Formula One: 2014 Season News and Discussion Thread
07-28-2014, 01:28 PM
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Yeah Aman, it will be distinctive for sure. Equal drivers in equal cars always makes for some interesting competition. I see this year being the last year Lew and Nico actually speak to one another instead of through their press agent.
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07-28-2014, 01:30 PM
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I saw that too Legend and agree. It's really amazing how the MBZ drivers seem to only be pissed at each other race after race. I think that's a result of feeling entitled to win each and every race. Its not a new phenomenon as F1 drivers are the most selfish bastards on the planet and always have been.
read: Senna/Prost & Mansell/Piquet
read: Senna/Prost & Mansell/Piquet
In 1984, McLaren won 12 of 16 races and both championships. Prost and Lauda worked very well together, shared all data (IIRC they were required to for race, but they also went beyond that and shared testing and evaluation as well), and most importantly they never had any on track incident. Not friends off track but they were great teammates, who respected the other and both were equals in the team. Prost learned alot from Lauda. That all changed with Senna coming to McLaren, once on and off track agressiveness became prevalent the acrimonious atmosphere came to McLaren camp, from then on it was more or less two tier driver team.
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07-28-2014, 02:18 PM
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Yes, all it took with the Senna/Prost pairing was for Senna to break his word about who would win-whomever got to the corner first. On a re-start, Senna shot in front of a bewildered Prost who never forgave him.
07-28-2014, 03:00 PM
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And besides Senna breaking his promise, the Honda engineers had different ECU PROM's for their engine mappings. That annoyed Prost greatly and felt he wasn't being treated fair within the team. To add injury to insult, Prost advocated Senna to Dennis who originally was more interested in Piquet.
07-28-2014, 04:34 PM
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I've heard that ECU rumor before and read an interview with Honda-san who vehemently denied it. In fact it was Senna who said Prost was getting the better engines/mapping
07-28-2014, 07:15 PM
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Im glad LH didnt just move over so he could pass. Rossberg wasnt anywhere near close enough, nor do i think he had a chance to get to 1st.
07-28-2014, 07:41 PM
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Sometimes this is understandable, because these F1 drivers are all out there fighting for the championship, they are not out there to make friends.
07-29-2014, 09:20 AM
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In the end, although Honda san said the motors were identical the Honda F1 motor lead Takeo Fukui (who would later become their CEO) said there were differences in the engine mappings for Senna and Prost in 1989. But he also pointed out it for their driver style (Senna more punchy and stabbing, Prost more smooth). However he said the engine power was the same, something Prost disputed.
The Honda engineers also adored Senna, he had been at Lotus the year before with Honda motors and knew a few of them pretty well.
So when there were more Honda engineers over his side of the garage it also annoyed Prost.
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07-29-2014, 10:55 AM
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Flavio Briatore is back
07-29-2014, 02:30 PM
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NO fan would ever wish a driver harm, no matter how much of a "dickhead" he is vwong. That's fuckin' bullshit dude.
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07-29-2014, 04:14 PM
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07-29-2014, 05:54 PM
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07-29-2014, 09:17 PM
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Cheering to see a driver get knocked out of session / race is one thing. I did that whenever it happened to Vettel in the past couple seasons.
Cheering to see a driver suffer bodily harm is a completely different matter.
As Chief said. No motorsports fan would ever wish that on any driver, in any racing discipline.
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08-01-2014, 08:44 AM
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Ferrari engine boss Marmorini leaves team
08-01-2014, 09:51 AM
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The way the firings go on in F1 reminds me of this scene:
08-01-2014, 12:10 PM
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I honestly dont think Lewis was going to move over even if Nico had been right up under his gearbox and thats Lewis' choice. When you are trying to win a championship and have your rival down, you dont just let them past you.
After this, I feel like its going to be game on and gloves off at Mercedes. Personally, I love it and look forward to just how bitter this fight is going to become over the rest of the season and I agree with those who say that one of these drivers isnt going to be with Mercedes for long because this kind of drama and hostility is only going to bring the Mercs down.
