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Old 05-13-2014, 02:46 PM
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It'll be a turbo-4 front-wheel drive roadster to compete with the BMW Z2

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Originally Posted by qingcong
What's the point, to just bash Honda products because it's the in thing to do?
For someone who had never owned a s2000 and probably never even drove a s2000, or probably don't even know how to drive stick to say former s2000 owners bashing Honda?

You see something wrong there?

There is something you just don't mess with with niche cars like s2000.

Imagine M3 becomes AWD Hybrid, or Miata becomes FWD. M3 and Miata owners will have the same reaction.

Noob.
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yeah, give it another name. a new model.
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Originally Posted by qingcong
AWD vs RWD. Whatever, either is good for a performance sports car. AWD offers more flexibility.

Hybrid - face it, the future is in EV technology. This isn't Prius technology. Electric motors produce more linear torque especially in the lower revs where the gas engine is weak. Hybrid sports car is a great idea, it just hasn't been executed well until recently.

350hp sounds great.

Mid engine sounds awesome.

Hardtop vs. convertible. Whatever, who cares. Hardtop is more practical. I don't like convertibles. I have long hair and it's annoying riding in convertibles.

To me, everything about it sounds fine except the $60k part. Woah!
+1 for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say you've never done corners with controlled oversteer in a RWD vehicle. Doing so without a roof and a manual transmission is a matter of visceral feel, sights and sounds.

Sure there are cars that 'go faster' but are they as fun? Those same bozos bash a Miata without taking one on a track.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
It'll be a turbo-4 front-wheel drive roadster to compete with the BMW Z2

Soo.. a convertible CR-Z? That probably would have sold better to be honest than the hatch.
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If Honda release the AP2 out again without ANY changes, i will get one tomorrow.
White with black/red interior and keep it forever.

YES it is that good.
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This is what current S2000 owners have to say.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1083...acement-rumor/

about the same as us.
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I think the main issue is that the article is saying along the line that this 2017 AWD hybrid 350hp hard top coupe will be a S2000 replacement.

In a sense, this is a S2000 replacement because it will be a more affordable sports car offered by Honda , relative to the NSX.

If we see it as a like to like replacement of the original S2000, then obviously we will all be disappointed.

For me, I simply see this a new relatively affordable sports car that fits Honda's current philosophy of being green while having the potential to be a really fun car.

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Then call it something else. just don't call it a S2XXX
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I think the main issue is that the article is saying along the line that this 2017 AWD hybrid 350hp hard top coupe will be a S2000 replacement.

In a sense, this is a S2000 replacement because it will be a more affordable sports car offered by Honda , relative to the NSX.

If we see it as a like to like replacement of the original S2000, then obviously we will all be disappointed.

For me, I simply see this a new relatively affordable sports car that fits Honda's current philosophy of being green while having the potential to be a really fun car.
They should just call it a Honda Beat or something similar. Since they've already made a MR convertible.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Then call it something else. just don't call it a S2XXX

Exactly, if they call it something else they won't be getting grief from S2000 fans. BTW, I own a manual car.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
+1 for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say you've never done corners with controlled oversteer in a RWD vehicle. Doing so without a roof and a manual transmission is a matter of visceral feel, sights and sounds.

Sure there are cars that 'go faster' but are they as fun? Those same bozos bash a Miata without taking one on a track.

I've no doubt you S2000 owners and fans have the charms you love about the car. All I'm saying is, from an objective point of view (not being biased from previous experience), the preliminary specs on this car seem pretty cool. Change the name and all's good.
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Shouldn't this be an Acura anyways? It makes A LOT MORE sense to slot another sports car under the NSX then have this sitting next to base Civics and Odysseys in Honda dealerships.
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I have no qualms with Honda making it AWD, assuming it's with their new ePAWS or whatever. I would imagine it has amazing handling capability. They'll make it fun to drive. If it's mid-engine, I'm confident it will be amazingly balanced.

Won't lie though, if in typical Honda fashion they made a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder with more output than anything else out there on the market, then added in RWD... that would be very impressive. As I said in another thread, if an S2000 successor was currently out, I might be driving that now

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Shouldn't this be an Acura anyways? It makes A LOT MORE sense to slot another sports car under the NSX then have this sitting next to base Civics and Odysseys in Honda dealerships.
I guess they need a halo car of sorts. At the moment the Civic Si is probably what comes to mind as Honda's sportiest car. I agree it might be better of as an Acura - hard pill to swallow if it's really going to be around $60k.
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as a former s2000 owner i sorely miss the simplicity of the vehicle. turbo + awd + hybrid would be amazing for sure, but certainly not for me
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Then call it something else. just don't call it a S2XXX
Agreed, the S-cars, to my knowledge (S600, 800, 2000) were all simple light roadsters; keep it that way.
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
Shouldn't this be an Acura anyways? It makes A LOT MORE sense to slot another sports car under the NSX then have this sitting next to base Civics and Odysseys in Honda dealerships.

