5nowman

hi sorry if i posted in the wrong section i've never really used forums before but anyway i just got a 08 tl type s yesterday and i would like to put a sub in it. i really want the jl audio 12w7 in the h.o. box but will that fit in my trunk or do i have to go to the 10w7 in the h.o. box for it to fit?

justnspace

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Here's a thought....
measure your trunk.

then look at dimensions of box.
then compare the two.

natedoggydog

Yes! The 12w7 fits in my 05 base TL. Its easier if you take the black trim piece off the entrance at the bottom of the trunk. That sub box is a total pain in the butt to measure since it has the crazy length and different slope front to back.

aaronkel

I have 2 12's in my trunk no problem

natedoggydog

What amplifier are you going to use to drive it? Your probably looking at quite a cost to wire properly(unless you do it yourself). Pac audio makes a great product that will tap into the sub wire in the trunk and need no messing with the stock amplifier.

justnspace

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i found the dimension of the box from a mustang forum....I just typed in google....jl12w7 H.O. box

(H) Height 17.0 in.
(W) Width 34.0 in.
(D1) Depth 20.5 in
(D2) Top Surface Depth 14.5 in.



tape measure is your friend.

natedoggydog

Its not about the tape measure justnspace. Its about overall dimensional size of a trapezoidal object. Unless hes an engineer hes not gonna figure it out. Stop the rude tape measure bs.

jda123

Both should fit, but there are other options that will get louder, sound better and use a smaller box so that you can save some of your trunk. Search around.

natedoggydog

Im interested as to which are better. ?? jda.

jda123

Sundown
MMats
Digital Designs
Morel
FI
RE Audio

There are many more that I am leaving out.

I have used Digital Designs 3500 and FI BL and they will blow away a W7 in SPL, SQ and price. I have heard most of these others and they are the same way. I think that you can have either of those in a max 2.5 cu ft box that you can build to fit back up in your trunk better.

Isn't that HO box like 5+ cu ft or something?

The W7 in HO box is a fine setup, just wanted to mention this in case space was an issue for you... and then mention that you will not have to sacrifice sound or loud.

jda123

Oh, you can also build a much smaller box for a 12w7 and it will sound just fine.

natedoggydog

Yeah the box is huge and takes up most of the trunk. Ive had mine forever. I think I actually got the first one in kansas city believe it or not in like 2000. Still runs like a champ. DD makes good stuff and mmats. More spl stuff if i remember correctly. My guess was that he already has the w7 in the box. I just wouldn't want to have to pay $250 for someone to build me a box or go through the hassle of having jason design me one and then build it.

eggyhustles

Dont use the shitty box it comes with

jda123

There are some plans on JLs web site for a 23x15.5x15.5 ish box for a 12w7 at 1.75 cubic feet. No idea if the design is any good, but I would give it a try if you need a little trunk... but trunk is a big deal to me.

That W7 in no way resembles a SQ sub - it is a semi-SPL sub too. If you think that it sounds good, you would be blow away by some others. Those others that I listed are SPL subs that most would argue offer more SQ than a W7.

Trunk Monkey

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He's giving the guy the dimensions for the box...helpful if anything! I mean seriously, there's only 2 ways to see if something "fits" and that's too actually try it (not possible) and measure.

This

This! I had 2 DD 3510d's off a PA a3000db in my truck and they POUNDED! If you can shell out for JL then you can get DD and most will agree that DD will outshine JL any day of the week. The Sundown SA is also a great sub as well as the Audioque SDC/HDC. Audioque/Sundown will be much cheaper than a w7 and get louder while sounding better (if in proper box)...subjective of course. If you want a VERY nice SQ sub that will still hit the lows, check out the FI Q.





If that's true that the H.O. box is 5cu.ft. then that's ridiculous! Build a box (very easy) to the specific cu.ft. and tune it to what you'll like. No reason to pay someone $250 when you can build it for $50...and that's getting all the materials. Kinda redundant now that the OP hasn't posted but in the off chance he comes back...if you haven't already bought the w7 i'd look at other options that will save you money and help you with a box build/amp (if needed)/amp kit/install/etc.