08-01-2014, 12:13 PM
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I swear half the people on the Ferrari team are named Luca.
08-01-2014, 01:39 PM
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Hey, if that name is good enough for the Chairman, why isn't it good for the rest of the team? 
08-04-2014, 07:10 AM
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08-05-2014, 03:32 AM
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then again, everyone being named "Luca" could add to the rampant confusion seemingly present at the Scuderia.
08-05-2014, 08:24 AM
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08-10-2014, 12:20 PM
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Then again maybe the problem is with Luca, and top Luca that is.
Ferrari suffers from serious errors of vision - Costa
http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsp...ry/170747.html
I wonder if once Todt/Brawn/Schumacher/Bryne left Ferrari reverted back to their old ways of mismanagement and poor organization
Ferrari suffers from serious errors of vision - Costa
http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsp...ry/170747.html
I wonder if once Todt/Brawn/Schumacher/Bryne left Ferrari reverted back to their old ways of mismanagement and poor organization
08-13-2014, 09:43 AM
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Drivers salaries Formula 1 2014
no big surprises
In 2014, the average salary of an F1 driver is € 6.2 million, or 1.4 million more than last year. The 14 pilot season affect minium 1 million salary. Two more than last year.
Salaries F1 paddock 2014 :
1. Sébastian Vettel (Red Bull) : €22 million
2. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) : €22 million
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) : €22 million
4. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) : €20 million
5. Jenson Button (McLaren) : €16 million
6. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) : €12 million
7. Felipe Massa (Williams) : €4 million
8. Nico Hulkenberg (Force India) : €4 million
9. Romain Grosjean (Lotus) : €3 million
10. Pastor Maldonado (Lotus) : €3 million
11. Sergio Perez (Force India) : €3 million
12. Adrian Sutil (Sauber) : €2 million
13. Kevin Magnussen (McLaren) : €1 million
14. Valteri Bottas (Williams) : €1 million
15. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) : €750.000
16. Jean Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso) : €750.000
17. Jules Bianchi (Marussia) : €500.000
18. Esteban Guitiérrez (Sauber) : €400.000
19. Danii Kvyat (Toro Rosso) : €250.000 euros
20. Max Chilton (Marussia) : €200.000
21. Kamui Kobayashi (Caterham) : €150.000
22. Marcus Ericsson (Caterham) : €150.000
- I assume Pastor salary comes direct from his Venezuelan oil sponsor.
- Kimi is overpaid
- Nico also overpaid
- Daniel and Valteri are really underpaid, but that will change next contract
In 2014, the average salary of an F1 driver is € 6.2 million, or 1.4 million more than last year. The 14 pilot season affect minium 1 million salary. Two more than last year.
Salaries F1 paddock 2014 :
1. Sébastian Vettel (Red Bull) : €22 million
2. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) : €22 million
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) : €22 million
4. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) : €20 million
5. Jenson Button (McLaren) : €16 million
6. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) : €12 million
7. Felipe Massa (Williams) : €4 million
8. Nico Hulkenberg (Force India) : €4 million
9. Romain Grosjean (Lotus) : €3 million
10. Pastor Maldonado (Lotus) : €3 million
11. Sergio Perez (Force India) : €3 million
12. Adrian Sutil (Sauber) : €2 million
13. Kevin Magnussen (McLaren) : €1 million
14. Valteri Bottas (Williams) : €1 million
15. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) : €750.000
16. Jean Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso) : €750.000
17. Jules Bianchi (Marussia) : €500.000
18. Esteban Guitiérrez (Sauber) : €400.000
19. Danii Kvyat (Toro Rosso) : €250.000 euros
20. Max Chilton (Marussia) : €200.000
21. Kamui Kobayashi (Caterham) : €150.000
22. Marcus Ericsson (Caterham) : €150.000
08-13-2014, 10:06 AM
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no big surprises
in 2014, the average salary of an f1 driver is € 6.2 million, or 1.4 million more than last year. The 14 pilot season affect minium 1 million salary. Two more than last year.
