For those on the fence, what other cars at this price range are you considering?
08-28-2014, 09:12 AM
#81
Instructor
I think that "hddnav" summed it up best by saying that Acura's are most appealing in the $30K-$40k price range once you go beyond that their are better options.
08-28-2014, 09:19 AM
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For pampering, quietness, and luxury, buy Lexus.
For reliability, but Lexus.
For quality control, buy Lexus.
For dealer service, buy Lexus.
For fuel economy and being Green, buy Lexus.
For sportiness, buy BMW.
For prestige, buy Mercedes.
For the most gadgets for the money, buy Hyundai.
For the lowest price, buy Acura.
For a very specific, value-minded, and personal combination of the above, buy Acura.
For buying American, buy Cadillac (not counting Tesla).
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08-28-2014, 09:30 AM
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I currently have a 2010 SH-AWD and just paid off. The new TLX is a big disappointment to me, it's just a upgraded TSX and nothing more. I will be looking somewhere else, maybe the new 2015 MB C400 or better yet C450 AMG. Maybe even an M3 but not an Acura or I'll wait for the BABY NSX.
08-28-2014, 09:36 AM
#84
I think I'm still in the Q50 vs. TLX review right now. I want to test drive the 4-Tech on the TLX but they are still super rare around here (ATL). I have pretty strong opinions on color (inside and out) also and I refuse to get a color I don't like just because it is all that is available. I don't particularly want to wait 6 months for the TLXs to be more readily available.
08-28-2014, 09:36 AM
#85
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I currently have a 2010 SH-AWD and just paid off. The new TLX is a big disappointment to me, it's just a upgraded TSX and nothing more. I will be looking somewhere else, maybe the new 2015 MB C400 or better yet C450 AMG. Maybe even an M3 but not an Acura or I'll wait for the BABY NSX.
POS Acura!!!
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08-28-2014, 09:40 AM
#86
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Complaints about Acura can be interpreted as wanting a higher standard but at the same price. It's just not gonna happen. Want more then pay more. Now it is a different story if the desire is to have a higher quality Acura at a higher price.
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08-28-2014, 09:42 AM
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"Damn Acura! They need to just close up shop and let MB win! Feel free to pay MUCH, MUCH more than the "upgraded TSX". Enjoy
POS Acura!!! "
I was looking for a better and faster TL SH-AWD in the 2015 TLX but they lost me. It is a fine car but I am not looking to downgrade from my current TL.
POS Acura!!! "
I was looking for a better and faster TL SH-AWD in the 2015 TLX but they lost me. It is a fine car but I am not looking to downgrade from my current TL.
08-28-2014, 09:52 AM
#88
Suzuka Master
"Damn Acura! They need to just close up shop and let MB win! Feel free to pay MUCH, MUCH more than the "upgraded TSX". Enjoy
POS Acura!!! "
I was looking for a better and faster TL SH-AWD in the 2015 TLX but they lost me. It is a fine car but I am not looking to downgrade from my current TL.
POS Acura!!! "
I was looking for a better and faster TL SH-AWD in the 2015 TLX but they lost me. It is a fine car but I am not looking to downgrade from my current TL.
08-28-2014, 10:02 AM
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Whatever man... if it makes you happy
08-28-2014, 11:12 AM
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I agree with the sentiment that the TLX is a sidways movement when compared to the 4G TL, it's a great car, but its not moving the needle really. I guess the idea is to get more people to look at the RLX, the ones that are let down by the TLX? I don't know, I don't think there is any brand equity in the RLX name. It's analogous to the La Sabre or Roadmaster, sort of hard to think of it as a serious option for someone not of a certain age. Both the RLX and TLX desperately need a Type S variant to remain relevant.
08-28-2014, 11:16 AM
#92
Objectively (ok, only somewhat), amongst the premium brands:
For pampering, quietness, and luxury, buy Lexus.
For reliability, but Lexus.
For quality control, buy Lexus.
For dealer service, buy Lexus.
For fuel economy and being Green, buy Lexus.
For sportiness, buy BMW.
For prestige, buy Mercedes.
For the most gadgets for the money, buy Hyundai.
For the lowest price, buy Acura.
For a very specific, value-minded, and personal combination of the above, buy Acura.
For buying American, buy Cadillac (not counting Tesla).
For pampering, quietness, and luxury, buy Lexus.
