3G TL (2004-2008)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Questions, Tips And Pictures? Please

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-20-2014, 10:28 PM
  #1  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question Questions, Tips And Pictures? Please

Hello Acura World I Am Nick. I am 20, working on my way to get a permit ( yes i know ) and eventually a liscence. Pardon my spelling im too lazy as well

i have been admiring the Third Gen TL since i was 14 all i do is look at them online and forums like these. i plan on getting one myself as a my own perferably an 07-08 TL type s 6speed. but i have alot of questions on the Tl and i decided to come here to ask.

what are good colors for this generation of this car?
i wanted midnight purple myself

has anyone converted to RWD? AWD?

any massive engine mods? like turbo or even an RL swap if possible

interior ideas? unique colors or anything special

if these question give you the idea that im stupid, im very sorry but im serious as ever and im very intrested in trying think ahead of what i want to do with a Tl if i get my hands on one.

Can i see pictures as well of your TL if your in this thread please


Thank you Guys
Old 08-20-2014, 10:39 PM
  #2  
Drifting
 
LaCostaRacer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Carlsbad, CA
Age: 63
Posts: 2,498
Received 220 Likes on 180 Posts
You should check out the Photo Gallery in this forum and see what's possible. With enough money, most things are possible. However, your money would be better spent getting a production car closer to whatever you're trying to do. If you want AWD, get an RL or 4g TL instead trying to retrofit a 3G.
The following 4 users liked this post by LaCostaRacer:
96SC4 (08-21-2014), ggesq (08-21-2014), NinjaNickNasty (08-21-2014), TurnerDan (08-26-2014)
Old 08-20-2014, 10:53 PM
  #3  
Three Wheelin'
 
dezymond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,503
Received 319 Likes on 228 Posts
Check out the photo gallery section of the forum, you'll see a bunch of customizations and get an idea of what you may be looking for. All you need is the money.

I've never heard of anyone trying to convert a 3G TL to RWD or AWD, but I suppose it's possible with the right amount of money. Honestly, for a FWD car, the TL handles great.

Engine mods: there are plenty, and again with the right amount of cash, just about anything is possible.

It's fine to ask, but what you're asking is all subjective. It all depends on what you want from your future car. You'll definitely find some inspiration from the photo gallery though.
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-21-2014)
Old 08-20-2014, 11:09 PM
  #4  
Suzuka Master
 
truonghthe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Age: 36
Posts: 7,952
Received 1,687 Likes on 1,303 Posts
I suggest if you do search then use google it gave you a better result than that search button.
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-21-2014)
Old 08-20-2014, 11:21 PM
  #5  
Slot Machine Lubricator
iTrader: (2)
 
1black_seven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: KS/TX
Posts: 1,883
Received 404 Likes on 316 Posts
It's a good reliable car but there's a limited market for modding.
If you want to mod more I'd suggest an 05-06 RSX-S.
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-21-2014)
Old 08-21-2014, 12:04 AM
  #6  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by dezymond
Check out the photo gallery section of the forum, you'll see a bunch of customizations and get an idea of what you may be looking for. All you need is the money.

I've never heard of anyone trying to convert a 3G TL to RWD or AWD, but I suppose it's possible with the right amount of money. Honestly, for a FWD car, the TL handles great.

Engine mods: there are plenty, and again with the right amount of cash, just about anything is possible.

It's fine to ask, but what you're asking is all subjective. It all depends on what you want from your future car. You'll definitely find some inspiration from the photo gallery though.
i was just curious honestly. i wanted a turbo option with an intake etc, a color unique and i dont mind it being FWD. i love the car as is. thanks sir
Old 08-21-2014, 12:06 AM
  #7  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LaCostaRacer
You should check out the Photo Gallery in this forum and see what's possible. With enough money, most things are possible. However, your money would be better spent getting a production car closer to whatever you're trying to do. If you want AWD, get an RL or 4g TL instead trying to retrofit a 3G.
i was looking at the 2005-08 RL
and i really liked it but it didnt come manual

but thanks i will definately look into it
im just curious about it
Old 08-21-2014, 07:14 AM
  #8  
Senior Moderator
iTrader: (1)
 
ggesq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 12,452
Received 2,181 Likes on 1,210 Posts
Abyss Blue Pearl is the best color.