salaries f1 paddock 2014 :
1. Sébastian vettel (red bull) : €22 million-overpaid ("op")
2. Fernando alonso (ferrari) : €22 million-?
3. Kimi raikkonen (ferrari) : €22 million-op
4. Lewis hamilton (mercedes) : €20 million-proper
5. Jenson button (mclaren) : €16 million-op
6. Nico rosberg (mercedes) : €12 million-proper
7. Felipe massa (williams) : €4 million-proper
8. Nico hulkenberg (force india) : €4 million-underpaid
9. Romain grosjean (lotus) : €3 million-won't get paid
10. Pastor maldonado (lotus) : €3 million-better hope vzn pays lotus won't
11. Sergio perez (force india) : €3 million-proper
12. Adrian sutil (sauber) : €2 million-underpaid
13. Kevin magnussen (mclaren) : €1 million-underpaid
14. Valteri bottas (williams) : €1 million-vastly underpaid
15. Daniel ricciardo (red bull) : €750.000-extremely underpaid
16. Jean eric vergne (toro rosso) : €750.000-proper
17. Jules bianchi (marussia) : €500.000-underpaid
18. Esteban guitiérrez (sauber) : €400.000-proper
19. Danii kvyat (toro rosso) : €250.000 euros-vastly underpaid
20. Max chilton (marussia) : €200.000-get out
21. Kamui kobayashi (caterham) : €150.000-leave already
22. Marcus ericsson (caterham) : €150.000-are you gone yet?
- i assume pastor salary comes direct from his venezuelan oil sponsor.
- kimi is overpaid
- nico also overpaid
- daniel and valteri are really underpaid, but that will change next contract
in 2014, the average salary of an f1 driver is € 6.2 million, or 1.4 million more than last year. The 14 pilot season affect minium 1 million salary. Two more than last year.
salaries f1 paddock 2014 :
1. Sébastian vettel (red bull) : €22 million-overpaid ("op")
2. Fernando alonso (ferrari) : €22 million-?
3. Kimi raikkonen (ferrari) : €22 million-op
4. Lewis hamilton (mercedes) : €20 million-proper
5. Jenson button (mclaren) : €16 million-op
6. Nico rosberg (mercedes) : €12 million-proper
7. Felipe massa (williams) : €4 million-proper
8. Nico hulkenberg (force india) : €4 million-underpaid
9. Romain grosjean (lotus) : €3 million-won't get paid
10. Pastor maldonado (lotus) : €3 million-better hope vzn pays lotus won't
11. Sergio perez (force india) : €3 million-proper
12. Adrian sutil (sauber) : €2 million-underpaid
13. Kevin magnussen (mclaren) : €1 million-underpaid
14. Valteri bottas (williams) : €1 million-vastly underpaid
15. Daniel ricciardo (red bull) : €750.000-extremely underpaid
16. Jean eric vergne (toro rosso) : €750.000-proper
17. Jules bianchi (marussia) : €500.000-underpaid
18. Esteban guitiérrez (sauber) : €400.000-proper
19. Danii kvyat (toro rosso) : €250.000 euros-vastly underpaid
20. Max chilton (marussia) : €200.000-get out
21. Kamui kobayashi (caterham) : €150.000-leave already
22. Marcus ericsson (caterham) : €150.000-are you gone yet?
08-13-2014, 01:29 PM
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no big surprises
In 2014, the average salary of an F1 driver is € 6.2 million, or 1.4 million more than last year. The 14 pilot season affect minium 1 million salary. Two more than last year.
