TLtrigirl

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^^you can now post your comparison with and without the RSB on aspec. it was a noticeable difference my stock RSB was essnetially the same one the type-s has. must...row...own....gears...lol.

jon2000

I got the rear sway bar and new Moog links installed! I haven't had a chance to really throw it into some curves since it's cold, salty and was getting dark but I did notice how planted the car seemed while taking off ramps and corners. I'm looking forward to getting my summers on and really trying this thing out.

tomlinsonj

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I thought about this as well when looking for an designated MT-ASPEC kit for my '06 MT. What if I could only find the MT kit in TypeS ASPEC, and what about the weight difference? Looking for curb weights of these models I found a Car & Driver review of the '04 ASPEC 6MT at 3543 lbs and a Honda News data sheet on the '07 TLS MT listed it at 3559 lbs, so under 20 lbs difference (you're right, the AT is the main factor for weight.) No biggie, so I searched for a MT kit, no matter what TL "type."

Disclaimer - I'm a bit OCD on the research before purchasing pricey items, so I am *very* grateful for the experience of fellow 6MTers sharing with me their ASPEC experience, what kit number they bought and why, ride height, handling characteristics, their discussions with parts people, and of course the Acurazine forum in general. They all gave me some insight before deciding on making the ASPEC suspension purchase

From the posts and PMs, I knew the 08W60-SEP-202A was supposed to be the latest part number for the original 200A kit that originally came out for MTs, but the Acura description for the 202A is "Kit, Sport Suspn" that it fits engine/trans "KA 5AT." So before purchasing this one I needed to know if there were any other true "MT-designated" kits tucked away somewhere. OCD search mode = On. I found that the 201B kit is listed as "Sport Suspns. Kit-MT" but doesn't have a model year. Interesting. So I went to my local dealer and had them look it up, there were a couple available but they told me that if I ordered it they couldn't refund me if I didn't like it "becasue it might be coming from Canada." That's weird, but WTH, I told them to price match it with the online listings and I'll order it. The kit arrived at the dealer a week later and the box was officially labeled 08W60-SEP-201B.

A fellow Aziner from a nearby town had a mechanic friend install his ASPEC suspension, so I took a short road trip and did the same. Here is how she sits a couple days after getting off the alignment rack (about 1/2" drop even for all corners, 245/40/18 at 39/37 psi / overexposed cell pic):

jon2000

^ Your car looks great with the A-Spec suspension. I checked my suspension kit part number and mine is the same as yours: 08W60-SEP-201B. I believe I purchased the kit from Curry Acura in July 2012.

Jon

TLtrigirl

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^^you guys are running slightly wider tires which also have a slightly bigger diameter which looks to be filling the gap a little more. dang it. not that i'm going to run out and buy new tires...i had enough aggravation from the last experience.

tomlinson-looks good

how are you guys liking the suspension and the RSB so far?

jon2000

Exactly!

235/40/18
Sidewall: 3.7in
Diameter: 25.4in

245/40/18
Sidewall: 3.9in
Diameter: 25.7in

I'm liking the rsb so far...looking forward to trying it out on some twisty back roads today and will do a high way run to see how she handles. It sucks that it's still cold and I'm on winters. :-(

tomlinsonj

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TLtrigirl, you're the bomb Thanks for suggesting the Progress RSB at the time of the ASPEC suspension install. Getting it all done in one shot proved to be worth it. On the ride home at highway speed the car handled great. Switching lanes was certainly like slotting over - no hesitation, nice and flat. As for in town driving, our roads are in pretty good shape, but when I hit some railroad tracks or a small section of bumpy roads, it's solid and composed. Taking some turns at intersections is pretty fun too - some slight initial body lean and then flat. Maybe the best way to describe it as the TL rides more like a Euro sports sedan.

Overall it's just what I was looking for - OEM engineered quality, modest drop, and performance that feels solid for everyday driving

As for tires, I plan on running these summer Michelin Pilot Super Sports year-round here in central FL. Is the next tire purchase for you going to be the 245/40s?

TLtrigirl

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dont' go too nuts since the ground is still cold and you're on winter tires. i'm sure you'll still be i just took my TL out for a little run. it's interesting since i just had a 4G TL AWD loaner for 3 days...the two handle similarly, but have their subtle differences (duh, they are two different cars and one is AWD vs FWD). if only the 3G came with SHAWD.

TLtrigirl

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more than likely i'll go with 245/40/18's instead, but it'll be a while unless i decide to sell the DWS tires and go with something else. i just don't really wanna hassle with it, my other hobby is sucking my wallet dry.

wanna send some of that FL warmth my way? i've been done with the winter crap for the last month now.

nfnsquared

Well, I think I'm about to join the club. During my compliance bushing replacement last week, I noticed that my right front shock is leaking. I'm a bit confused over part #'s though. From my research, which was confirmed by the two posts above, I thought that the 08W60-SEP-201B was the part # for non-Type S 6MT TL's.