Welcome to AcuraZine Nick and good luck with whatever you decide to get.
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-28-2014)
Old 08-21-2014, 08:35 AM
  #9  
Safety Car
iTrader: (4)
 
JTS97Z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Plainfield, IL
Age: 43
Posts: 4,242
Received 945 Likes on 650 Posts
Since you admitted yourself that your a lazy 20 years old, here are the color options for the Type S ;-)
Nighthawk Black Pearl (NBP)
Alabaster Silver Metallic (ASM)
White Diamond Pearl (WDP)
Carbon Bronze Pearl (CBP)
Kinetic Blue Pearl (KBP)
Moroccan Red Pearl (MRP) <---best color on the Type S haha. im not biased.

All look great and you cant go wrong with any of them. There are only two interior combos available for the Type S and its Ebony/Silver or Taupe. I personally like Ebony silver because everything is just black including the headliner which is cool. Taupe interior also looks great, but the seats are extremely light colored...like a light gray and show their age pretty easily if they haven't been maintained well. Headliner and pillars are also light gray with light gray door panel inserts as well.

All 6spd manual Type S's are difficult to find regardless of color...and if you want low miles and a specific color...simply put, goodluck!

Welcome to the forums!
The following 2 users liked this post by JTS97Z28:
ggesq (08-21-2014), NinjaNickNasty (08-22-2014)
Old 08-21-2014, 11:40 AM
  #10  
Moderator
iTrader: (7)
 
paperboy42190's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Alhambra, CA
Age: 33
Posts: 6,992
Received 1,162 Likes on 847 Posts
Originally Posted by NinjaNickNasty
any massive engine mods? like turbo or even an RL swap if possible
I have the RL engine in my tl-s it's got the j35a8
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-22-2014)
Old 08-21-2014, 12:41 PM
  #11  
lowrd on tein CS biatch
iTrader: (2)
 
CL-S progression 01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Mississauga
Age: 36
Posts: 4,766
Received 138 Likes on 124 Posts
You can bolt on 20-30 whp which is around 10-15% increase in power.

I gained 30 whp on my cls so it's definitely doable
Old 08-21-2014, 12:58 PM
  #12  
Slot Machine Lubricator
iTrader: (2)
 
1black_seven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: KS/TX
Posts: 1,883
Received 404 Likes on 316 Posts
Originally Posted by paperboy42190
I have the RL engine in my tl-s it's got the j35a8
Old 08-25-2014, 10:07 PM
  #13  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JTS97Z28
Since you admitted yourself that your a lazy 20 years old, here are the color options for the Type S ;-)
Nighthawk Black Pearl (NBP)
Alabaster Silver Metallic (ASM)
White Diamond Pearl (WDP)
Carbon Bronze Pearl (CBP)
Kinetic Blue Pearl (KBP)
Moroccan Red Pearl (MRP) <---best color on the Type S haha. im not biased.

All look great and you cant go wrong with any of them. There are only two interior combos available for the Type S and its Ebony/Silver or Taupe. I personally like Ebony silver because everything is just black including the headliner which is cool. Taupe interior also looks great, but the seats are extremely light colored...like a light gray and show their age pretty easily if they haven't been maintained well. Headliner and pillars are also light gray with light gray door panel inserts as well.

All 6spd manual Type S's are difficult to find regardless of color...and if you want low miles and a specific color...simply put, goodluck!

Welcome to the forums!
well i dont much about cars and specs, but i do love them, if it makes any sense to you i just get confused with what to build it the car to make it sound powerful. like turbo & intake and things like that i just get stumped thinking about these things i dont know what i'd do. i wouldnt want it to be all exhaust noise.
what i do know is that an 07 TL-s is the definate TL i want
i just want to do enough to the car that it stands out.


As for me I think the best color is the Desert Mist And The Abyss Blue
but if i dont get the color i want i was gonna get a paint change to maybe a nice purple, a teal/aqua green or hot red.

and thanks
Old 08-25-2014, 11:51 PM
  #14  
Fearless DIY Guy
iTrader: (2)
 
DeathMetal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Jersey 'Burbs
Age: 42
Posts: 3,003
Received 373 Likes on 206 Posts
Originally Posted by 1black_seven
It's a good reliable car but there's a limited market for modding.
I think this should have been red text.