Yep, I was thinking the same as well. It's an exercise in technology, which was the original purpose of Acura. The only problem is, Acura has kind of screwed themselves on their whole naming convention thing. They're running out of letters to put in front of "?SX" that still sound cool.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Then call it something else. just don't call it a S2XXX
Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
They should just call it a Honda Beat or something similar. Since they've already made a MR convertible.
Originally Posted by qingcong
Exactly, if they call it something else they won't be getting grief from S2000 fans. BTW, I own a manual car.
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Agreed, the S-cars, to my knowledge (S600, 800, 2000) were all simple light roadsters; keep it that way.
To be fair this is all just a rumor and Honda never came out and said this is the new Honda S2000.
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
Shouldn't this be an Acura anyways? It makes A LOT MORE sense to slot another sports car under the NSX then have this sitting next to base Civics and Odysseys in Honda dealerships.
^I agree. That way I'll have something interesting to look at while I'm in the dealer.
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To be fair this is all just a rumor and Honda never came out and said this is the new Honda S2000.

Sometimes I speculate that industry people purposely spread some rumors to get a litmus on what people think about a hypothetical product. I would not be surprised if Honda purposely "leaked" this info so that they could get public feedback in the form of forums like this and the comments on news outlets like carbuzz, automobile mag, car&driver, etc. I mean, if it was just hearsay, I don't think there would be this amount of detailed info on it.
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I wouldn't be surprised by that at all. I'd think that's a pretty economical way to get real world feed back from people who like cars. Of course, whether the information collected is good enough for the accountants is a different story.
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I'd be surprised, considering some of the products they've released in the last few years.
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Honda apparently does care about enthusiasts again!

I am on board for a new sporty Honda.
Not giving up my S2000 for it, though.
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Originally Posted by qingcong
Sometimes I speculate that industry people purposely spread some rumors to get a litmus on what people think about a hypothetical product. I would not be surprised if Honda purposely "leaked" this info so that they could get public feedback in the form of forums like this and the comments on news outlets like carbuzz, automobile mag, car&driver, etc. I mean, if it was just hearsay, I don't think there would be this amount of detailed info on it.
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I wouldn't be surprised by that at all. I'd think that's a pretty economical way to get real world feed back from people who like cars. Of course, whether the information collected is good enough for the accountants is a different story.
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I'd be surprised, considering some of the products they've released in the last few years.

I too would be surprised if they did. IF Honda/Acura did that they might not have some of the sedan debacle they have with Acura
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Honda just needs to re-release the AP2 with an optional hard top and they can have all my money.
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Originally Posted by dom
I'd be surprised, considering some of the products they've released in the last few years.
Originally Posted by fsttyms1

I too would be surprised if they did. IF Honda/Acura did that they might not have some of the sedan debacle they have with Acura
which goes back to what i was saying, there ware probably people in the company who collect the feedback, and might get some support in different departments. But there ought to be some people who would oppose.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo

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"FWD-biased AWD" can offer better performance but it is definitely not as fun as RWD, not even close.

But RWD-biased AWD can just be as much fun as RWD.
Fixed in blue color.
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um, that gets too complicated.

because the key word is "can be" but i can think of so many more RWD fun cars than AWD(rear based) cars.

Elise, s2000. RWD vs... all the RWD based AWD cars that i can think of right now are cars with good performance, fun? um.... not so much.

GTR - ridiculously fast and i love it but is it more fun to drive than Miata, s2000? i am not so sure.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
um, that gets too complicated.

because the key word is "can be" but i can think of so many more RWD fun cars than AWD(rear based) cars.

Elise, s2000. RWD vs... all the RWD based AWD cars that i can think of right now are cars with good performance, fun? um.... not so much.

GTR - ridiculously fast and i love it but is it more fun to drive than Miata, s2000? i am not so sure.

AWD is more fun than RWD because of bald all season tires.
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AWD is more fun than RWD because of bald all season tires.
What.
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S'more tidbits on the S2000 possible return...

According to a recent report, Honda has green-lighted an S2000 successor.
Details are limited but Motoring says the model will be a coupe with a mid-mounted engine. This would be a radical departure as the previous S2000 was a front-engine roadster.

Regardless, the website says the car will use a revised version of the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine that powers the Civic Type-R. It will reportedly be backed up by an electric motor which will give the model a combined output of roughly 365 bhp (272 kW). The powertrain is slated to be connected to seven-speed dual-clutch transmission which sends power to the rear wheels.

If everything pans out, the S2000 successor will be built alongside the Acura / Honda NSX at the company's new Performance Manufacturing Center in Ohio.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11408017...e-a-mid-engine
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
S'more tidbits on the S2000 possible return...