However, Curry Acura is sell the 08W60-SEP-202A on Ebay as the kit for non-Type S 6MT TL's : http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-2008-Ac...5846c2&vxp=mtr . Every other listing I have seen for the 08W60-SEP-202A does not specify 6MT and every listing I have seen for the 08W60-SEP-201B clearly specifies 6MT.

Any insight on the Curry Acura Ebay listing?

P.S. FYI, the 08W60-SEP-201B can be had for $606 shipped now ( http://www.dchautomotiveparts.com/oe...08w60-sep-201b )

TLtrigirl

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^^when i bought mine...i confirmed with curry that the 202A was supposed to be for the 6MT.

so unless they really have no idea...i don't know what to tell you. maybe the 201B is the latest part number?? or it's old stock that got dug up. dealer parts depts don't seem to know.

i posted my parts number findings (all of them) for the aspec kit in a recent thread somewhere...

as i understood it, the "A" designated parts for 6MT.

TLtrigirl

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found it:

<<<after doing a little research... (what a novel idea)...

Aspec suspension parts numbers from what i gather:
last 4 digits-
...-200 (04-06 AT)= discontinued
...-200A (04-06 MT) = discontinued
...-201B (04-06 MT, may have superseded the prior part number 200A) =discontinued
...-200C (04-06 AT, again may have superseded prior part number 200) = discontinued
...-202A (07-08, per OEM parts stores (through acura parts data base NOT ebay ads), not designated for either AT or MT, will fit all 04-08 TLs) = the only one that seems to be available.

the 202A appears to be the only one available currently for the entire 04-08 TL lineup (regardless of tranny or base/type-s). descriptions off the OEM parts sites are vague at best. ebay ads are confusing.

IF one happens to find one of the earlier "discontinued" parts, more than likely the dealer or individual is selling old stock. most non-internet OEM dealers usually special order parts, since they do not want extra stock of items that do not move off their shelves.

unless someone else can verify (ie perhaps tim at peoria, a vendor here) what the current part number(s) for the available Aspec suspension for the TL (and if they differentiate from AT to MT and base to type-s) all we have is a little research and what people have been told.

i was told that the 202A part number superseded the prior 200A part number (per Acura dealer). they did not know why. most likely b/c acura consolidated the parts (cost savings) since the suspension kits weren't flying off the shelves and generally being purchased by enthusiasts which is a small % of the population of 3G TL owners.>>>>

so there are some 201B kits available...perhaps these were found sitting in the back storage rooms of some dealers?

nfnsquared

dunno. Curry's ebay ad claims it's for non-Type-S 6MT TLs only

In the end, it may not make any difference, but I'm intrigued by the part # issue and want to be sure I get the right part# for the 6MT due to the weight difference:

In this thread astl04 ordered the ASpec suspension for his 04 6MT in June 2012 from Curry and he received the 202A: https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=27

In this post jon2002 ordered the ASpec suspension kit for his 08 TypeS in July 2012 and Curry sent him the 201B: https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=44

tomlinsonj just ordered one from an unnamed dealer for his 2006 6MT and he received the 201B.

and dhcautomotiveparts.com lists the 201B as the part# for the 6MT and does not differentiate for the 202A, but says neither will fit an 04TL...

and there are plenty of listings online for the 201B.

Guess I'll be on the phone tomorrow morning

ROWDY621

Correct me if I am wrong, but won't all the above mentioned part numbers fit all 04-08 TL's? I have a 07 auto and I was looking at purchasing the 201-B suspension to achieve a even drop isn't that the case with manual aspec on an auto TL?

TLtrigirl

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^^yes, all the kits will fit all the 04-08 TLs.

tomlinsonj

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From what I understand - yes any 3G TL ASPEC suspension will fit any 04-08 TL.

As for your second question, MT aspec susp. kits on an auto TL is supposed to give slightly more drop in the front. As for AT aspec kits on an AT, I've seen it in person and think it looks good. The issue usually centers around whether you have an AT and want a slight "rake" look (get a MT-designated kit) or if you have a MT and want to get a part that is specifically designated as a MT application (hence the discussion about the evolution of part numbers, 202A, 201B, ebay claims vs. feedback from OEM dealers vs. internet parts descriptions searches.)

TLtrigirl summed it up pretty well.

I did a fair amount of research and just decided the 201B was the part number I wanted for my 6MT, if it could be found. My local Acura dealer found a kit, price matched one of the online sources, and I had delivered to the dealer after about 7 days.

nfnsquared

They'll fit, but the question is which part # matches which transmission... I don't want the AT part#. Other folks with AT may want the MT part# for added drop.

nfnsquared

Well, I've talked with 3 different Acura parts departments and two of the three are telling me the same thing: that the 201B is for 6MT and the 202A is for the AT. The 3rd is Curry Acura who claimed that the 201B was superseded by the 202A and that the 201B and the 202A were the same part, which is total BS according to the other two parts departments that I talked to (DHC Automotive and Buerkle Acura).