For reliability, but Lexus.
For quality control, buy Lexus.
For dealer service, buy Lexus.
For fuel economy and being Green, buy Lexus.
For sportiness, buy BMW.
For prestige, buy Mercedes.
For the most gadgets for the money, buy Hyundai.
For the lowest price, buy Acura.
For a very specific, value-minded, and personal combination of the above, buy Acura.
For buying American, buy Cadillac (not counting Tesla).
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08-28-2014, 12:38 PM
#93
Burning Brakes
I've been shopping the Q50, ATS, C class and TLX (of course). I scratched off the Lexus and BMW due to big price jumps, especially for the features I want (nav and backup camera).
TLX - beautiful in person. Size is perfect for me and my family. Honda reliability. Front runner based on 4cyl with Tech package price. Not to keen on paying full MSRP or waiting forever for the color/style I want to finally come in.
ATS - best driving of all I have looked at. The engine in the turbo 4 is so smooth and peppy. Inside is pretty but GM-y which is a style I don't overtly care for. Tiny. No, like ridiculously small. Rear seats are for carnies maybe. I've had Big Gulps bigger than the trunk. Like the style.
C class - like the look. Dislike the spartan interior. Technology seems outdated compared to peers. Engine is too loud. Distractingly so. Some really good deals available on them as so many out there.
Q50 - best looking of all inside and out. Used to own I in the past and it was super reliable and sturdy. If it was 5k less would probably be front runner. Not as sporty as TLX
So I'm really stuck between the TLX and Q50. Time will tell...
TLX - beautiful in person. Size is perfect for me and my family. Honda reliability. Front runner based on 4cyl with Tech package price. Not to keen on paying full MSRP or waiting forever for the color/style I want to finally come in.
ATS - best driving of all I have looked at. The engine in the turbo 4 is so smooth and peppy. Inside is pretty but GM-y which is a style I don't overtly care for. Tiny. No, like ridiculously small. Rear seats are for carnies maybe. I've had Big Gulps bigger than the trunk. Like the style.
C class - like the look. Dislike the spartan interior. Technology seems outdated compared to peers. Engine is too loud. Distractingly so. Some really good deals available on them as so many out there.
Q50 - best looking of all inside and out. Used to own I in the past and it was super reliable and sturdy. If it was 5k less would probably be front runner. Not as sporty as TLX
So I'm really stuck between the TLX and Q50. Time will tell...
I love this thread - people in this thread seem to like the Acuras but are OPEN MINDED enough to consider other cars as well. I really still love my OLD TL but I really want a huge jump in GPS tech and gas mileage. I like the Q50 CHOICE between using a touch screen and/or toggle switch/mouse for input.
I'm concerned so many people commented that the TLX seats aren't as nice as the old TL as that is one of my favorite features about my current TL. I tried the Accord (I was considering the hybrid until I tried the driver seat) and the seats were actually less comfy than my 20 year old civic. I haven't actually test driven the TLX yet so I'm hoping that people were being overly critical of the seats. I live in LA and have literally sat in traffic for an hour to drive 10 miles so seat comfort/luxury is no small thing.
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08-28-2014, 03:53 PM
#94
For the sake of discussion, let me borrow your shopping list as an example of how the target market is clearly different between the TLX and 4G TL SH-AWD.
When I bought my 2013 TL, on the higher-priced side, the cars I considered were the Lexus GS350 F-sport (luxury-tuned vanilla GS was of no interest) and BMW 5-series. About the same price as the TL was the Infiniti G37 sedan. Priced lower were the Honda Accord Touring and even the Camry Hybrid (yikes!!!). In this crowd, the 4G TL SH-AWD was a really strong bargain that offered a combination of attributes that I just couldn't pass up.
Honda Civic sized cars, such as the BMW 3-series, Lexus IS, and the TSX, were not even on my radar, primarily due to the desire for something safe and roomy enough for a growing family of four, not to mention the occasional business dinner.
This is not to suggest that the TLX is less safe or dramatically less roomy than the TL, but it is clearly marketed towards a younger crowd who is either single, a young couple, or a young couple with infants. I remember reading articles that the 4G was targeted towards buyers in the lower 40's age range. I wonder if the TLX targets buyers in their 20's and lower 30's.
