College Football: Penn State Scandal
11-10-2011, 12:28 PM
#41
The sizzle in the Steak
Like I said before....tip of the iceberg....tip of the iceberg.
11-10-2011, 12:30 PM
#42
The sizzle in the Steak
When something this heavy is told to you, one does not just "report" it to the guy above you...and then do nothing more.
BraveDemon hit the nail on the head.
I can't imagine anyone doing only the bare minimum that Joe did and nothing more. That is beyond disturbing.
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11-10-2011, 12:30 PM
#43
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This is FUBAR'd. My question is - What exactly happened when the guy who originally reported this to Paterno witnessed this?! Did he see it and just run away in horror to tell Paterno? He was there, watching a boy being molested in the shower, and didn't try to STOP it?!?
11-10-2011, 12:30 PM
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11-10-2011, 12:32 PM
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I still think he should have called law enforcement, just saying...
11-10-2011, 12:32 PM
#46
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Doesn't matter if he saw it first hand or not...the point is that he knew.
When something this heavy is told to you, one does not just "report" it to the guy above you...and then do nothing more.
BraveDemon hit the nail on the head.
I can't imagine anyone doing only the bare minimum that Joe did and nothing more. That is beyond disturbing.
When something this heavy is told to you, one does not just "report" it to the guy above you...and then do nothing more.
BraveDemon hit the nail on the head.
I can't imagine anyone doing only the bare minimum that Joe did and nothing more. That is beyond disturbing.
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
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^ heard about that DA story on espn radio this morning. Creepy, but just a conspiracy theory at this point.
Also listened to alot of angry Penn State callers/emailers saying the firing of JoePa was uncalled for, and from what I gathered, what alot of people don't seem to realize is the gravity of the crime that JoePa allowed to be perpetrated.
I mean, if you saw a friend and co-worker sodomizing a child, would you just stop at telling your supervisors?
I wouldn't - I'd call the cops and try to restrain myself from beating the sick bastard.
Also listened to alot of angry Penn State callers/emailers saying the firing of JoePa was uncalled for, and from what I gathered, what alot of people don't seem to realize is the gravity of the crime that JoePa allowed to be perpetrated.
I mean, if you saw a friend and co-worker sodomizing a child, would you just stop at telling your supervisors?
I wouldn't - I'd call the cops and try to restrain myself from beating the sick bastard.
Are they dumb? I thought Penn State was known as a public ivy school. Seemed like some of these students don't know how to read and think normally.
11-10-2011, 12:40 PM
#48
This is FUBAR'd. My question is - What exactly happened when the guy who originally reported this to Paterno witnessed this?! Did he see it and just run away in horror to tell Paterno? He was there, watching a boy being molested in the shower, and didn't try to STOP it?!?
11-10-2011, 12:40 PM
#49
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A source told ESPN's Joe Schad that Paterno recalls McQueary "vaguely" referencing "fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around" by Sandusky and a youth. But Paterno never had the understanding that McQueary had witnessed a "sodomy" or "rape."
11-10-2011, 12:42 PM
#50
The sizzle in the Steak
Frankly, I think he was damned either way, either he went through the chain of command, and was damned for not doing enough, or he went over the chain of command and called law enforcement and then would have been the bad guy for disobeying the chain of command
I still think he should have called law enforcement, just saying...
I still think he should have called law enforcement, just saying...
How is anyone a bad guy for reporting alleged child rape?
11-10-2011, 12:44 PM
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11-10-2011, 12:46 PM
#52
Then there's this..... oh the ironing: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_16...alled-touched/
Jerry Sandusky wrote a book called "Touched"
CBS - Years before Jerry Sandusky was indicted on charges of sexually abusing boys, the former Penn State football coach wrote a book about his life. Over a period of ten years, beginning in 1991, Sandusky worked with former equipment manager and Penn State journalism student Kip Richeal to record what Sandusky called a "unique" life. What they eventually produced, in 2000, was the book "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story."
In the introduction of the book, Richeal, who was born with hip dysplasia and is disabled, describes an "odd" question posed by Sandusky when they first met:
My first real contact with Jerry Sandusky came from a rather odd question he posed to me: "How much do you weigh, young man?" I was puzzled, because I knew he wasn't interested in me as a linebacker, but I told him I weighed about 95 pounds. "Get up on that scale," he ordered. I did and the locker room scale topped out at 96. "Not bad," Jerry said, trying to sound as mean as possible, "but you still have some work to do." Sensing my confusion, Jerry stared at me and continued. "We gotta get you up to 100 pounds before you're ready to fight me." Fight him? I barely knew him. "When you get to 100 pounds, it's gonna be you and me in the center of the locker room in a boxing match. Then I'll show you who the real boss is. It'll be you and me eyeball-to-belly button."
In an interview with Deadspin.com, Richeal explains that he had no cause for concern during their meeting.
