I'm stumped... Room no power, all breakers are fine... - AcuraZine Community
AcuraZine Acura Forums Home Acura CL Forums Acura ILX Forums Acura MDX Forums Acura NSX Forums Acura RDX ForumsAcura RL ForumsAcura RSX ForumsAcura TL ForumsAcura TSX ForumsAcuraZine ZDX DiscussionAcuraZine Regional DiscussionAcuraZine Off Topic Discussion

Go Back   AcuraZine Community > Off Topic Discussion > Ramblings > Home & Garden
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Register Albums FAQ Members Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark All Read ExperienceUsed CarsVendor DirectoryGarage
Search
Welcome to AcuraZine Community

Reply
 
 
 
submit to reddit
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-24-2011, 8:38 PM   #1
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
I'm stumped... Room no power, all breakers are fine...

need help before i have to start tearing into the sheet rock...

my niece was in her room, space heater in one outlet, and using the hair dryer in the other outlet... pop the power goes out in that room... go downstairs and check the breaker box... none look tripped...

ok so i manually shut off every switch to the house completely off and on to make sure i reset the breaker... still no power to the outlets in her room...

i take off the panel on the box to see if any of the CB switches are melted or a wire came loose... tested for power and all showed a good ~120V out of the switch...

i checked at the outlets in her room and it is only registering ~5V... there are no GFCI's upstream on that line that would have tripped on the line after the CB... any suggestions before i have to start tearing into my drywall to trace down the line???

should i try swapping out the outlets???
This ad is not displayed to registered or logged-in members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Acurazine!

Last edited by KaMLuNg; 01-24-2011 at 8:41 PM.
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2011, 10:26 PM   #2
Will Y.
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Age: 49
Posts: 12,641
Thanks: 27
Thanked 344 Times in 296 Posts
Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Activity: 12.8%
Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8%
Do the light switches in the room turn on the lights?
If yes, it may be the outlet.

If the light switches don't turn on the lights, then you may have blown a small breaker. Even though a breaker doesn't look like it tripped, if one feels loose on wiggling, it's probably bad and must be replaced.

I had this happen at my house a few months ago-- only one breaker was bad, so half of the outlets and light switches in corners of the house worked.
Will Y. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 9:35 AM   #3
main70072
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
main70072's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA
Age: 26
Posts: 1,405
Thanks: 39
Thanked 85 Times in 81 Posts
Points: 8,291, Level: 61
Points: 8,291, Level: 61 Points: 8,291, Level: 61 Points: 8,291, Level: 61
Activity: 1.4%
Activity: 1.4% Activity: 1.4% Activity: 1.4%
^ Agreed, try wiggling the CB and feel if any are loose. Be very careful to not touch any exposed wires. Try swapping out the outlets if that doesn't work.
__________________
-96 2.5TL-
-05 TL-
-08 TSX--->Sold
main70072 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 11:05 AM   #4
thunder04
Sweet!
2012 Volkswagen Jetta
My Garage
 
thunder04's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Tracy, CA
Age: 28
Posts: 3,807
Thanks: 46
Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts
Points: 14,487, Level: 78
Points: 14,487, Level: 78 Points: 14,487, Level: 78 Points: 14,487, Level: 78
Activity: 3.2%
Activity: 3.2% Activity: 3.2% Activity: 3.2%
It's possible the circuit breaker is bad.

Or, depending on how your house is wired, it could be a junction somewhere fried.

In my house, and my parents house, everything on a given circuit is connected in a chain. It's possible the first junction/chain fried killing everything after that point.