I do believe the lower price tag and targeting younger buyers will drive up Acura sales, so this is probably not a bad strategy for Acura, especially since the ILX seems to have completely missed the target. However, much like how they've abandoned the 6MT market, they've also abandoned buyers who were looking for a more mature sports sedan (because there aren't enough of us).
When I bought my 2013 TL, on the higher-priced side, the cars I considered were the Lexus GS350 F-sport (luxury-tuned vanilla GS was of no interest) and BMW 5-series. About the same price as the TL was the Infiniti G37 sedan. Priced lower were the Honda Accord Touring and even the Camry Hybrid (yikes!!!). In this crowd, the 4G TL SH-AWD was a really strong bargain that offered a combination of attributes that I just couldn't pass up.
Honda Civic sized cars, such as the BMW 3-series, Lexus IS, and the TSX, were not even on my radar, primarily due to the desire for something safe and roomy enough for a growing family of four, not to mention the occasional business dinner.
This is not to suggest that the TLX is less safe or dramatically less roomy than the TL, but it is clearly marketed towards a younger crowd who is either single, a young couple, or a young couple with infants. I remember reading articles that the 4G was targeted towards buyers in the lower 40's age range. I wonder if the TLX targets buyers in their 20's and lower 30's.
I do believe the lower price tag and targeting younger buyers will drive up Acura sales, so this is probably not a bad strategy for Acura, especially since the ILX seems to have completely missed the target. However, much like how they've abandoned the 6MT market, they've also abandoned buyers who were looking for a more mature sports sedan (because there aren't enough of us).
Bingo!! I could not have said myself in better terms.
The TL was able to punch above its waistline where the TLX is not IMHO.
Quite few TL owners cross shopped the GS and 5 Series, the A6 or even the Infiniti M....I see a potential cross shopping between a TLX and these above mentioned cars virtually nil.
Upgrade about my wife's car...the final decision is between a Q50 Sport AWD or a GS350 F-Sport both fully loaded.
I sure hope for Acura that ti will sell better than the TL....its replacing 2 cars lowering the price point and probably attracting some potential mainstream sedan buyers too.
The ILX is actually selling ok...as much as the Audi A3...granted I think it's a dog of a car.
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08-28-2014, 05:15 PM
#95
^^^^^
imo -- no brainer -- Lexus Fsport. The again you are in the PNW and AWD would be useful. But on car merits alone? Lexus. My 1st has been so much fun and bullet proof. I passed on GS because I've always wanted a TSX sized car since they 1st came out. Actually I think this IS captures the spirit of the 1st gen TSX quite well sans the 4 cyl. I intuited it was over for Acura when the bloated the TSX. Couldn't believe they did that. I saw GM, Ford, and Chrysler do that all of the damn time and it never worked. Remember the original Cougar, Camaro, and Thunderbirds? Cool cars that became house boats. Acura should've kept the TSX small and nimble and continued to optimize it.
imo -- no brainer -- Lexus Fsport. The again you are in the PNW and AWD would be useful. But on car merits alone? Lexus. My 1st has been so much fun and bullet proof. I passed on GS because I've always wanted a TSX sized car since they 1st came out. Actually I think this IS captures the spirit of the 1st gen TSX quite well sans the 4 cyl. I intuited it was over for Acura when the bloated the TSX. Couldn't believe they did that. I saw GM, Ford, and Chrysler do that all of the damn time and it never worked. Remember the original Cougar, Camaro, and Thunderbirds? Cool cars that became house boats. Acura should've kept the TSX small and nimble and continued to optimize it.
08-28-2014, 05:42 PM
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The next level of the Lexus moves on to RWD, different packaging & higher prices.
08-28-2014, 06:15 PM
#97
Suzuka Master
Ignoring the RLX (top end) & using the logic presented the TLX is the next to top end Honda like the ES is the top end Toyota. The price spreads reflect that. The current pricing is where the TLX needs to be to sell well. Good plan by Honda.
The next level of the Lexus moves on to RWD, different packaging & higher prices.
The next level of the Lexus moves on to RWD, different packaging & higher prices.
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08-29-2014, 09:29 AM
#98
Burning Brakes
Objectively (ok, only somewhat), amongst the premium brands:<br />
<br />
For pampering, quietness, and luxury, buy Lexus. <br />
For reliability, but Lexus. <br />
For quality control, buy Lexus. <br />
For dealer service, buy Lexus. <br />
For fuel economy and being Green, buy Lexus. <br />
For sportiness, buy BMW. <br />
For prestige, buy Mercedes. <br />
For the most gadgets for the money, buy Hyundai.<br />
For the lowest price, buy Acura.<br />
For a very specific, value-minded, and personal combination of the above, buy Acura.<br />
For buying American, buy Cadillac (not counting Tesla).