"Now, you know, I'd be kind of uncomfortable," Richeal said. "But I had no reason to be then. It was just a running gag because I weighed under 100 pounds. He'd say, you know, 'We gotta put some meat on those bones.'"
"I want to believe it's not true," Richeal said of the allegations against his friend. "The person I knew, I never ever saw anything like that."
Sandusky dedicated "Touched" to "all the people who have touched my life." As for his own life, Sandusky started the second chapter of the book with this:
I had always professed that someday I would reap the benefits of maturity, but my lifestyle just wouldn't let me. There were so many things I had done in my life - so many of them crazy and outlandish. But I have always had fun, and one this is for certain: My time on this earth has always been unique. At the times when I found myself searching for maturity, I usually came up with insanity. That's the way it is in the life of Gerald Arthur Sandusky.
Jerry Sandusky wrote a book called "Touched"
CBS - Years before Jerry Sandusky was indicted on charges of sexually abusing boys, the former Penn State football coach wrote a book about his life. Over a period of ten years, beginning in 1991, Sandusky worked with former equipment manager and Penn State journalism student Kip Richeal to record what Sandusky called a "unique" life. What they eventually produced, in 2000, was the book "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story."
In the introduction of the book, Richeal, who was born with hip dysplasia and is disabled, describes an "odd" question posed by Sandusky when they first met:
My first real contact with Jerry Sandusky came from a rather odd question he posed to me: "How much do you weigh, young man?" I was puzzled, because I knew he wasn't interested in me as a linebacker, but I told him I weighed about 95 pounds. "Get up on that scale," he ordered. I did and the locker room scale topped out at 96. "Not bad," Jerry said, trying to sound as mean as possible, "but you still have some work to do." Sensing my confusion, Jerry stared at me and continued. "We gotta get you up to 100 pounds before you're ready to fight me." Fight him? I barely knew him. "When you get to 100 pounds, it's gonna be you and me in the center of the locker room in a boxing match. Then I'll show you who the real boss is. It'll be you and me eyeball-to-belly button."
In an interview with Deadspin.com, Richeal explains that he had no cause for concern during their meeting.
"Now, you know, I'd be kind of uncomfortable," Richeal said. "But I had no reason to be then. It was just a running gag because I weighed under 100 pounds. He'd say, you know, 'We gotta put some meat on those bones.'"
"I want to believe it's not true," Richeal said of the allegations against his friend. "The person I knew, I never ever saw anything like that."
Sandusky dedicated "Touched" to "all the people who have touched my life." As for his own life, Sandusky started the second chapter of the book with this:
I had always professed that someday I would reap the benefits of maturity, but my lifestyle just wouldn't let me. There were so many things I had done in my life - so many of them crazy and outlandish. But I have always had fun, and one this is for certain: My time on this earth has always been unique. At the times when I found myself searching for maturity, I usually came up with insanity. That's the way it is in the life of Gerald Arthur Sandusky.
11-10-2011, 12:47 PM
#54
The sizzle in the Steak
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
11-10-2011, 12:48 PM
#55
The sizzle in the Steak
If that's what Joe really thought, he would have came out and said that, but nope....he said in hindsight he wished he had done more....because he knew.
11-10-2011, 12:51 PM
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10 years old boy
JERRY SANFUCKSKY
Shower
"fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around"
What more do you need?
JERRY SANFUCKSKY
Shower
"fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around"
What more do you need?
11-10-2011, 12:52 PM
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I wouldn't put too much of this on the students.
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
11-10-2011, 12:53 PM
#58
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Look at what junior posted. It's not as if what he was doing was public knowledge.
11-10-2011, 12:53 PM
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If Joe really understood it as just something like "horsing around", why would he even report it to his "superior" anyway?
He knew.
He knew.
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11-10-2011, 12:56 PM
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I want to make my point clear again too. Joe Pa had been fired and accused more than the other obvious enablers first because he is Joe Pa. I'm not accusing him only. It's just how people react. All the others who are related on this case will be properly charged. No doubt.
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
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I don't understand how people can stand up for people like this.
It's like the same people who couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that their priest molested and raped little boys.
Sure you love the Church, but you have to separate that from the evil sick people that raped the kids.
Same for Penn State....sure you love the school, but you cannot stand up for child rapists and those who protected them.
It's like the same people who couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that their priest molested and raped little boys.
Sure you love the Church, but you have to separate that from the evil sick people that raped the kids.
Same for Penn State....sure you love the school, but you cannot stand up for child rapists and those who protected them.
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
#63
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I wouldn't put too much of this on the students.
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
People supporting Joe are supporting his legacy. To not support the man they have supported for so long is confusing to them. It does not compute. If this were a 10-year coach of the Colorado Buffaloes, most of the people supporting him now would be glad he was fired. But since he's THEIR legendary coach, they are confused and support him. Once the denial wears off, one day they will come to realize (if they ever think about it objectively) that this was the right thing.