Details are limited but Motoring says the model will be a coupe with a mid-mounted engine. This would be a radical departure as the previous S2000 was a front-engine roadster.

Regardless, the website says the car will use a revised version of the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine that powers the Civic Type-R. It will reportedly be backed up by an electric motor which will give the model a combined output of roughly 365 bhp (272 kW). The powertrain is slated to be connected to seven-speed dual-clutch transmission which sends power to the rear wheels.
I'll believe it when I can test drive one.
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S'more tidbits on the S2000 possible return...



http://www.worldcarfans.com/11408017...e-a-mid-engine
so.... that sounds very expensive. 360hp turbocharged hybrid.....

i am not too happy with the rumored specs and probably the price but at least it is still RWD.

I might be interested....
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Sounds like Boxster performance (with Boxster pricing)
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Sounds like a competitor to the upcoming Supra. Two turbocharged hybrid 4-cylinders. Interesting...
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I don't think that should be called a S2000 replacement. MR + electric motors -> that sounds more like a cheaper NSX to me. 365hp at 3200lb wouldn't be too bad I guess. Hoping the price will be below USD$50k if this news is true.
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More RWD coupe? I like it.
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mmmmmmmmm

I'm 150% sure it's vaporware though.



Honda S2000 sports car to return as Mazda MX-5 rival | Autocar

Honda S2000 sports car to return as Mazda MX-5 rival


Iconic S2000 badge to return on a new rear-drive roadster, which will be powered by turbocharged 1.5 and 2.0-litre engines; Type R version possible




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by John McIlroy

7 December 2015


Honda is taking aim at the Mazda MX-5 and Fiat’s forthcoming 124 Spider by developing a successor to its popular S2000 roadster, company insiders have revealed.
Introduced in 1999, the original version of the Japanese manufacturer’s two-seat roadster garnered a reputation for its strong powertrain and lively handling, but the second edition of the car was axed in 2009.

Now a third generation is said to be under development as Honda tries to reconnect with the S2000’s dedicated fan base. Representatives from Honda’s advanced engineering department are said to have attended a recent S2000 owners’ club event in the British Isles - a sign that the firm wants to listen to enthusiasts in order to help it to position the next version of the car accurately.

The new S2000 will stay true to the original’s principles of a front-mounted engine, sited behind the axle line, and rear-wheel drive. It will be pitched as a faster alternative to the MX-5, although its performance should be more of a match for that car’s stablemate, the forthcoming Fiat 124 Spider, which uses a 1.4-litre turbocharged engine instead of the Mazda’s normally aspirated 1.5 and 2.0-litre units.
Honda has a number of powerplants under consideration for its roadster. More basic editions of the car could be powered by a retuned version of the firm’s forthcoming 1.5-litre turbocharged petrol engine. The four-cylinder unit has VTEC variable valve timing and produces around 150bhp in the Japanese-market vehicles it powers. This is likely to be ramped up to around 180bhp for the most modest S2000, giving the car around 25bhp more than the most powerful MX-5 and beating the US-market 124’s 158bhp.

This would leave scope for a hotter variant that could use a detuned version of the Civic Type R’s 306bhp 2.0-litre turbocharged engine. It would also feature more extreme suspension and chassis settings, including a rear limited-slip differential, and could give Honda a useful extension to its Type R sub-brand, as well as a rival for the more potent, Abarth-badged 124. All versions of the car would feature a short-throw six-speed manual gearbox.

