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Old 02-05-2014, 10:36 AM   #1361
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93-mph speed, old tires blamed in Paul Walker crash



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The high-performance Porsche that "Fast & Furious" actor Paul Walker was riding in was traveling up to 93 mph when it crashed and burst into flames, killing him and the driver, an L.A. County Sheriff's investigation found.
The rate of speed was determined using surveillance videos and electronic data retrieved from the car’s computers with the help of the carmaker. That would mean that the 2005 Porsche Carrera GT, driven by Walker's friend, Roger Rodas, was traveling about twice the 45 mph limit when it crashed Nov. 30 on a curvy road in a Santa Clarita business park.
[Updated at 2:55 p.m. PDT March 25: “Investigators determined the cause of the fatal solo-vehicle collision was unsafe speed for the roadway conditions,” said Cmdr. Mike Parker of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.]
Investigators also determined that a pair of 9-year-old tires contributed to the crash, not a mechanical failure. There was no evidence of any car system failures, such as the brakes, according to the report.
Rodas was a veteran race car driver, but the speed into a tight curve proved too much, investigators with the sheriff's department and California Highway Patrol found.
An earlier L.A. County coroner’s report had pegged the speed as being more than 100 mph, but the traffic analysis in the recent report determined it was a bit slower.
Walker and Rodas were killed almost instantly, succumbing to multiple traumatic injuries and a fire that quickly consumed the car.
Walker died of "severe blunt head, neck and chest trauma," sustaining a broken arm, wrist, jaw and ribs, according to the coroner's report. The fire burned his body beyond recognition.
Rodas suffered similar injuries and a fractured skull.
Investigators spent months examining the videos, interviewing potential witnesses and working with experts from Porsche in Germany and tire manufacturer Michelin to determine the cause of the deadly crash.
After reviewing numerous security videos from cameras around the business park, investigators found no evidence that the pair was racing against any other vehicle, according to the report. The four-lane road is part of a business park loop in Rye Canyon near a car company that was owned by Rodas and Walker.
Skid marks and video revealed that the car spun out of control and hit the sidewalk, sending it smashing into a tree and a light post with tremendous force.
Rodas' and Walker's bodies were found braced for impact in a "pugilistic" stance, the report said.
Since the 2001 debut of “The Fast and the Furious,” Walker had become the face of the Southern California car culture. While the movie became a billion-dollar movie franchise, Walker kept his street credibility by driving a Nissan Skyline GT-R, appearing at real tuner events and investing in a super-car business.
The 2005 Porsche Carrera GT has a history of being difficult to control. The sports car is capable of reaching 100 mph in less than seven seconds. But it was built without the stability management system with which most Porsche models are equipped. That data the carmaker helped to retrieve allowed investigators to determine RPMs and throttle airbag deployment at the time of the crash.



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93 mph...UNPOSSIBLE!!!!!

45 mph

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That's just irresponsible. It would be dumb on a 90 hp Hyundai, it's completely inexcusable on 600+ hp performance car.
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That's just irresponsible. It would be dumb on a 90 hp Hyundai, it's completely inexcusable on 600+ hp performance car.
Which is making my better judgement and bullshit nerve act up right now.
I dont see either men running 9 year old wheels on ANY of their cars let alone something pushing that power.
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I believe the issue of the tires was mentioned way back when.
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Which is making my better judgement and bullshit nerve act up right now.
I dont see either men running 9 year old wheels on ANY of their cars let alone something pushing that power.
remember, they werent supposed to take it out that day.
the story goes; a tech was having trouble clutching in the car, Rodas being the Sarlacc he is, took over.

well that's what I remember reading anyway.
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remember, they werent supposed to take it out that day.
the story goes; a tech was having trouble clutching in the car, Rodas being the Sarlacc he is, took over.

well that's what I remember reading anyway.
A tech was having issue getting the car in reverse...Rodas took over...Walker said, hey I haven't ridden in it yet.
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remember, they werent supposed to take it out that day.
the story goes; a tech was having trouble clutching in the car, Rodas being the Sarlacc he is, took over.

well that's what I remember reading anyway.
Considering the car still had its original equipment tires on it, they shouldn't have planned to take it out since George W Bush was president.
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So hweird on a 9 year old car.
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93 mph...UNPOSSIBLE!!!!!

45 mph

Clearly a cover-up!!!
It wasn't the insane speeds most of you claimed which were well into the triple digits.

So we're back to the speed the car was going before the wreck vs the impact speed. Any idea how quickly the car will decelerate from 93mph to 45mph?

It would take that car about 2.4 seconds to decelerate from 93mph to 45mph. Unless they decided life wasn't worth living anymore and drove straight into the tree without any deceleration, the impact speed was not 93mph. What's so hard to understand?

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Investigators calculated that Rodas was driving between 81 mph and 94 mph when his 2005 Porsche Carrera GT began to drift after coming out of a curve.