My parents had a loose neutral wire in their circuit breaker box that caused power issues in the garage. Nothing worked, but connecting an outlet tester indicated that there was a problem with the neutral wire. Pick up one of these and give it a try:

Click the image to open in full size.
__________________
'12 Candy White Jetta TDI Premium /w Nav
'09 Sage Green Ford Escape XLT V6 4WD
'04 Glacier Blue TSX AT /w Nav - Traded in at 187,261 miles

my flickr photostream

Last edited by thunder04; 01-25-2011 at 11:08 AM.
thunder04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 11:24 AM   #5
Ken1997TL
Senior Moderator
2013 Acura MDX
My Garage
 
Ken1997TL's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Portlandia, Oregon
Posts: 43,364
Thanks: 1,245
Thanked 1,469 Times in 878 Posts
ken1997tl
Points: 45,742, Level: 100
Points: 45,742, Level: 100 Points: 45,742, Level: 100 Points: 45,742, Level: 100
Activity: 77.2%
Activity: 77.2% Activity: 77.2% Activity: 77.2%
+1 on outlet tester

I had a breaker box go on me before, piece of junk.
__________________
Current rides:
2013 Honda Accord EX-L
2013 Acura MDX Tech
2006 Honda S2000

Past rides in no particular order:
2012 Honda CR-Z EX 6MT
2011 Acura TSX wagon (Tech)
2002 Acura 3.5 RL (navi)
1997 Acura 3.2 TL (premium)
1991 Honda Prelude Si
2005 Acura TL
2003 Acura TL
1988 Honda Accord LX
1996 Honda Civic
Ken1997TL is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 12:20 PM   #6
fsttyms1
Senior Moderator
2000 Acura TL
 
fsttyms1's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Appleton WI
Age: 39
Posts: 75,861
Thanks: 592
Thanked 1,920 Times in 1,402 Posts
fsttyms1
Points: 98,826, Level: 100
Points: 98,826, Level: 100 Points: 98,826, Level: 100 Points: 98,826, Level: 100
Activity: 99.5%
Activity: 99.5% Activity: 99.5% Activity: 99.5%
^ agree
fsttyms1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 2:15 PM   #7
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
is it coincidence that something like this would fail in an overload? if the line just went out for no reason then i woul be quick to blame a wire or something in the infrstructure failing... but because it was a line overload, i would be more prone to think it is a breaker...

but i will hit up home depot tonight to pick up a replacement circuit breaker... as i was inspecting one looked cracked so ill replace it anyway... while im at it ill pick up a outlet tester and report back...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 4:48 PM   #8
endo022
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
endo022's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Age: 39
Posts: 935
Thanks: 57
Thanked 30 Times in 16 Posts
Points: 8,230, Level: 61
Points: 8,230, Level: 61 Points: 8,230, Level: 61 Points: 8,230, Level: 61
Activity: 6.0%
Activity: 6.0% Activity: 6.0% Activity: 6.0%
Wow...talk about weird. I just had the same thing happen to me at my house too.

Room 1 and Room 2 are wired on one CB. Room 1 had a space heater plugged into one outlet and then one night...boom. Not working anymore...but just on that outlet. The rest of the outlets in Room 1 works...but there's absolutely no power in Room 2. Light switch doesn't work and no power to any of the outlets in Room 2.

I tripped the switch in the fuse box. Turned it off and as it should...both rooms 1 & 2 have no power. Turn the switch back on and only room 1 has power...all except for that one outlet which the space heater was plugged into. Room 2 still doesn't have any power.

Thoughts? Would that one dead outlet that the space heater was plugged into shorted the loop going to that outlet and to the 2nd room?
endo022 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 6:17 PM   #9
doopstr
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
doopstr's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Jersey
Age: 42
Posts: 18,844
Thanks: 120
Thanked 150 Times in 114 Posts
Points: 36,420, Level: 100
Points: 36,420, Level: 100 Points: 36,420, Level: 100 Points: 36,420, Level: 100
Activity: 26.9%
Activity: 26.9% Activity: 26.9% Activity: 26.9%