I could easily drain the cost of a 4G TL in mods on my 3G TL and still want for more.
Old 08-26-2014, 10:20 PM
  #15  
7th Gear
 
Sejanus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I own a 2008 TL-S 6MT myself, and have loved it since day 1. As has been said earlier, there is quite a few things you can do. Recently I got the ATLP cat-back and a CAI. Eventually I will do the pre-cat deletes which gives you a 15hp gain (just quoting what I have seen on sites, not sure if there are any dynos). Regardless, I always knew this car would sound mean when there was no restriction in the exhaust, and doing that upgrade proved it.

As mentioned before, look at what some of the other guys have done to their cars. There are whole dash kits available to make your interior dash any kind of wood you can think of, and that would make it stand out. Getting a Ronjon body kit is something else. Suspension and wheels, tinting etc. There are turbo kits and supercharger kits, the choice is yours. It all boils down to money.

Good luck getting your hands on a manual, they are rare. If not, you can pay to get a manual transmission installed at Acura. I'm sure that I've read someone getting that done already.
Old 08-26-2014, 10:34 PM
  #16  
Moderator
iTrader: (7)
 
paperboy42190's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Alhambra, CA
Age: 33
Posts: 6,992
Received 1,162 Likes on 847 Posts
Originally Posted by 1black_seven
yep you read it right, I have the j35a8 RL engine


Originally Posted by NinjaNickNasty
As for me I think the best color is the Desert Mist And The Abyss Blue
but if i dont get the color i want i was gonna get a paint change to maybe a nice purple, a teal/aqua green or hot red.

and thanks
DMM and ABP are both colors that do not come on the type S
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-27-2014)
Old 08-27-2014, 02:11 AM
  #17  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by paperboy42190
yep you read it right, I have the j35a8 RL engine




DMM and ABP are both colors that do not come on the type S
Black for me i guess lol
thanks
Old 08-27-2014, 02:13 AM
  #18  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sejanus
I own a 2008 TL-S 6MT myself, and have loved it since day 1. As has been said earlier, there is quite a few things you can do. Recently I got the ATLP cat-back and a CAI. Eventually I will do the pre-cat deletes which gives you a 15hp gain (just quoting what I have seen on sites, not sure if there are any dynos). Regardless, I always knew this car would sound mean when there was no restriction in the exhaust, and doing that upgrade proved it.

As mentioned before, look at what some of the other guys have done to their cars. There are whole dash kits available to make your interior dash any kind of wood you can think of, and that would make it stand out. Getting a Ronjon body kit is something else. Suspension and wheels, tinting etc. There are turbo kits and supercharger kits, the choice is yours. It all boils down to money.

Good luck getting your hands on a manual, they are rare. If not, you can pay to get a manual transmission installed at Acura. I'm sure that I've read someone getting that done already.
thanks
i'll find one
dash kits as well?
i try to look up these things in forums and i swear i never find them
Old 08-27-2014, 01:13 PM
  #19  
7th Gear
 
Sejanus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I stumbled upon the dash kits. Here's a link:http://www.carid.com/2008-acura-tl-w...-17388206.html
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-27-2014)
Old 08-27-2014, 01:51 PM
  #20  
Drifting
iTrader: (9)
 
KJ TL-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Chicago Burbs
Age: 39
Posts: 2,710
Received 663 Likes on 539 Posts
All this talk of turbos and paint jobs makes me very nervous for what is going to happen here. So far you're already talking about close to $10,000 in mods to do those two things well.
Old 08-27-2014, 02:22 PM
  #21  
Three Wheelin'
 
dezymond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,503
Received 319 Likes on 228 Posts
Originally Posted by KJ TL-S
All this talk of turbos and paint jobs makes me very nervous for what is going to happen here. So far you're already talking about close to $10,000 in mods to do those two things well.
C'mon let the man dream!
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-27-2014)
Old 08-27-2014, 10:38 PM
  #22  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KJ TL-S
All this talk of turbos and paint jobs makes me very nervous for what is going to happen here. So far you're already talking about close to $10,000 in mods to do those two things well.
lol the turbo would be last
i thought i'd start with intake & exhaust and wait it out

how much would that be, with the nesscady partys?