<br />
For pampering, quietness, and luxury, buy Lexus. <br />
For reliability, but Lexus. <br />
For quality control, buy Lexus. <br />
For dealer service, buy Lexus. <br />
For fuel economy and being Green, buy Lexus. <br />
For sportiness, buy BMW. <br />
For prestige, buy Mercedes. <br />
For the most gadgets for the money, buy Hyundai.<br />
For the lowest price, buy Acura.<br />
For a very specific, value-minded, and personal combination of the above, buy Acura.<br />
For buying American, buy Cadillac (not counting Tesla).
<br />
I don't know where this list is from but I decided on another G for me. Probably going to get the wife a Q in the near future. Although I may look at the TLX after it becomes more commonplace.<br />
<br />
Tough decision, since Acura really has stepped up its game with the TLX and it was the first model year, which had me very leery.
08-29-2014, 09:54 AM
#99
I think the strong value proposition the TLX represents just shows how much the rest of the competition has raised their prices ($50K for a 4 cyl 328i equipped like for like?). Put a 6 cyl in any of these other cars and you're knocking on the door of $60K equipped like a ~$45K TLX Advance.
Now you can see where Acura held the line on pricing. Just because you can spend more doesn't mean that you get anything significantly more.
I know it took me a couple of trips through the Audi and BMW dealerships/ownership to realize that.
Icing on the cake, you get Acura reliability, and a car that will likely last you 200K miles without leaving you stranded if you keep up maintenance in any reasonable way. Actually, I've seen plenty where maintenance was an afterthought to the owner, and their Acuras were still returning high, trouble free miles. Don't try that with an Audi or BMW (probably not a Mercedes, either).
It's good that some of you are comparing the TL/TLX to a $60K Lexus GS. To me, that's a big positive. i know I can get a GS 350 equipped similar to a TLX ADvance for a pretty good discount ($150 of invoice). It's still $10K more than the MSRP of a TLX (will be more of a delta as soon as supply catches up with demand and discounts start on the TLX).
Now you can see where Acura held the line on pricing. Just because you can spend more doesn't mean that you get anything significantly more.
I know it took me a couple of trips through the Audi and BMW dealerships/ownership to realize that.
Icing on the cake, you get Acura reliability, and a car that will likely last you 200K miles without leaving you stranded if you keep up maintenance in any reasonable way. Actually, I've seen plenty where maintenance was an afterthought to the owner, and their Acuras were still returning high, trouble free miles. Don't try that with an Audi or BMW (probably not a Mercedes, either).
It's good that some of you are comparing the TL/TLX to a $60K Lexus GS. To me, that's a big positive. i know I can get a GS 350 equipped similar to a TLX ADvance for a pretty good discount ($150 of invoice). It's still $10K more than the MSRP of a TLX (will be more of a delta as soon as supply catches up with demand and discounts start on the TLX).
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08-29-2014, 10:00 AM
#100
Suzuka Master
I think the strong value proposition the TLX represents just shows how much the rest of the competition has raised their prices ($50K for a 4 cyl 328i equipped like for like?). Put a 6 cyl in any of these other cars and you're knocking on the door of $60K equipped like a ~$45K TLX Advance.
Now you can see where Acura held the line on pricing. Just because you can spend more doesn't mean that you get anything significantly more.
I know it took me a couple of trips through the Audi and BMW dealerships/ownership to realize that.
Icing on the cake, you get Acura reliability, and a car that will likely last you 200K miles without leaving you stranded if you keep up maintenance in any reasonable way. Actually, I've seen plenty where maintenance was an afterthought to the owner, and their Acuras were still returning high, trouble free miles. Don't try that with an Audi or BMW (probably not a Mercedes, either).
It's good that some of you are comparing the TL/TLX to a $60K Lexus GS. To me, that's a big positive. i know I can get a GS 350 equipped similar to a TLX ADvance for a pretty good discount ($150 of invoice). It's still $10K more than the MSRP of a TLX (will be more of a delta as soon as supply catches up with demand and discounts start on the TLX).