As a Penn State alum, I will always have a tremendous amount of respect for Paterno and all he's done for others, but I do believe this was the right decision by the board to terminate Joe. As an institution and business above everything else, they simply cannot show the public that PSU athletics are more important than the numerous lives which have been damaged in light of this case. Letting Joe finish out the season would send the wrong message and further damage the University's reputation.
I was shocked, saddened and angry last night, but the more I've thought about it, the more I realize the correct course of action was taken.
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
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I don't think they realize the damage that was done by these guys.
11-10-2011, 01:16 PM
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My wife feels the same along with many other alum that we know. He dissapointed many people.[QUOTE=jas5lf;13355595As a Penn State alum, I will always have a tremendous amount of respect for Paterno and all he's done for others, but I do believe this was the right decision by the board to terminate Joe. As an institution and business above everything else, they simply cannot show the public that PSU athletics are more important than the numerous lives which have been damaged in light of this case. Letting Joe finish out the season would send the wrong message and further damage the University's reputation.
I was shocked, saddened and angry last night, but the more I've thought about it, the more I realize the correct course of action was taken.[/QUOTE]
11-10-2011, 01:17 PM
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I wouldn't put too much of this on the students.
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
Sure we would like them to understand the gravity of this, but they clearly do not at this point.
It's pretty heavy, their "god" has just been taken down, the entire institution that they thought was infallible has been shown to be just the opposite.
A bit hard to grasp for some of them...over time they will see and understand how sick and twisted this whole thing really is.
11-10-2011, 01:28 PM
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Did you forget that this wasn't the first allegation (2002)? That there had been an investigation in 1998 followed by Sandusky's "sudden" retirement in 1999 at the age of 55? Smoke----->Fire
11-10-2011, 01:29 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
In response to McQueary will coach on Saturday
^^ Yea that's disturbing to say the least.
^^ Yea that's disturbing to say the least.
11-10-2011, 01:35 PM
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Was there a 1998 investigation? Yes/No
Did Paterno know about the 1998 investigation? Yes/No
Did Paterno know that the the only reaction the school had to the 2002 incident was to "ban" Sandusky from bringing little boys on campus? Yes/No
11-10-2011, 01:44 PM
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Frankly, I think he was damned either way, either he went through the chain of command, and was damned for not doing enough, or he went over the chain of command and called law enforcement and then would have been the bad guy for disobeying the chain of command
I still think he should have called law enforcement, just saying...
I still think he should have called law enforcement, just saying...
If I were fired for breaking a chain of command to stop an act like this, I would go to bed with my head held high. F- whoever fired me. Just sayin'.
Doesn't matter if he saw it first hand or not...the point is that he knew.
When something this heavy is told to you, one does not just "report" it to the guy above you...and then do nothing more.
I can't imagine anyone doing only the bare minimum that Joe did and nothing more. That is beyond disturbing.
When something this heavy is told to you, one does not just "report" it to the guy above you...and then do nothing more.
I can't imagine anyone doing only the bare minimum that Joe did and nothing more. That is beyond disturbing.
11-10-2011, 02:22 PM
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11-10-2011, 02:31 PM
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11-10-2011, 02:34 PM
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"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.
"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"
Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.
"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sa...rk-madden.html
After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.
"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"
Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.
"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sa...rk-madden.html
11-10-2011, 02:36 PM
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No Presidential Medal of Freedom for Joe
U.S. Senators Bob Casey (D-Pa.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) announced today that they are rescinding their support for the nomination of former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom. They issued the following statement:
“In light of the recent events in State College, we are rescinding our support for the nomination of Joe Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom. We hope the proper authorities will move forward with their investigation without delay. Penn State is an important institution in our commonwealth. We should turn our attention to the victims of these atrocious crimes and ensure they get the help they need. Our hearts and prayers go out to them and their families.”
http://www.whptv.com/content/Sandusk...qRo5VD9iA.cspx
U.S. Senators Bob Casey (D-Pa.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) announced today that they are rescinding their support for the nomination of former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom. They issued the following statement:
“In light of the recent events in State College, we are rescinding our support for the nomination of Joe Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom. We hope the proper authorities will move forward with their investigation without delay. Penn State is an important institution in our commonwealth. We should turn our attention to the victims of these atrocious crimes and ensure they get the help they need. Our hearts and prayers go out to them and their families.”
http://www.whptv.com/content/Sandusk...qRo5VD9iA.cspx
11-10-2011, 05:37 PM
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I won't be shocked if we find out down the road as the investigation goes further that Joe perjured himself in his grand jury testimony.
I think they all knew a lot, and they all covered it up.
I think they all knew a lot, and they all covered it up.