http://www.ask-the-electrician.com/w...tlet-problems/
Quote:
Question: My brothers 1920′s vintage colonial has several outlets that are not working . I checked the circuit breakers and none are tripped . I ‘m getting a reading on my tester of 40-50 volts and 120 between the metal box and the hot side of the receptacle . He says the problem occurred after he left a space heater on overnight. He also has no power in his garage which he says is an older problem
This electrical question came from: bob peck, a Contractor from Agawam, MA
Additional Comments: GREAT!
Dave’s Reply:
Thanks for your electrical question Bob.
Bob, many space heaters are a high consumers of electricity and can cause problems with electrical circuits, especially if the wiring is out dated. The outlet where the electric space heater was plugged into is most likely where the problem is. It is common to find a burnt neutral connection and damage to the electrical outlet. I strongly recommend having a qualified electrical contractor make the necessary repairs to the electrical wiring, and while the electrician is there you should ask for a quote to have the electrical wiring upgraded. Make sure to install smoke detectors and GFIi outlets where required.
doopstr is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 7:46 PM   #10
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
thanks for this... i will def have to look at the outlet more closely this weekend... i don't have time this week, esp with the snow coming... and my niece is fine with an extension for now...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 9:31 PM   #11
main70072
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
main70072's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA
Age: 26
Posts: 1,405
Thanks: 39
Thanked 85 Times in 81 Posts
Points: 8,291, Level: 61
Points: 8,291, Level: 61 Points: 8,291, Level: 61 Points: 8,291, Level: 61
Activity: 1.4%
Activity: 1.4% Activity: 1.4% Activity: 1.4%
Yeah, weird... what a coincidence; we just replaced our breaker box a couple weeks ago because the buss bar was bad. But for you, I would definitely replace that cracked breaker switch first and check out the outlets before digging into the drywall.
__________________
-96 2.5TL-
-05 TL-
-08 TSX--->Sold
main70072 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2011, 10:42 PM   #12
2001AudiS4
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
2001AudiS4's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Trumbull, CT
Age: 39
Posts: 5,693
Thanks: 3
Thanked 29 Times in 26 Posts
Points: 22,633, Level: 93
Points: 22,633, Level: 93 Points: 22,633, Level: 93 Points: 22,633, Level: 93
Activity: 0.9%
Activity: 0.9% Activity: 0.9% Activity: 0.9%
Quote:
Originally Posted by endo022 View Post
Wow...talk about weird. I just had the same thing happen to me at my house too.

Room 1 and Room 2 are wired on one CB. Room 1 had a space heater plugged into one outlet and then one night...boom. Not working anymore...but just on that outlet. The rest of the outlets in Room 1 works...but there's absolutely no power in Room 2. Light switch doesn't work and no power to any of the outlets in Room 2.

I tripped the switch in the fuse box. Turned it off and as it should...both rooms 1 & 2 have no power. Turn the switch back on and only room 1 has power...all except for that one outlet which the space heater was plugged into. Room 2 still doesn't have any power.

Thoughts? Would that one dead outlet that the space heater was plugged into shorted the loop going to that outlet and to the 2nd room?
I had an outlet the stop working a while back. I finally pulled the outlet out about month or so ago to check things out. The hot wire actually broke inside the box. A lot of the wiring in the house is really old. I think when changing everything over to decora style, and pushing the wires back in the box, it probably put a little bit too hard of a bend and it snapped. It didn't happen right away, but about a year and a half after I switch the outlets out. Not saying this is what happened to you, but if everything is daisy chained from one outlet to the next on that circuit, then everything after that outlet would not have any power if something similar happened.
__________________
Male Nibblonian: Enough! Fry, it is my duty to inform you that the fate of humanity, the fate of our race, indeed the fate of all that exists and all that will exist rests with you. You are the single most important person in the universe.

Fry: Oh snap!
2001AudiS4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 12:27 AM   #13
csmeance
Senior Moderator
2006 BMW 7-Series
My Garage
 
csmeance's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Daytona Beach/Gainesville FL
Posts: 15,712
Thanks: 40
Thanked 404 Times in 243 Posts
I facetube, I think! Is it twitting? Twittering? Darn it! Linked-Out csmeance :idontlikemyinfostolen:
Points: 42,036, Level: 100
Points: 42,036, Level: 100 Points: 42,036, Level: 100 Points: 42,036, Level: 100
Activity: 1.3%
Activity: 1.3% Activity: 1.3% Activity: 1.3%
Quote:
Originally Posted by endo022 View Post
Wow...talk about weird. I just had the same thing happen to me at my house too.