Now you can see where Acura held the line on pricing. Just because you can spend more doesn't mean that you get anything significantly more.
I know it took me a couple of trips through the Audi and BMW dealerships/ownership to realize that.
Icing on the cake, you get Acura reliability, and a car that will likely last you 200K miles without leaving you stranded if you keep up maintenance in any reasonable way. Actually, I've seen plenty where maintenance was an afterthought to the owner, and their Acuras were still returning high, trouble free miles. Don't try that with an Audi or BMW (probably not a Mercedes, either).
It's good that some of you are comparing the TL/TLX to a $60K Lexus GS. To me, that's a big positive. i know I can get a GS 350 equipped similar to a TLX ADvance for a pretty good discount ($150 of invoice). It's still $10K more than the MSRP of a TLX (will be more of a delta as soon as supply catches up with demand and discounts start on the TLX).
08-29-2014, 10:51 AM
#101
Burning Brakes
You can compare a TL to Bugatti. Doesn't elevate the TL nor diminish the Bugatti.
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08-31-2014, 02:20 AM
#102
Two Finalists
Long time lurker first time poster. Thanks for the great forum!
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
08-31-2014, 06:20 AM
#103
Three Wheelin'
Bingo!! I could not have said myself in better terms.
The TL was able to punch above its waistline where the TLX is not IMHO.
Quite few TL owners cross shopped the GS and 5 Series, the A6 or even the Infiniti M....I see a potential cross shopping between a TLX and these above mentioned cars virtually nil.
Upgrade about my wife's car...the final decision is between a Q50 Sport AWD or a GS350 F-Sport both fully loaded.
I sure hope for Acura that ti will sell better than the TL....its replacing 2 cars lowering the price point and probably attracting some potential mainstream sedan buyers too.
The ILX is actually selling ok...as much as the Audi A3...granted I think it's a dog of a car.
The TL was able to punch above its waistline where the TLX is not IMHO.
Quite few TL owners cross shopped the GS and 5 Series, the A6 or even the Infiniti M....I see a potential cross shopping between a TLX and these above mentioned cars virtually nil.
Upgrade about my wife's car...the final decision is between a Q50 Sport AWD or a GS350 F-Sport both fully loaded.
I sure hope for Acura that ti will sell better than the TL....its replacing 2 cars lowering the price point and probably attracting some potential mainstream sedan buyers too.
The ILX is actually selling ok...as much as the Audi A3...granted I think it's a dog of a car.
08-31-2014, 07:07 AM
#104
Black
Instead of the perpetual "I'll definitely buy a car in the next few weeks" or forum window shopper category, we actually did cross-shop the TLX - with Mazda 6, Audi A3, and 2014 TSX (non-limited edition). We replaced my mother's 2006 TSX.
The TSX won.
Other cars in household include 2013 535i and 2014 MDX. My father has a 2012 CTS.
The TSX won.
Other cars in household include 2013 535i and 2014 MDX. My father has a 2012 CTS.
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08-31-2014, 07:08 AM
#105
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Long time lurker first time poster. Thanks for the great forum!
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
08-31-2014, 07:14 AM
#106
Three Wheelin'
I liked the car a lot and am interested, but resale scares the hell out of me. I've been down that road before with American cars. The jury is still out for me on the "video game" interior. I have trouble taking a car seriously that is so gimmicky.
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08-31-2014, 07:24 AM
#107
Three Wheelin'
Long time lurker first time poster. Thanks for the great forum!
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
The American manufacturers can't get away from the volume issue. They are so driven by volume that if (when) they don't sell, they keep throwing incentives at them which kills resale value. And despite all that, the current V-Sport is still on my list of cars I'm interested in right now. But I doubt if I'll be able to pull the trigger on one.
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08-31-2014, 08:08 AM
#108
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Long time lurker first time poster. Thanks for the great forum!
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
In one corner Acura TLX v-6 tech in the other 2014 Cadillac CTS Turbo Four w/ luxury package - Dealer can't move them GM throwing incentives in to bring this $51K car down to $43K.
I know the TLX is punching above its weight class in this scenario but I'm interested in knowing everyone's thoughts.
My wife had a second generation CTS for almost 7 years and loved it, and she currently has an ATS that we think is great. We considered the new CTS, but a little to big and costly (no big incentives at that time) for us. And the ATS is so light, compact and fun to drive. By the way, the interior is great and we've had no problems with CUE.