5nowman

thank you all for your replys.....yes i was thinking of getting a dd 9500 g series a while back but a guy said they are loud but play really ruff and he owned one plus i dont know of any place around my area that can build me a box the, only place i can think of around here is car toys and they want alot of money for everything they do it seems like so i kinda just wanted to buy that sub because i heard its good and it comes in its own box built to specs

5nowman

thanks thats good to know do you have any pics of it? i was wondering what it'll look like in my trunk and what you did about the trim piece.....oh and i plan on using the 1000/1

Trunk Monkey

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Lol he told you it played "rough"?? DD's can get VERY! loud but can still retain very decent SQ if you'd like them to. My 3510d's sounded much much better than my JL w3v3's but I also had a true 1K watts on each compared to about 250 to each JL (both in well built/to spec boxes). Getting that DD would have been nice if the price was right but when getting a sub like that it is a power hog. The 9500 can be run daily on 2500-3000.

About boxes, like I've said, you can build your own for a measure $50-$75. If you didn't want to build it then a shop should charge you no more than $200-250 for a custom ported box to fit/to specs. If you're dead set of the w7 H.O. setup then go for it b/c it's already been said that it fits. Unless your getting this for dirt cheap then I'd look the small list of ID companies listed above b/c honestly you can do better for the money.

5nowman

thanks i was looking at the enclosure for a dd 9512g on fatboxusa.com check it out.....what do u think? is that box good for a 9512g?

jda123

I have never used one of those boxes, but I have heard that they are pretty nice.

If you really want a 9500, you should look at something bigger than a 1000/1 to drive it. Otherwise, you have too much sub.

Trunk Monkey

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Never heard of those boxes so I can't comment. Are they pre-fab or what?

Also, what jda is true. If you go with the DD you'll need 2 of those amps at least lol. You'll prolly want to do the big 3 (upgraded electrical)

5nowman

no supposedly they arent pre-fab but yea i was thinking oabout my eletrical do u know how many amps the stock alternator is?

jda123

I never found out for sure, but around 130 amps. I know that somebody knows the answer, but I don't.

I can run about 1300W of 90% efficient power (so it would need 1444 of power from the alternator) and I only dim the lights at near full volume when the seat heaters are on along with the lights. I chose the amp that I did somewhat because of this efficiency - I did not want a 2nd battery or a HO alternator unless I had to have one.

If you are going to use a JL slash series for an amp, they are very inefficient since they adjust rail voltage to give the same output sourcing from 11 to 1.45V volts and outputing from 1.5 to 4 ohms. I have a 1000/1 and I tested it at 62% efficient needing about 1750 watts to put out the 1100 that it does - I have no idea if they are all like mine, but JL does not list a efficiency rating that I have ever seen. A true BD class amp are more efficient and would likely be less prone to dim the lights... of course, there are all kinds of amps, so choose carefully. Efficiency usually means more money... but it is only money, right?

eggyhustles

wow@comparing the w7 to a dd sub

Sure the dd is louder, but the jl would sound 489593849384 better

DiamondJoeQuimby

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Are you referring to the JL H.O. box for the W7 as shitty? Are you high?

eggyhustles

Yeah. A box tuned in the 40's for maximum output is shitty for a daily setup.

Nick337

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i agree with u

Trunk Monkey

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If your looking at DD's 95 series and JL w7....your likely not too worried about pure SQ. Ive heard plenty of DD setups and they can sound very good. Hence why I said SUBJECTIVE! These woofers are in separate classes though...one can be run on 750-1500....one would eat 1500 like candy. There are plenty of subs that will get louder, sound better, or both! It depends on many factors but never did I compare it to a w7. Once again, it's subjective...but if your looking at these 2....your gonna need twice the power for the DD....same class?

eggyhustles

I don't even know why the dd 95 was bought up. They don't really compare. The W7 is an SQ oriented driver capable of high output. The dd 95 is an SPL driver that can sound decent on music. Apples to oranges.

jda123

I compared a 3500 to a W7. Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have a 3500, or even a 2500, over a W7. I don't think that the W7 sounds all that great and would classify it just above average for the 12 and 13 - I do think that the 8 and 10 W7s sound very good and are well above average. I do think that the W6 sounds very good, but struggles with high power - this is JLs SQ sub IME. Again, this just might be me.

I don't know where the 9500 came from, other than the OP asked about a box for it. If you are asking about a 9500 with a box with a 2" face, then SQ is probably out the window for most.