The other two parts departments both confirmed that the 201B is in stock, not discontinued, has not been superseded, and is for the 6MT. The 201B superseded the 200B.

They also confirmed that the 202A is in stock, has not been superseded and is for AT. The 202A superseded the 201A. It did not supersede the 201B, which is what Curry Acura told me.

Curry Acura told me the 201B and the 202A were the same part and that the 202A superseded the 201B.

Further proof of Curry's confusion would be indicated by the different part #'s that they shipped to 3 different members of this board who either had a 6MT or requested the 6MT part#:

tltrigirl, ~March 2011: requested the 6MT kit, Curry sent the 202A
astl04, June 2012: Curry sent a 202A for his 6MT
jon2000, July 2012: Requested the 6MT kit, Curry sent the 201B

ROWDY621

So I have an 2007 auto TL which kit should I get if I want a little more of a drop and even (not raked)????? Would the 201-B handle my needs?

nfnsquared

I'd go with the 201B based on what I was told today...

and Park Acura claims (claimed in Nov 11) that the 202A is for AT only:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Acura-07...p2047675.l2557

and still saying the same: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Acur...50499016367%26

jon2000

Yes the 201B would be perfect. I posted a couple pics further up in the thread as that is what I have on my 2007 auto Type S. Here's another really dirty/crappy pic I took yesterday. The winter tires are 235/45/17 (stock size). The ride is firm but controlled.

ROWDY621

How much did you guys pay for the install on these and where if you don't mind me asking?

jon2000

I had a mechanic buddy install mine so my price isn't really what others would normally pay. I would estimate somewhere in the $250-$300 range + around $80 for an alignment after. You could probably save a bit if you remove the rear deck and seat back yourself.

tomlinsonj

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I had a suspension shop quote $400 for install. I've read previous posts of Acura dealers charging $300-$800 (this is over a few years of threads). Per my previous post, a fellow AZiner put me in touch with a mechanic friend of his and I traveled to a nearby town to get the kit installed plus the install of my Progress RSB for $200. I did what I could (back seat removal, assisted when needed, etc) to help out.

TLtrigirl

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suspension install...closer to $500 or so at a tuner shop with an alignment, over $800 at the dealer with the alignment.

find a friend with air tools and plan to spend a good 2-3 hrs doing the install (minimum) and save a chunk of change.

crazy parts numbers... i'm still happy with my set up...though i wish my front end sat the 1/2 to 1/4 inch lower (it sat higher with my stock suspension as well). oh well.

nfnsquared

^^^ and hit all the bolts/nuts you can with PB a few days before you start. And with the right tools, no need to remove the seat back/rear deck.

tomlinsonj

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I agree with the stock steup - my 6MT sat 3/8" lower in the rear with the OEM suspension. After 1 week on the ASPEC 201B it's about even (measured center of wheel to top of wheel opening - 14 3/16" rear & 14 1/4" front) I think you have more of a drop from the kit than I do?

My overall drop from OEM is around 5/8" and I love the ride quality.

tomlinsonj

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Actually for a *non-raked* look and more even appearance per his request wouldn't the AT-specified kits be more of what Rowdy's requesting? Seems like 201B would be the way to go if he *wanted* some rake. I'm no expert, just

TLtrigirl

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i think my ass sits lower than yours. front 14 3/8" rear ~13 7/8"-13 3/4" (from when i measured for you, center of wheel to top of wheel well).

ROWDY621

I was told here on the forum that if you have an AT TL then you would want to go with a MT aspec kit for an lower even drop due to transmission weights. So wouldn't the 201-B (6MT model) be what I am looking for. Want to make sure before I purchase it?

zachlone

201B is for MT so yes thats the right one

tomlinsonj

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Yes. But in your previous post you said you wanted an even, not-raked look. Either kit should work well and have a modest drop, but the MT kit will drop the front on your TL a tad more than an AT kit. This results in a raked stance, and technically that's not "even"

nfnsquared

For more drop, yes. But then you may or may not have a rake issue.... Do a search and find photos of members with AT and the 201B to get an idea if there is any/enough rake to bother your taste.

zachlone

just a fyi... ive been doing some research. you can do koni yellow shocks. and use your stock springs and it will lower you 20mm or .78" on the lowest perch. which is about the same as the aspec kit. You can get all 4 konis for $493.68!

06TLASM

I'm considering between Koni shocks with stock springs combination and Aspec kit as well since I need to replace my leaked front shock soon. Do you have this setup or pic to show would be appreciated?

ROWDY621

^^ Yeah I would be intrested in a pic of this set-up as well anyone?

zachlone

No I dont have this setup Im just trying to help you out in your decision. sorry no pics here

Benny12

Can someone confirm 08W60-SEP-202A will fit a 05 AT base? I emailed Tim at OEM acura parts and was told "That part number shows that it fits 2007 and 2008 AT. Beyond that, I can only speculate......."

From reading the posts above indications are it will fit my 05 AT.

TLtrigirl

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^^yes. all interchangeable.

GUILOTINE

Good information