Room 1 and Room 2 are wired on one CB. Room 1 had a space heater plugged into one outlet and then one night...boom. Not working anymore...but just on that outlet. The rest of the outlets in Room 1 works...but there's absolutely no power in Room 2. Light switch doesn't work and no power to any of the outlets in Room 2.

I tripped the switch in the fuse box. Turned it off and as it should...both rooms 1 & 2 have no power. Turn the switch back on and only room 1 has power...all except for that one outlet which the space heater was plugged into. Room 2 still doesn't have any power.

Thoughts? Would that one dead outlet that the space heater was plugged into shorted the loop going to that outlet and to the 2nd room?
This happened EXACTLY like this in a friends house while I was over. It was built in 2007 and his wife had plugged in a vaccum into a wall outlet when all the power went off in Room 2. Room 1 on the same breaker still had power!

He called in an electrician and he opened up the light switches and took a look at the wires. He mentioned something about a neutral drop and then shorted a wire tripping the fuse this time. Friend went downstairs to turn back on the fuse while I was in Room 2 with the electrician. Bam! Power's working again!

Essentially my buddy paid 100 dollars to have someone come and "short" out the wires to reset the breaker. Just sharing my experience! If you do anything like I said, I take no responsibility for anything including jump starting yourself or your house!
__________________
2010 Honda Accord EX - Basque Red/Ivory
lOE Fog Lightsl

2006 BMW 760Li - Alpine White/Ebony-Ivory Two Tone
lMud-Guardsl426WHP/430WTQ V12l

2007 MDX Sport/Ent.- NGM/Taupe
lRB Slotted RotorslRoof RailslFront & Rear GarnishlAuto Mirrorl

2004 TL NAVI Auto - SSM/Quartz
lComptech SwaybarlHacked NavlTVNAV2GolUSA-SPEClDVD PlayerlSwitchblade KeylRB Slotted RotorslA-Spec Brakesl
csmeance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 7:03 AM   #14
svtmike
Takes compliments well.
Garage is empty, add now
 
svtmike's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Chicago
Age: 50
Posts: 28,726
Thanks: 102
Thanked 348 Times in 212 Posts
Points: 19,931, Level: 89
Points: 19,931, Level: 89 Points: 19,931, Level: 89 Points: 19,931, Level: 89
Activity: 39.3%
Activity: 39.3% Activity: 39.3% Activity: 39.3%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
thanks for this... i will def have to look at the outlet more closely this weekend... i don't have time this week, esp with the snow coming... and my niece is fine with an extension for now...
You're not running that space heater off the extension cord are you?
svtmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 8:43 AM   #15
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
Quote:
Originally Posted by svtmike View Post
You're not running that space heater off the extension cord are you?
hell no...

just a lamp so she has some light in her room...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 8:52 AM   #16
svtmike
Takes compliments well.
Garage is empty, add now
 
svtmike's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Chicago
Age: 50
Posts: 28,726
Thanks: 102
Thanked 348 Times in 212 Posts
Points: 19,931, Level: 89
Points: 19,931, Level: 89 Points: 19,931, Level: 89 Points: 19,931, Level: 89
Activity: 39.3%
Activity: 39.3% Activity: 39.3% Activity: 39.3%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
hell no...

just a lamp so she has some light in her room...
svtmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 10:08 AM   #17
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
my god these older Federal Pacific type breaker switches are expensive... $40!!! wow!!!
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 11:47 AM   #18
Will Y.
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Age: 49
Posts: 12,641
Thanks: 27
Thanked 344 Times in 296 Posts
Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Activity: 12.8%
Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
my god these older Federal Pacific type breaker switches are expensive... $40!!! wow!!!
Count yourself lucky. Our panel started with Zinsco breakers; a replacement 20A made by Connecticut Electric cost $65 at Home Depot.