The biggest obstacle in the way of the S2000 replacement is the absence of a suitable platform. Honda is committing to a new global architecture for front-wheel-drive cars, including the next generation of Civic, which is due on sale in the UK in 2017, but its opportunities to spread the costs of a rear-wheel drive chassis are more limited.
It is therefore likely to pitch the car as a more expensive rival to the MX-5 in a bid to maintain workable margins, with pricing starting north of £20,000. It could slot the model into the line-up of its premium Acura brand in the United States, where it would be a rival to BMW’s next Z4 and the Audi TT Roadster.
Honda has been working on a number of sports car projects as it looks to rebuild its reputation as a manufacturer of enthusiasts’ models as well as more mainstream products and capitalise on its struggling F1 programme with McLaren.
It is understood that a mid-engined, turbocharged ‘baby NSX’ is also under consideration, but company officials have prioritised a return to the open-top two-seater market.
Honda’s global boss, Takahiro Hachigo, recently revealed that despite the NSX’s trick hybrid set-up, future sports cars from the company would not all need to have electric motors in their powertrains. “Whether or not we develop a hybrid depends on the type of car,” he said. “It is not the case that we have a fixed notion that a sports car always has to be a hybrid.”
Honda has decided that the diminutive S660 roadster that’s sold in Japan would not have a broad enough appeal to justify homologation in other markets. Hachigo said: “If there is strong demand from a region then we will always consider possibilities, but the S660 is a car that was developed for the Japanese market and we’d have to do a lot of work on it to make it comply with European regulations. I also wonder: would a car like this, sold in Asia, succeed in Europe?”
He did admit that Honda was considering sports cars beyond the NSX, however. “We are receiving requests from our regions who are saying they would like more sports cars, so we are considering ways to do that,” he added.
Engineers have also been working on a four-motor, all-electric sports car, as demonstrated by the SH-AWD CR-Z that finished 11th in this year’s Pikes Peak hillclimb in Colorado, but the commercialisation of that project faces a number of challenges, not least the cost of the lithium ion battery technology required to deliver the targeted range of 300 miles per full charge.Hachigo admitted that Honda had damaged its image by “abandoning” products such as the S2000 that had a strong reputation and hardcore fan base. The firm did have plans for a successor to the second generation of the car, but these were scrapped in the midst of the global automotive and financial crises in 2009.
It is believed that the firm’s European boss, Toshiaki Mikoshiba, has been given specific targets to improve continuity and nurture customer retention, as well as reducing the gap between product launches in Japan and the US and the arrival of those cars in Europe. The new HR-V and Jazz — plus the newly launched US-market Civic — are seen as prime examples of cars taking too long to reach European customers.
“We need consistency to build the brand,” said Hachigo. “We want to enhance the cars that we’ve already introduced. We are also working so we can introduce models more quickly to Europe. It’s a very important market for us.”
Honda is the latest Japanese brand to publicly state its goal to produce more cars that are fun to drive, although if the firm does get a new, rear-wheel-drive S2000 to market on its own, it will be bucking the recent trend for joint developments. Mazda and Fiat collaborated on the MX-5 and 124, while Toyota joined forces with Subaru to get access to the boxer engines that give the GT86 the handling agility that was the focus for the project.
Toyota is also working with BMW on a sports car platform that’s expected to underpin different sizes of car. BMW will place it under the next Z4 and its Japanese partner will use it to underpin a larger coupé that could carry the Supra badge.
However, some Japanese manufacturers are developing standalone sports car projects. Mazda is working on a rotary-engined successor to the RX-7 and RX-8 and Nissan is considering an expansion of its Z sub-brand.
The cars the new S2000 must beat
Fiat/Abarth 124 Spider - Sister car to the MX-5, the 124 Spider has more power and torque thanks to Fiat’s 1.4 turbo Multiair engine. UK-spec 124s will have a 138bhp engine at launch, but sources are speaking about an Abarth version with at least 168bhp, a more focused chassis and the option of a fixed roof.
BMW Z4 - BMW had been considering a baby front-drive roadster, but that project is on hold, so the next Z4 will remain the firm’s smallest drop-top for now. It’ll be spun off a platform developed with Toyota, although the Japanese brand is expected to use the architecture to build a larger model.
Nissan Z-Car - While Nissan’s Gripz concept shows how it plans to extend the Z line-up to include crossovers, that car is seen as an extension to the sub-brand, not a replacement for the rear-drive sports car. Expect the next Z to use a turbo four-cylinder engine and cost less than the outgoing 370Z.
Mazda MX-5 - No-frills roadster has received widespread acclaim in its latest generation, which makes do with modest 1.5 and 2.0-litre normally aspirated engines but sheds weight to ensure decent performance and fantastic handling agility. Its pricing could make the Honda look expensive, too.
Alpine A120 - Reborn French brand’s two-seater is due next year. It will use a 250bhp 1.8-litre turbo engine, but a 300bhp version is also planned. Hardcore dynamics will appeal to the enthusiasts Honda hopes to snare with the S2000, but the A120 will cost more, with prices starting at about £30,000.
Comment - would the S660 work in Europe?
Honda does have a drop-top sports car in its line-up, but only in Japan - and it should really stay there. The S660 is a kei car, designed to beat Japanese vehicle tax rules, and as such it is (a) tiny and (b) modestly powered by a 660cc engine.
We had a chance to try the car on the eve of this year’s Tokyo motor show, and while it has some fine characteristics, including a particularly sweet short-throw gearshift, it would also be outgunned pretty much anywhere outside of town.
Even if you did have the patience to get it up to motorway speeds, the extreme wind buffeting would probably persuade you to back off.
The cabin is minuscule, too, and anyone more than 6ft tall would struggle to find a comfortable seating position. Honda’s bosses say the costs of homologating the car for sales outside Japan couldn’t be justified by the potential sales, and for all the S660’s charm, we’re inclined to agree. If the firm wants a genuine rival for roadsters such as the MX-5 and 124 Spider -the car that it freely admits its regions are asking for - it’ll need to try harder.


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