Salaries F1 paddock 2014 :
1. Sébastian Vettel (Red Bull) : €22 million - underpaid
2. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) : €22 million - overpaid
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) : €22 million - overpaid
4. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) : €20 million - ok
5. Jenson Button (McLaren) : €16 million - overpaid
6. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) : €12 million - underpaid
7. Felipe Massa (Williams) : €4 million - overpaid
8. Nico Hulkenberg (Force India) : €4 million - ok
9. Romain Grosjean (Lotus) : €3 million - underpaid
10. Pastor Maldonado (Lotus) : €3 million - underpaid
11. Sergio Perez (Force India) : €3 million - underpaid
12. Adrian Sutil (Sauber) : €2 million - overpaid
13. Kevin Magnussen (McLaren) : €1 million - ok
14. Valteri Bottas (Williams) : €1 million - underpaid
15. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) : €750.000 - underpaid
16. Jean Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso) : €750.000 - underpaid
17. Jules Bianchi (Marussia) : €500.000 - underpaid
18. Esteban Guitiérrez (Sauber) : €400.000 - underpaid
19. Danii Kvyat (Toro Rosso) : €250.000 euros - underpaid
20. Max Chilton (Marussia) : €200.000 - overpaid
21. Kamui Kobayashi (Caterham) : €150.000 - underpaid
22. Marcus Ericsson (Caterham) : €150.000 - overpaid
- I assume Pastor salary comes direct from his Venezuelan oil sponsor.
- Kimi is overpaid
- Nico also overpaid
- Daniel and Valteri are really underpaid, but that will change next contract
In 2014, the average salary of an F1 driver is € 6.2 million, or 1.4 million more than last year. The 14 pilot season affect minium 1 million salary. Two more than last year.
Salaries F1 paddock 2014 :
1. Sébastian Vettel (Red Bull) : €22 million - underpaid
2. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) : €22 million - overpaid
3. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) : €22 million - overpaid
4. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) : €20 million - ok
5. Jenson Button (McLaren) : €16 million - overpaid
6. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) : €12 million - underpaid
7. Felipe Massa (Williams) : €4 million - overpaid
8. Nico Hulkenberg (Force India) : €4 million - ok
9. Romain Grosjean (Lotus) : €3 million - underpaid
10. Pastor Maldonado (Lotus) : €3 million - underpaid
11. Sergio Perez (Force India) : €3 million - underpaid
12. Adrian Sutil (Sauber) : €2 million - overpaid
13. Kevin Magnussen (McLaren) : €1 million - ok
14. Valteri Bottas (Williams) : €1 million - underpaid
15. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) : €750.000 - underpaid
16. Jean Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso) : €750.000 - underpaid
17. Jules Bianchi (Marussia) : €500.000 - underpaid
18. Esteban Guitiérrez (Sauber) : €400.000 - underpaid
19. Danii Kvyat (Toro Rosso) : €250.000 euros - underpaid
20. Max Chilton (Marussia) : €200.000 - overpaid
21. Kamui Kobayashi (Caterham) : €150.000 - underpaid
22. Marcus Ericsson (Caterham) : €150.000 - overpaid
Most underpaid person is Maldonado. It takes supreme skill to bilk your own government into spending on worthlessness.
08-13-2014, 02:01 PM
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08-18-2014, 09:07 PM
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Max Verstappen will race in Formula 1 at the age of 17 when he joins the Toro Rosso team next year, the Red Bull-owned squad announced on Monday.
The Dutchman, currently competing in the Formula 3 European Championship, will join Russian Daniil Kvyat, replacing Frenchman Jean-Eric Vergne. Verstappen, the son of former grand prix driver Jos, had joined the Red Bull F1 junior program just last week. He has won seven F3 races in his maiden season of car racing, having competing in karting until last year.
Verstappen will become the youngest ever driver to be on the F1 grid when he races in next year's Australian Grand Prix. The previous record holder was Jaime Alguersuari, who made his GP debut at 19 years and 125 days of age, also with Toro Rosso. Verstappen's teammate Kvyat made his debut this year at the age of 19.
The Dutchman, currently competing in the Formula 3 European Championship, will join Russian Daniil Kvyat, replacing Frenchman Jean-Eric Vergne. Verstappen, the son of former grand prix driver Jos, had joined the Red Bull F1 junior program just last week. He has won seven F3 races in his maiden season of car racing, having competing in karting until last year.
Verstappen will become the youngest ever driver to be on the F1 grid when he races in next year's Australian Grand Prix. The previous record holder was Jaime Alguersuari, who made his GP debut at 19 years and 125 days of age, also with Toro Rosso. Verstappen's teammate Kvyat made his debut this year at the age of 19.