81-94mph when it BEGAN to drift.

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The Porsche carrying "Fast & Furious" star Paul Walker was traveling about 90 mph when it went out of control on a suburban street

It went out of control while doing 90mph. Nowhere does it say the impact speed was 90mph.

When you lose control of a car and it spins, what happens? It slows down quickly, almost as quickly as a full panic stop. So whether it was spinning or whether they were able to hit the brakes, it's not possible for the car to have a 90mph impact speed if it was doing 90mph when it went out of control.
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Investigators calculated that Rodas was driving between 81 mph and 94 mph when his 2005 Porsche Carrera GT began to drift after coming out of a curve.


81-94mph when it BEGAN to drift.

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The Porsche carrying "Fast & Furious" star Paul Walker was traveling about 90 mph when it went out of control on a suburban street

It went out of control while doing 90mph. Nowhere does it say the impact speed was 90mph.
It only says that's how fast they were going if you read quotes from the actual LA Sheriffs instead of a news reporters paraphrasing...

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"Investigators determined the cause of the fatal solo-vehicle collision was unsafe speed for the roadway conditions," Los Angeles County Sheriff's Commander Mike Parker said Tuesday.

The high-performance 2005 Porsche Carrera GT was going "between 80 and 93 mph at the time the car impacted a power pole and several trees," the final report said. The posted speed limit on the Santa Clarita, California, office park road was 45 mph.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/25/showbi...r-crash-probe/

FWIW, if they mean "drift" in the car enthusiast sense and Rodas knew what he was doing (which I think we can assume he did) I doubt he would slam on the brakes. Slamming on the brakes when the back end comes loose in a Porsche with no stability programs and an engine sitting behind you typically leads to complete loss of control. If you want to regain traction on the back wheels you hit the gas to force the rear end down. Hitting the brakes just lightens the rear end up and you spin faster.
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There was ~20 ft of rubber laid by the CGT going into the light pole / curb. They hit the brakes. The tire marks are straight btw.
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There was ~20 ft of rubber laid by the CGT going into the light pole / curb. They hit the brakes. The tire marks are straight btw.
So he straightened it out with throttle, hit the brakes, and crashed into a tree going between 80 and 93 mph.

Quite a bit higher than 45, not quite as high as my scientific estimate of 525 mph
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525 mph, brakes 20 ft = 93 mph impact.. now that would be credible.
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It only says that's how fast they were going if you read quotes from the actual LA Sheriffs instead of a news reporters paraphrasing...



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FWIW, if they mean "drift" in the car enthusiast sense and Rodas knew what he was doing (which I think we can assume he did) I doubt he would slam on the brakes. Slamming on the brakes when the back end comes loose in a Porsche with no stability programs and an engine sitting behind you typically leads to complete loss of control. If you want to regain traction on the back wheels you hit the gas to force the rear end down. Hitting the brakes just lightens the rear end up and you spin faster.
If they say impact speed was 90+ I'm fine with that and I'll admit I was wrong. I don't know why they just can't say either the trouble started at 90mph or the car hit the tree at 90mph. The ECU will definitely show the mph when the airbags deployed although that could be skewed if the tires were spinning or locked. They all show mph at airbag deployment. Maybe it had an artificially low mph due to the drift and that's why they're looking at cameras.

You don't hit the brakes in a drift because the tires only have so much traction and splitting it between cornering and braking will upset the cornering. However, depending on the cars setup, it can cause the rear to kick out more or it can introduce under steer.

Hitting the throttle in a drift keeps the tires from locking and more closely matches road speed assuming you don't over do it and this is why it helps regain traction. Weight transfer has very little to do with it not that any of this matters, I'm just rambling on as I always do.
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So it would seem. 35 pages and we're still talking about how fast a Porche needs to be traveling to kill everyone inside when it crashes.

The data behind the tires is is interesting - its strange that someone would own a car like that (and be very knowledgeable about driving fast) and miss the part that driving fast on 9-year old tires is a bad thing....
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Wasn't this car very new to them?

Having 9 year old tires may make sense if the previous owner treated it as a garage queen and barely drove it.

You would think that they would have checked out something like that before driving the car aggressively. Then again, maybe they just assumed it was fine or didn't even think to check the tires age.
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Wasn't this car very new to them?

Having 9 year old tires may make sense if the previous owner treated it as a garage queen and barely drove it.

You would think that they would have checked out something like that before driving the car aggressively. Then again, maybe they just assumed it was fine or didn't even think to check the tires age.
the thing is, the car wasnt supposed to be taken out that day.
on a whim, the two fellas got in and took a ride around the corner, which proved to be deadly.

we take for granted our passenger cars and the technology to just get in and drive.
How many of us perform a check of ALL equipment before we get up and go in the morning?

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You can safely corner at 9 / 5 * 45 mph = 81 mph

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Actually, it's reported that they will have a CG-version of Walker in Part 7.


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