Fortunately, these things don't usually go bad.
Will Y. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 12:09 PM   #19
endo022
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
endo022's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Age: 39
Posts: 935
Thanks: 57
Thanked 30 Times in 16 Posts
Points: 8,230, Level: 61
Points: 8,230, Level: 61 Points: 8,230, Level: 61 Points: 8,230, Level: 61
Activity: 6.0%
Activity: 6.0% Activity: 6.0% Activity: 6.0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by csmeance View Post
This happened EXACTLY like this in a friends house while I was over. It was built in 2007 and his wife had plugged in a vaccum into a wall outlet when all the power went off in Room 2. Room 1 on the same breaker still had power!

He called in an electrician and he opened up the light switches and took a look at the wires. He mentioned something about a neutral drop and then shorted a wire tripping the fuse this time. Friend went downstairs to turn back on the fuse while I was in Room 2 with the electrician. Bam! Power's working again!

Essentially my buddy paid 100 dollars to have someone come and "short" out the wires to reset the breaker. Just sharing my experience! If you do anything like I said, I take no responsibility for anything including jump starting yourself or your house!

Thanks! I'll take a look at it.

Sorry for the hijack KaMLuNg
endo022 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2011, 12:16 PM   #20
Scottman111
Fight Fire With Fire
Garage is empty, add now
 
Scottman111's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 29
Posts: 21,019
Thanks: 0
Thanked 126 Times in 106 Posts
Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Activity: 15.1%
Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
need help before i have to start tearing into the sheet rock...

my niece was in her room, space heater in one outlet, and using the hair dryer in the other outlet... pop the power goes out in that room... go downstairs and check the breaker box... none look tripped...

ok so i manually shut off every switch to the house completely off and on to make sure i reset the breaker... still no power to the outlets in her room...

i take off the panel on the box to see if any of the CB switches are melted or a wire came loose... tested for power and all showed a good ~120V out of the switch...

i checked at the outlets in her room and it is only registering ~5V... there are no GFCI's upstream on that line that would have tripped on the line after the CB... any suggestions before i have to start tearing into my drywall to trace down the line???

should i try swapping out the outlets???

Quote:
Originally Posted by endo022 View Post
Wow...talk about weird. I just had the same thing happen to me at my house too.

Room 1 and Room 2 are wired on one CB. Room 1 had a space heater plugged into one outlet and then one night...boom. Not working anymore...but just on that outlet. The rest of the outlets in Room 1 works...but there's absolutely no power in Room 2. Light switch doesn't work and no power to any of the outlets in Room 2.

I tripped the switch in the fuse box. Turned it off and as it should...both rooms 1 & 2 have no power. Turn the switch back on and only room 1 has power...all except for that one outlet which the space heater was plugged into. Room 2 still doesn't have any power.

Thoughts? Would that one dead outlet that the space heater was plugged into shorted the loop going to that outlet and to the 2nd room?

Sounds like you guys are having the same problem. Like thunder said, go get an outlet tester. It will probably read an open neutral (system ground) or open hot wire or something.

How old are your houses/wiring? The outlet probably became overloaded and knocked a wire off of an outlet when it sparked, or fried the outlet itself. I've seen it happen pretty commonly on older wiring/receptacles/switches when they aren't secured correctly and come loose. It might be such a small disconnect that it may be hard to see, so I recommend killing the breaker and pulling the outlet away from the box to get a good look and to check for burn marks and other bad connections. Hopefully they have the correct breaker for the wire size.

If you have metal boxes and no safety ground, a wire could be grounding to that or the outlet itself since it wouldn't trip the breaker without it, so be careful there.

It could be a breaker or other things, but it really doesn't sound like it
Scottman111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2011, 10:57 AM   #21
Will Y.
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Age: 49
Posts: 12,641
Thanks: 27
Thanked 344 Times in 296 Posts
Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Activity: 12.8%
Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
my god these older Federal Pacific type breaker switches are expensive... $40!!! wow!!!
Update request-- was the problem a breaker, outlet, shorted wiring in the wall, or something else?
Will Y. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2011, 1:25 PM   #22
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
will be tackling in a few hours... just got back from seeing Airplane! in theater and got my free poster...

KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2011, 10:55 AM   #23
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
ok so 4 hrs at it yesterday and i have only been able to pull off a better temp fix...

so i checked the outlets and they were fine... outlet tester showed open hot as i suspected since my meter showed absolutely 0v at the lines on the outlet... i traced the line down into the basement ceiling (80% is a drop ceiling with ceiling tiles, rest is sheetrocked)

i found the line in the same area as a weird junction box (except the weird junction box was in a basement bedroom that was competely drywalled... ) busted a hole into the ceiling to get to the box... tested the box and the power was good in that box...

the line from the upstairs outlet however then was routed further down... and then disappears back upstairs to the first floor... right where the line goes back upstairs, there were 3-4 other lines going up in that same area... 1 of the lines which comes from the direction of the utility room... so i concluded that they must have buried a junction box in the wall of the 1st fl :angry:

so i said f' it... i cut the line for the outlet... capped off the side that went off into the abyss and tapped the outlet side it into the weird junction box where i busted a hole in the room of the basement window...

when i get back from my business trip and it warms up, i'll most likely run a new dedicated line on the breaker box for that bedroom, seems a bit overkill for just 2 outlets in a bedroom... but at least i know that it won't be spliced all over the place and disappearing into walls... i'll eventually have to find that junction box that is in the wall too since i can imagine the other wires going into that box will one day also go bad...

i'll get some pics up tonight...

i don't understand how this passed inspection... there are covered junction boxes all over the ceiling it is like a freakin maze...

i looked at the sticker on the breaker box and the date showed 1986... when my dad bought the house...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 7:44 AM   #24
dallison
registered pw
Garage is empty, add now
 
dallison's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: south central pa
Age: 39
Posts: 38,005
Thanks: 30
Thanked 159 Times in 114 Posts
Points: 48,522, Level: 100
Points: 48,522, Level: 100 Points: 48,522, Level: 100 Points: 48,522, Level: 100
Activity: 3.1%
Activity: 3.1% Activity: 3.1% Activity: 3.1%
Some electricians really take some shortcuts.
dallison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 8:44 AM   #25
gatrhumpy
Chapter Leader
(Northeast Florida)
2008 Acura TL Type S
 
gatrhumpy's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Jun 2004
Age: 34
Posts: 26,171
Thanks: 248
Thanked 330 Times in 231 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by dallison View Post
Some electricians really take some shortcuts.
Who said they were electricians? Could be Messcans.
__________________
I'm an engeneer. Damn!
I'm an enginere. Shit!
I'm an engenere. Crap!
I'm good with math.
gatrhumpy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 10:12 AM   #26
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
the house was built by the former owner who was a contractor... we knew he took shortcuts from some of the other stuff we discovered when we renovated the 1st fl of the house so i should have known that these electrical shennanigans were waiting for me...

just going around the house and testing some of the outlets with the tester i bought, there were tons of open grounds and even some came back with hot/neutral wires reversed... i mean seriously??? im far from an electrician but can wire an outlet properly...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2011, 4:34 PM   #27
Scottman111
Fight Fire With Fire
Garage is empty, add now
 
Scottman111's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 29
Posts: 21,019
Thanks: 0
Thanked 126 Times in 106 Posts
Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Activity: 15.1%
Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
the house was built by the former owner who was a contractor... we knew he took shortcuts from some of the other stuff we discovered when we renovated the 1st fl of the house so i should have known that these electrical shennanigans were waiting for me...

just going around the house and testing some of the outlets with the tester i bought, there were tons of open grounds and even some came back with hot/neutral wires reversed... i mean seriously??? im far from an electrician but can wire an outlet properly...
Wow Kam that sucks. Unfortunately I used to see it all the time when I was doing electric full time.

My brother's house is the same way...previous owner thought he was good by wiring it himself but he had no idea what he was doing. My sister's house was built by a builder and it isn't much better. Not a single breaker was labeled on either house which I think is what pissed me off the most out of all the problems they had

I've gone through and pretty much renovated the whole thing. Found junction boxes everywhere which is one of my pet peeves since a whole house can be wired without ever needing one of them.