17 years old and racing in F1.
08-18-2014, 11:53 PM
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08-21-2014, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PlanetF1
Now Rossi will race for Marussia
Following on from Caterham announcing Andre Lotterer for Spa, Marussia have now also swapped a driver with Alexander Rossi coming in.
Rossi joined Marussia last month as their reserve driver and was done to take part in a Friday pracitce or two.
But in light of 'contractual issues' with Max Chilton, will now contest the Belgian Grand Prix wekeend.
"It goes without saying that I am thrilled to be given the opportunity to race in Formula 1 for the first time and I cannot thank the Marussia F1 Team enough for the faith they are demonstrating in me," said the American.
"It's a very big moment for me and there's a lot to prepare in a short space of time, but on the other hand I have felt ready for this for quite a while now
"It is also exciting to be given this opportunity at such a fantastic and historical circuit as Spa-Francorchamps. I can't wait to drive the MR03 from tomorrow and I hope to reward the team with a solid race weekend."
Meanwhile team principal John Booth confirmed that Rossi's run in the car would end as soon as Chilton's situation is resolved.
He said: Although it was not our intention to offer Alexander the possibility to race this season, in light of the circumstances we are pleased to be providing him with the opportunity to make his grand prix debut at this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix in Spa-Franchorchamps.
"Naturally we hope to resume normal service with respect to our established race driver line-up as soon as possible, but for now we wish Alexander well for the weekend ahead and we look forward to seeing him in action."
Following on from Caterham announcing Andre Lotterer for Spa, Marussia have now also swapped a driver with Alexander Rossi coming in.
Rossi joined Marussia last month as their reserve driver and was done to take part in a Friday pracitce or two.
But in light of 'contractual issues' with Max Chilton, will now contest the Belgian Grand Prix wekeend.
"It goes without saying that I am thrilled to be given the opportunity to race in Formula 1 for the first time and I cannot thank the Marussia F1 Team enough for the faith they are demonstrating in me," said the American.
"It's a very big moment for me and there's a lot to prepare in a short space of time, but on the other hand I have felt ready for this for quite a while now
"It is also exciting to be given this opportunity at such a fantastic and historical circuit as Spa-Francorchamps. I can't wait to drive the MR03 from tomorrow and I hope to reward the team with a solid race weekend."
Meanwhile team principal John Booth confirmed that Rossi's run in the car would end as soon as Chilton's situation is resolved.
He said: Although it was not our intention to offer Alexander the possibility to race this season, in light of the circumstances we are pleased to be providing him with the opportunity to make his grand prix debut at this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix in Spa-Franchorchamps.
"Naturally we hope to resume normal service with respect to our established race driver line-up as soon as possible, but for now we wish Alexander well for the weekend ahead and we look forward to seeing him in action."
Awesome to Rossi is going to get his first shot at F1 this weekend.
08-21-2014, 06:46 PM
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Driving a superbike and driving a F1 car, are not quite the same thing in nature.
08-21-2014, 09:10 PM
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You have the right Rossi I hope.
08-21-2014, 09:15 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentino_Rossi
Valentino Rossi (Italian pronunciation: [valenˈtiːno ˈrossi]; born 16 February 1979) is an Italian professional motorcycle racer and multiple MotoGP World Champion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand...cing_driver%29
Alexander Rossi (born September 25, 1991 in Auburn, California) is an American racing driver who competes in single seater formulae.
08-22-2014, 12:43 AM
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Sorry, my mistake on Rossi's identity.
It's the picture of Valentino Rossi testing for Ferrari F1 back in 2010, just kept coming up inside my head.
It's the picture of Valentino Rossi testing for Ferrari F1 back in 2010, just kept coming up inside my head.
08-22-2014, 10:15 AM
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That was quick. Rossi is out and Chilton is back in.
08-24-2014, 07:50 AM
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Huge implications if Hamilton finishes with no points.