I'm only talking about the 2014 CTS with big mark-downs. The 2015 (at around MSRP) vs the 2015 V6 TLX may be a totally different value story. And it should be mentioned that the Luxury version of the CTS does not have all the features of the Advance TLX
Now about that I4 TLX - talk about a fine car at a great value - wow
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08-31-2014, 08:12 PM
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Race Director
Did anyone consider the Kia Cadenza (Limited package) as a contender in this class? If not, why?
08-31-2014, 08:39 PM
#110
Azine Jabroni
08-31-2014, 08:39 PM
#111
If you can get the CTS for that price, go for it. Yesterday I drove my first TLX (admittedly an I4) and loved it - but I think the new CTS is in a different league, it's a true luxury sports sedan.
My wife had a second generation CTS for almost 7 years and loved it, and she currently has an ATS that we think is great. We considered the new CTS, but a little to big and costly (no big incentives at that time) for us. And the ATS is so light, compact and fun to drive. By the way, the interior is great and we've had no problems with CUE.
I'm only talking about the 2014 CTS with big mark-downs. The 2015 (at around MSRP) vs the 2015 V6 TLX may be a totally different value story. And it should be mentioned that the Luxury version of the CTS does not have all the features of the Advance TLX
Now about that I4 TLX - talk about a fine car at a great value - wow
My wife had a second generation CTS for almost 7 years and loved it, and she currently has an ATS that we think is great. We considered the new CTS, but a little to big and costly (no big incentives at that time) for us. And the ATS is so light, compact and fun to drive. By the way, the interior is great and we've had no problems with CUE.
I'm only talking about the 2014 CTS with big mark-downs. The 2015 (at around MSRP) vs the 2015 V6 TLX may be a totally different value story. And it should be mentioned that the Luxury version of the CTS does not have all the features of the Advance TLX
Now about that I4 TLX - talk about a fine car at a great value - wow
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08-31-2014, 08:56 PM
#112
Clarify
If you can get the CTS for that price, go for it. Yesterday I drove my first TLX (admittedly an I4) and loved it - but I think the new CTS is in a different league, it's a true luxury sports sedan.
My wife had a second generation CTS for almost 7 years and loved it, and she currently has an ATS that we think is great. We considered the new CTS, but a little to big and costly (no big incentives at that time) for us. And the ATS is so light, compact and fun to drive. By the way, the interior is great and we've had no problems with CUE.
I'm only talking about the 2014 CTS with big mark-downs. The 2015 (at around MSRP) vs the 2015 V6 TLX may be a totally different value story. And it should be mentioned that the Luxury version of the CTS does not have all the features of the Advance TLX
Now about that I4 TLX - talk about a fine car at a great value - wow
My wife had a second generation CTS for almost 7 years and loved it, and she currently has an ATS that we think is great. We considered the new CTS, but a little to big and costly (no big incentives at that time) for us. And the ATS is so light, compact and fun to drive. By the way, the interior is great and we've had no problems with CUE.
I'm only talking about the 2014 CTS with big mark-downs. The 2015 (at around MSRP) vs the 2015 V6 TLX may be a totally different value story. And it should be mentioned that the Luxury version of the CTS does not have all the features of the Advance TLX
Now about that I4 TLX - talk about a fine car at a great value - wow
Thanks!
I should clarify that I was able to get that quote because I have a legacy discount from my dad on top of the incentives (GM retiree). I like the CTS' look but to get it within sniffing distance of the TLX-tech I had to go from the base MSRP $46 to $53 (sunroof, lane keeping assist, and 18 inch wheels)
I still have a few months remaining on my lease so there's a good chance Cadillac may get even more desperate near the end of the year or Acura may be more willing to cut a deal on the TLX.
That said I'm dialed in on these two cars but GM's quality still worries me.
08-31-2014, 09:16 PM
#113
Burning Brakes
The Lexus es 300h just went up a point on my score card as the 2015 model GPS now does full address with 1 button press voice command - e.g. 1200 main street, new port beach, CA. Not street number, street, city, state, country, planet... like the accord/acura. Now I just need them to offer a model without the stupid wood steering wheel and we have a winner.
08-31-2014, 09:32 PM
#115
Black
I'll save you, but every facet of the MDX has been utter rubbish, from low rent plastics to mismatched colors, failed navigation system, unusable rear seat entertainment, and random suspension bolts not properly tightened.