as for paint, i dont know the cost for it
but i actually was thinking a sea green
or midnight purple lol
Old 08-27-2014, 10:39 PM
  #23  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
nessecary parts*
Old 08-27-2014, 10:42 PM
  #24  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sejanus
I stumbled upon the dash kits. Here's a link:http://www.carid.com/2008-acura-tl-w...-17388206.html

it shows schematics.
is that what im supposed to see? o:
Old 08-28-2014, 08:28 AM
  #25  
Racer
iTrader: (1)
 
mvp2765's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Chicago
Posts: 489
Received 95 Likes on 78 Posts
Its probably a good idea to find and purchase a 3g TLS first. You can dream about modding it after whatever maintenance is needed on a used car, car payments, insurance, & gas.
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-28-2014)
Old 08-28-2014, 09:56 PM
  #26  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mvp2765
Its probably a good idea to find and purchase a 3g TLS first. You can dream about modding it after whatever maintenance is needed on a used car, car payments, insurance, & gas.
that im aware of because they're hard to find.
all i see here in new york is the base model which i have nothing shainst and some others

insurance is the main worry for me in honesty
Old 08-29-2014, 09:05 AM
  #27  
Three Wheelin'
iTrader: (2)
 
aIRpeACE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Philly, PA
Age: 38
Posts: 1,273
Received 95 Likes on 80 Posts
get your license and maturity first
Old 08-29-2014, 02:40 PM
  #28  
7th Gear
 
Sejanus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by NinjaNickNasty
it shows schematics.
is that what im supposed to see? o:
The schematic highlights all the pieces that you would be replacing with their kit. They do have a video, just poke around on the site.

An exhaust and CAI will run you around $2400. Turbo\Superchargers are around $5500 for the kit, and that's just entry level. Just look at www.heeltoeauto.com to look at prices for mods so you get a general idea of the costs.
The following users liked this post:
NinjaNickNasty (08-31-2014)
Old 08-31-2014, 07:45 AM
  #29  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sejanus
The schematic highlights all the pieces that you would be replacing with their kit. They do have a video, just poke around on the site.

An exhaust and CAI will run you around $2400. Turbo\Superchargers are around $5500 for the kit, and that's just entry level. Just look at www.heeltoeauto.com to look at prices for mods so you get a general idea of the costs.
oh okay thanks
might go with a carbon fiber dash kit depending on the color i get
Old 08-31-2014, 01:03 PM
  #30  
Safety Car
iTrader: (7)
 
vietxquangstah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: DALLAS TX
Posts: 3,806
Received 765 Likes on 550 Posts
Originally Posted by Sejanus

An exhaust and CAI will run you around $2400.
That's including PCDs/HFPC + J-Pipe + Cat-Back right?

Cat-Back exhaust alone is $1,000-$1,200
Old 09-03-2014, 04:58 PM
  #31  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sejanus
The schematic highlights all the pieces that you would be replacing with their kit. They do have a video, just poke around on the site.

An exhaust and CAI will run you around $2400. Turbo\Superchargers are around $5500 for the kit, and that's just entry level. Just look at www.heeltoeauto.com to look at prices for mods so you get a general idea of the costs.
turbo kits can wait lol
i's want to work from cheap to kits lol
Old 09-03-2014, 06:04 PM
  #32  
[x] FWCC [x]
 
tones160's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Connecticut
Age: 36
Posts: 743
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
hmmm lol...you remind me of me when i was around 19yrs old with my first car. I thought it was easy but it isn't. It's a big responsibility dude. The TL it self specially from 07-08 yrs will run you for your bucks despite the fact that it's one of the cheapest make when it comes down to others such as BMWs and Benz in terms of maintenance and modifications unless you're one of those rich kids lol.

Anyways, it's definitely a great car to have but if your looking to modify it you will need to do the following.

