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Old 11-08-2007, 01:07 AM
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ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- The Philadelphia Phillies became the first team to make a big move at the general managers' meetings, acquiring closer Brad Lidge from Houston along with infielder Eric Bruntlett on Wednesday night.

The Astros received speedy outfielder Michael Bourn, right-hander Geoff Geary and minor league third baseman Mike Costanzo.

The 30-year-old Lidge was 5-3 with 19 saves in 27 chances for the Astros last year after converting 32 of 38 opportunities in 2006. He lost his closer's job to Dan Wheeler one week into the 2007 season but regained the role in mid-June.

"We're getting one of the premier closers in the game," Phillies assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said. "The marketplace, as we all know, is a little scare out there as far as pitching. We felt this one of the best ways for us to really improve."

Lidge held batters to a .218 average and averaged 11.8 strikeouts per nine innings. He was sidelined from mid-June to mid-July because of a pulled oblique muscle in his left side and had surgery after the season to repair torn cartilage in his right knee.

"Obviously, he got some struggles over the course of the year," new Astros general manager Ed Wade said.

Philadelphia intends to move Brett Myers, who had been the Phillies' closer, back into the starting rotation. Amaro called him his No. 2 starter behind Cole Hamels or possibly even a 1A.

"He was pretty excited about being on the mound when we clinched the division in the last game of the season and certainly did a fine job in that role," Amaro said. "He probably could thrive in that role certainly, but we felt like our best opportunity to improve our rotation was to get him back in there."

Wade has a deep knowledge of the Phillies, having been their general manager for eight years until he was fired after the 2005 season. Amaro also interviewed to become the Astros' GM. The pair started talking last week, and the deal fell into place about lunchtime Wednesday.

Bourn, a left-handed hitter, batted .277 as a rookie this year with one homer, six RBIs and 18 steals, seeing limited time as a defensive replacement in an outfield that included Pat Burrell, Aaron Rowand and Shane Victorino. Hunter Pence will move to right for Houston.

"We receive a speed center fielder, a top of the order bat, who we think has the ability to be a catalyst for our club for a long time and hopefully set the stage for Hunter Pence and [Lance] Berkman and Carlos Lee to drive him in," Wade said, remembering when Bourn won a race among prospects at the instructional league after the 2004 season. "He's an outstanding athlete."

Houston doesn't necessarily intend to move setup man Chad Qualls into the closer role. Qualls had five saves last season.

"Qualls has done a quality job for us over the last couple of season," Wade said. "The numbers that he's put up in the role that he's been in have been outstanding, but whether or not he ends up being the answer on the back end remains to be seen."

Bruntlett hit .246 with 14 RBIs last season, seeing time at shortstop, third base and the outfield.

Geary was 3-2 with a 4.41 ERA with the Phillies. Costano, 24, batted .270 with 27 homers and 86 RBIs at Double-A Reading.

"Geary gives us a middle relief arm, a sinker-slider guy," Wade said.
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Good move for the Stros...was a year too late though cause he had more value back then.
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Lidge is horrible.
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he came around this season...he wasn't as dominant as before. that pujols HR really got to him. but he still came around.

good luck to him.
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Originally Posted by chinoz
Lidge is horrible.
Have you seen the Phillies bullpen? This move allows them to move Myers back into the rotation and put a solid closer into his role. That one-two punch of Hamels-Meyers will be dangerous in the post-season.

Plus if Gordon can return to 2006 form, the 8th and 9th innings should be well taken care of.
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
Have you seen the Phillies bullpen? This move allows them to move Myers back into the rotation and put a solid closer into his role. That one-two punch of Hamels-Meyers will be dangerous in the post-season.

Plus if Gordon can return to 2006 form, the 8th and 9th innings should be well taken care of.
still doesn't take away from the fact that Lidge is horrible and will blow a ton of saves.
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Originally Posted by chinoz
still doesn't take away from the fact that Lidge is horrible and will blow a ton of saves.
I think getting out of Houston will do him some good.
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Originally Posted by chinoz
still doesn't take away from the fact that Lidge is horrible and will blow a ton of saves.
I still don't think he's recovered from the Byung-Hyun Kiming he got in the 2005 postseason.
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Originally Posted by chinoz
still doesn't take away from the fact that Lidge is horrible and will blow a ton of saves.
Define horrible. we are talking about a guy here who probably has two of the nastiest pitches in the majors with his fastball and slider. He is a headcase and that's the only thing keeping him from being elite.

He had 19 saves last year, most of them in August and September. Stretch that out to a full season on a winning team in the form of the Phillies and he can easily be a plus 40 saves guy. I'll take that horrible player.
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Let's go Braves!
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Originally Posted by Evader
Let's go Braves!
Booo

Things are not looking good for the old Bravos
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if glavine does indeed resign with atlanta, they will surely be the good old braves.
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I think the Phils will be competitive again, but they better fix their rotation after Hamels and Brett "wife beater" Myers.

Myers isn't even a solid #2 anyways, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
I think the Phils will be competitive again, but they better fix their rotation after Hamels and Brett "wife beater" Myers.

Myers isn't even a solid #2 anyways, IMO.
Don't forget Feddy Garcia

Why am I defending them?
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
Define horrible. we are talking about a guy here who probably has two of the nastiest pitches in the majors with his fastball and slider. He is a headcase and that's the only thing keeping him from being elite.

He had 19 saves last year, most of them in August and September. Stretch that out to a full season on a winning team in the form of the Phillies and he can easily be a plus 40 saves guy. I'll take that horrible player.

His slider has been awful the past few years.. that and his tendency to over use the pitch has gotten him into trouble a lot.

His big game ability is down the drain... I wouldn't trust this guy to get me a save in the playoffs.
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the phillies lost alot of speed when they traded Bourn...lets hope they dont trade Victorino too.
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Originally Posted by chinoz
His slider has been awful the past few years.. that and his tendency to over use the pitch has gotten him into trouble a lot.

His big game ability is down the drain... I wouldn't trust this guy to get me a save in the playoffs.
Every expert is regarding this as a good move for the Phillies
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
Every expert is regarding this as a good move for the Phillies
and experts are always right...

Obviously the Phillies agree with you, so we'll wait and see if pre 2005 Lidge shows up.
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Originally Posted by chinoz
and experts are always right...

Obviously the Phillies agree with you, so we'll wait and see if pre 2005 Lidge shows up.
Do you ever give in?

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