It's hard to say what could've happened in your situation without being there. I guess good luck and keep us updated...I'd really like to know the culprit.
Scottman111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 8:51 AM   #28
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
i borrowed my friend's stud finder which can detect electrical inside the wall... so when i get back from my trip, i will attempt to find the junction box that is buried... i suspect maybe when the line was overloaded, maybe the hot wire came off???

will update...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 11:51 AM   #29
Will Y.
Registered Member
Garage is empty, add now
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Age: 49
Posts: 12,641
Thanks: 27
Thanked 344 Times in 296 Posts
Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84 Points: 17,595, Level: 84
Activity: 12.8%
Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8% Activity: 12.8%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
i borrowed my friend's stud finder which can detect electrical inside the wall...

will update...
G/L and be careful with the if it's weird wiring!

A contractor owned my house for 30+ years before me, but he had a good electrical contractor do the work. He gave us the blueprints, permits and diagrams for the improvements and wiring of the house along with instructions and original paperwork for all the appliances, faucets, showerheads, etc., so that was a big help in locating parts as needed.
Will Y. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 1:17 PM   #30
KaMLuNg
Moderator
2007 Acura TL
My Garage
 
KaMLuNg's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Age: 31
Posts: 13,600
Thanks: 76
Thanked 111 Times in 96 Posts
Threadstarter
Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100 Points: 36,390, Level: 100
Activity: 6.7%
Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7% Activity: 6.7%
^^ sounds like Mike Holmes quality...
KaMLuNg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 2:39 PM   #31
Scottman111
Fight Fire With Fire
Garage is empty, add now
 
Scottman111's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 29
Posts: 21,019
Thanks: 0
Thanked 126 Times in 106 Posts
Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Activity: 15.1%
Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1%
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaMLuNg View Post
i borrowed my friend's stud finder which can detect electrical inside the wall... so when i get back from my trip, i will attempt to find the junction box that is buried... i suspect maybe when the line was overloaded, maybe the hot wire came off???

will update...
Really hard to tell man...wish I could help more. Have you found any wire nuts that they installed and inspected them? A lot of people just stick two (or three or four or...) wire ends together and just cap it without twisting the wires beforehand. If they did one that way I'm sure they did them all.

That was a pretty common problem when I was doing troubleshooting work on existing houses. One of the wires would eventually jump out because of tension and would occasionally ground itself out causing even bigger problems.
Scottman111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 2:42 PM   #32
Scottman111
Fight Fire With Fire
Garage is empty, add now
 
Scottman111's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 29
Posts: 21,019
Thanks: 0
Thanked 126 Times in 106 Posts
Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92 Points: 21,829, Level: 92
Activity: 15.1%
Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1% Activity: 15.1%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Y. View Post
G/L and be careful with the if it's weird wiring!

A contractor owned my house for 30+ years before me, but he had a good electrical contractor do the work. He gave us the blueprints, permits and diagrams for the improvements and wiring of the house along with instructions and original paperwork for all the appliances, faucets, showerheads, etc., so that was a big help in locating parts as needed.

Wow, that's awesome

If/when I build a house I'm doing something similar, plus pictures of all the walls pre-drywall, so along with the blueprints I'll know where everything is and isn't.
Scottman111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2011, 2:42 PM
AcuraZine
Acura Integra




Paid Advertisement


 
 
 
submit to reddit
Reply

Tags
box, breaker, breakers, dead, electricity, fine, fuse, gargage, good, half, heater, outlet, power, replaced, room, space

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Honda and the Honda marquee are registered trademarks of the American Honda Motor Company, Inc. Neither American Honda Motor Company nor its subsidiaries or affiliates shall bear any responsibility for Acurazine.com content, comments, or advertising. Acurazine.com is not affiliated with American Honda Motor Company in any way. American Honda Motor Company does not sponsor, support, or endorse Acurazine.com in any way. Copyright/trademark/sales mark infringements are not intended or implied.
Passwords Backup