1. Get your license.
2. Buy the car and have insurance.
3. start with window tints or interior LEDs lighting.
4. CAI - Cold Air Intake
5. Then the big guns can follow after (rims, kits, suspension, turbo, computer mod, customized interior and such).

Bought the car 4 yrs ago and im still working on step 5 lol.
Old 09-03-2014, 08:00 PM
  #33  
Slot Machine Lubricator
iTrader: (2)
 
1black_seven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: KS/TX
Posts: 1,883
Received 404 Likes on 316 Posts
Here's some good advice on the CAI.

I installed a CAI on my TL that dips down into the bumper.
You have to be vigilant when it comes to driving during heavy rain. Puddles are no joke.
Old 09-04-2014, 11:43 AM
  #34  
[x] FWCC [x]
 
tones160's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Connecticut
Age: 36
Posts: 743
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Originally Posted by 1black_seven
Here's some good advice on the CAI.

I installed a CAI on my TL that dips down into the bumper.
You have to be vigilant when it comes to driving during heavy rain. Puddles are no joke.
I feel your pain dude. Specially here in NY/NJ..my speed goes from 25 to 10 when i see puddles and i don't even dare in stepping the gas pedal.
Old 09-05-2014, 10:23 PM
  #35  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tones160
hmmm lol...you remind me of me when i was around 19yrs old with my first car. I thought it was easy but it isn't. It's a big responsibility dude. The TL it self specially from 07-08 yrs will run you for your bucks despite the fact that it's one of the cheapest make when it comes down to others such as BMWs and Benz in terms of maintenance and modifications unless you're one of those rich kids lol.

Anyways, it's definitely a great car to have but if your looking to modify it you will need to do the following.

1. Get your license.
2. Buy the car and have insurance.
3. start with window tints or interior LEDs lighting.
4. CAI - Cold Air Intake
5. Then the big guns can follow after (rims, kits, suspension, turbo, computer mod, customized interior and such).

Bought the car 4 yrs ago and im still working on step 5 lol.
i know i just hate how the car price goes up everytime i check the price a tl s 07
runs from 12k-19k
and im like wtf!
sometimes i think im better buying a base model and starting it from the ground up.
I want the TL-s is because of the the sportiness
the seats, the extra power, the looks
but i dont know if its worth getting a base and buliding it
im not a fan of reps lol
Old 09-06-2014, 10:24 AM
  #36  
[x] FWCC [x]
 
tones160's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Connecticut
Age: 36
Posts: 743
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Originally Posted by NinjaNickNasty
i know i just hate how the car price goes up everytime i check the price a tl s 07
runs from 12k-19k
and im like wtf!
sometimes i think im better buying a base model and starting it from the ground up.
I want the TL-s is because of the the sportiness
the seats, the extra power, the looks
but i dont know if its worth getting a base and buliding it
im not a fan of reps lol
It's not much of an extra power as you think bro. It's only slightly more. I'll be converting mine into a type s lol ofcourse not touching the engine just the interior and exterior to make it look like one or better.
Old 09-07-2014, 10:39 AM
  #37  
10th Gear
Thread Starter
 
NinjaNickNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 14
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tones160
It's not much of an extra power as you think bro. It's only slightly more. I'll be converting mine into a type s lol ofcourse not touching the engine just the interior and exterior to make it look like one or better.
how much is that gonna cost you homie :0
Old 09-20-2014, 12:33 PM
  #38  
[x] FWCC [x]
 
tones160's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Connecticut
Age: 36
Posts: 743
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Originally Posted by NinjaNickNasty
how much is that gonna cost you homie :0
Well according to my research it will run me about $6k-$7k total.

Also doing a repaint of my current paint which i found a professional who would do it for $2k for me
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jspangan
ILX
19
08-30-2016 05:37 PM
IIDXholic
Car Parts for Sale
23
10-08-2015 07:53 AM
lland
Car Parts for Sale
6
10-04-2015 04:47 PM
datadr
5G TLX (2015-2020)
6
09-12-2015 09:12 PM
04tler
3G TL Problems & Fixes
0
09-10-2015 01:13 PM



Quick Reply: Questions, Tips And Pictures? Please



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:38 AM.