I also think that the JL HO box is terrible. It is huge and I have seen it get worked by some boxes that a few kids threw together after an afternoon in their garage and a trip to Home Depot with an internet box spec.

natedoggydog

I prefer my w7. I like a good mix of bass on every type of song and I hate sealed boxes. It also pounds when i want to listen to rap. Yes the huge ho box does take up most of my trunk but I dont really use my trunk for much, just an occasional canoe trip.

The w7 is also quite efficient, whereas the DD is a power hog. We could sit here all day long and argue back and forth but its personal preference. I am sure I could build a different box that is smaller and probably sounds better but I dont want to spend the time or the money. I am using an old ppi art series a600.2 to drive the sub and it sounds great. Keep in mind this sub is also ten years old and have been using it for most of the time. It still sounds great. I also have a 10w7 that I put in from time to time when I need more space. The 12 gets more response so I keep it in there. I really would like to get my batcap reinstalled in there sometime. It definitely improves the sound overall if anyone has ever wondered whether it works. I am attaching a picture. The 10w7 in the ho box does fit much better and still provides you with some extra space. It slides right in between the wheel wells perfectly and is much easier to take in and out.

I just removed the trim piece to manuever the sub in.(just easier) and then put it back afterwards. The trim piece on the back side of the trunk where the latch for the trunk lid goes.

jda123

It is totally personal preference. All that matters is that you are happy with what you have... because this stuff costs a lot of money so you better enjoy it.

If you want to buy some 4 (assuming that you are using 4) and bring that batcap over to LS, I will install it for you...assuming that you need somebody to do it. Just PM me if you do.

natedoggydog

I have the old original batcap 300, its probably ten years old now. Do you work for a store front? I spoke with ray the other day and I am debating whether to buy a new one or just keep the one I have. He was telling me that its really passed its prime of optimal life span. I wish there was way to test how well it is working because batteries plus coudn't tell me much. It is a noticeable difference with it wired in. I can do it myself but it is very kind of you to offer to help.

Trunk Monkey

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That JL box looks close to the size of my box in my trunk. Mine is a 3 cu.ft. b4 displacement

Guess I need to look up how this JL box is made b/c I dunno about the 5cu.ft. deal

jda123

They are 17x36 in front. The top is 14.5 and the bottom is 20.5. I don't remember the formula for a trapezoid off the top of my head, but that is 4.85 exterior using the top and 7.26 exterior using the bottom, you can probably split the difference at 6.05 externally since the angle is constant. Since I can never figure out how much port area it has and what it is made out of, you can subtract whatever you want from that figure. In any case, it is big.

DiamondJoeQuimby

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That hardly makes it a shitty box. That makes it a box that doesn't fit what you'd like to have in your car, which is personal preference. Big difference.

That said, I prefer the w7s sealed, with a ton of power, not the HO box.

jda123

How much is a ton? I am interested. I never tried one sealed. Hmmm...might have to make a box.

DiamondJoeQuimby

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Kinda depends on what you listen to, and how you listen, but on a 12, 750-1000 RMS good clean power.

natedoggydog

That big box for the 12 is akin to trying to get a huge big screen down a curving staircase. The measurements say it should fit but in reality you wont know until you try it. It all about finding the angle that will let you swing it into place. I had an Accord before this TL and it will not fit in a 1994 honda accord sedan. Weighing 119 lbs does not help trying to get it in either. That picture of my trunk...that sub does NOT just slide in there. It takes a lot of angling.

Trunk Monkey

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This is the box I built. I just wish I would have taken the time to measure the height...I got a little excited and just started building haha. It doesn't go all the way up to the seats b/c it hits the rear deck....though I think I might have something under my carpet with the spare b/c it has a slight slant to it. Might have to build another or do a little fabricating, prolly the latter.

Net volume: 3cuft
Tuning: 30Hz
Port Area: 45(15"Hx3"W)
Dimensions:16.5H"X20D"x28W"

5cu.ft though..... That's a little over board don't ya think? I mean the recommendations are 1.75cu.ft give or take a few....but not 3.25cu.ft. lol. What gives?


I think he means that a box tuned to 40hz for daily won't do anything but be boomy and sound...meh. Your SQ will likely be degraded also. That's more of an SPL/comp. tune than a quality daily tune that will sound good and have solid SQ while still having plenty of SPL and hitting the lows.

Never heard the w7 sealed....how does it change from ported? I know the obvious answers but in your opinion...?