Even the emblem was misapplied by some special needs employee. They would have been terminated on the spot in Japan, Germany, or Korea.
QA? Doubtful.
09-01-2014, 04:01 AM
#116
Surprised
After spending nearly $50k on a 2014 MDX quality, GM would be light years ahead.
I'll save you, but every facet of the MDX has been utter rubbish, from low rent plastics to mismatched colors, failed navigation system, unusable rear seat entertainment, and random suspension bolts not properly tightened.
Even the emblem was misapplied by some special needs employee. They would have been terminated on the spot in Japan, Germany, or Korea.
QA? Doubtful.
I'll save you, but every facet of the MDX has been utter rubbish, from low rent plastics to mismatched colors, failed navigation system, unusable rear seat entertainment, and random suspension bolts not properly tightened.
Even the emblem was misapplied by some special needs employee. They would have been terminated on the spot in Japan, Germany, or Korea.
QA? Doubtful.
09-01-2014, 06:15 AM
#117
Three Wheelin'
After spending nearly $50k on a 2014 MDX quality, GM would be light years ahead.
I'll save you, but every facet of the MDX has been utter rubbish, from low rent plastics to mismatched colors, failed navigation system, unusable rear seat entertainment, and random suspension bolts not properly tightened.
Even the emblem was misapplied by some special needs employee. They would have been terminated on the spot in Japan, Germany, or Korea.
QA? Doubtful.
I'll save you, but every facet of the MDX has been utter rubbish, from low rent plastics to mismatched colors, failed navigation system, unusable rear seat entertainment, and random suspension bolts not properly tightened.
Even the emblem was misapplied by some special needs employee. They would have been terminated on the spot in Japan, Germany, or Korea.
QA? Doubtful.
09-01-2014, 06:37 AM
#118
Liquid Ice
My 2014 MDX which I took delivery of on 8/26 had to go in for service twice (8/27 and 8/29) - once for off center steering and once for an adjustment to the hood latch because the car's alarm wouldn't arm thinking the hood was open. I couldn't take the car home on the day I bought it because there was a piece of the roof molding that was "incorrectly installed" and the piece needed to be replaced.
At this point - the car seems fine and hopefully we'll get nothing but trouble free miles going forward, but it certainly wasn't a great first impression.
You'll find my experience to not be a unique one unfortunately with the 2014 MDX. I don't think the TLX will suffer from the same issues because it is continuing to be built in Ohio.
09-01-2014, 06:49 AM
#119
Three Wheelin'
Goto the 3G MDX forums - the MDX has not been exceptionally reliable like you'd expect from an Acura. I hope it is 1st year model issue and the fact that they moved production from Canada to Alabama - hopefully Acura corrects any issues.
My 2014 MDX which I took delivery of on 8/26 had to go in for service twice (8/27 and 8/29) - once for off center steering and once for an adjustment to the hood latch because the car's alarm wouldn't arm thinking the hood was open. I couldn't take the car home on the day I bought it because there was a piece of the roof molding that was "incorrectly installed" and the piece needed to be replaced.
At this point - the car seems fine and hopefully we'll get nothing but trouble free miles going forward, but it certainly wasn't a great first impression.
You'll find my experience to not be a unique one unfortunately with the 2014 MDX. I don't think the TLX will suffer from the same issues because it is continuing to be built in Ohio.
My 2014 MDX which I took delivery of on 8/26 had to go in for service twice (8/27 and 8/29) - once for off center steering and once for an adjustment to the hood latch because the car's alarm wouldn't arm thinking the hood was open. I couldn't take the car home on the day I bought it because there was a piece of the roof molding that was "incorrectly installed" and the piece needed to be replaced.
At this point - the car seems fine and hopefully we'll get nothing but trouble free miles going forward, but it certainly wasn't a great first impression.
You'll find my experience to not be a unique one unfortunately with the 2014 MDX. I don't think the TLX will suffer from the same issues because it is continuing to be built in Ohio.
09-02-2014, 03:17 PM
#120
Black
The other Acuras were great. 2004 TL was surprisingly good from Ohio; Japanese cars were awesome (RL, TSX); 2008 RDX was an odd duck but great quality and 2011 MDX was really something special.
The 2014 MDX will be my last. 2014 TSX deal (mother) fell through over $590.