CapoTL

this kit should be offered to the dealers to install as an option

jnc2000

Thanks man - I've thought about it, but honestly as a DD putting 40-50K miles a year I'm much more tempted to build NA.... but you never know what the future holds.

maddogtheta

I'm 80% sure that I'm going to pull the trigger on getting this installed in my car, the only things that I'm waiting to find out is the actual total cost to getting this installed, and then I want to make sure that my the TL can handle the power without breaking 6 months down the road from the supercharger.

Majofo

Rough estimate w/ tune & meth will probably be around $12k if you don't do the install yourself. Reliability..

maddogtheta

I'm definitely going to have to do some more research on both points, at this point it's a fun project to think of having done to my TL.

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

Wow, I was thinking 6k max for a SC. Guess I'll have to stick to cheaper mods...

maddogtheta

the kit is probably going to be 5k based on ct-e's other sc kits prices, I'm not sure where the other 7k Majofo estimated is going.

jnc2000

Tuning - meth - install

SC shouldn't take more than a day to install..

And honestly you guys that get it really need to think HARD about meth injection and knock monitoring.

GoosedTL

I think a good turbo setup will be better!

CapoTL

I just dont see a turbo kit being right for this car, to me its a luxury car(or adleast the most luxury car I ever owned). It wouldnt feel or sound right to me, be a little bit too ricey for my taste. A supercharger would fit the bill nice. As long as the kit is all bolt on and the setup and tuning is rock solid it would compliment the car nicely. I dunno just my opinion.

jnc2000

For those that are interested in a little reading..

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...meth+injection

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...meth+injection

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...meth+injection

Majofo

It'll take a easy going weekend if you add meth injection, battery relocation, intercooler, injectors, aftermarket knock sensor, guage mounting (afr, boost, knock) with the S/C and aem fic install. I think most of you guys can do it.. far less cumbersome than installing a turbo and it'll save you at least $1-2k. The next progression would be reducing exhaust restriction, but that's another weekend. Getting the tune down will be a lot more effort.

You AT guys will probably want to do type-f ATF w/ magnefine filter and atf cooler (not sure if you 4G guys already have a cooler or not). I think transfer case and rear diff fluid discussion would be a good to have as well. The rear diff is the last thing you want to fuck up. It'll be more expensive than replacing the transmission.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Mpg will go down a bit (may be 5-10% in normal driving?). It won't be a huge difference though. After all, mpg depends on many other factors such as weight of the car, aerodynamics, gearing, driving habits, etc. If you drive hard though then yes mpg will drop a lot because the engine is sucking a lot more air in and you need more fuel to burn.

Mr Marco

$12k is a lot of money. Other than for the love of the TL, wouldn't one be better off just to buy a 550+hp CTS-V?
I'm reserving my usual save your money quote on this one because you all have my vote for more hp on the 4G.

kdawg8526

iTrader: (3)

^ thats what i was thinking too i love the cts-v its a beast but that thing just guzzles the gas like no tommorow cant afford that with the rising prices of gas too nowadays

Mr Marco

^good point. That is a 6.2ltr? I never considered that.

maddogtheta

Lots of good reading, I definitely feel like I'm better equipped to ask mostly the right questions about the supercharger for the 2010 TL. Hopefully as CT-e gets closer to releasing the retail version there will be more info regarding what they used for engine management (although I'm pretty sure Rob said they used AEM FIC) I'm definitely interested in finding out what the extra power does to the rear diff and transmission and clutch as well.

Pseudomaniac

iTrader: (1)

I'm thinking there's ever so close to 400 crank horse to be had out of the J37 - just needs a tuneable ECU or an EMS to dial in the fuel and timing after all the bolt-ons.

maddogtheta

I just got back from Acura of Lynnwood having the CT-e axle back exhaust installed on my car (pics later today as well as a short review.). I was able to talk more to Rob about the SC. He was estimating that the SC could be installed at ~6k basing this off of the cost of previous model SC installs. They are using the AEM FIC for engine management which is able to control the AF ratio and I assume other stuff as well.

The SC'd TL wasn't available today so I wasn't able to get any pics or videos this time. I have to say that I'm very excited to see how the SC does on the 09-12 TL's. Rob says that so far the TL has been holding up very well to the boost which he said was ~6psi.

docboy

Nice. Keep us updated!

I'm curious to know if the supercharger would add any wear/tear on the tranny and clutch, or it the SC is completely irrelevant to the tranny/clutch.

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

Giggling like a girl and saying excellent like Mr. Burns.

Majofo

docboy

Per Acura on the 4G TL 6MT:

In creating the manual transmission....the transmission would be paired with the largest and most powerful engine in Acura history, additional modifications were required to handle the increased torque output of the 3.7L engine. In addition, since the 6-speed transmission was an all-new design...The 6-speed transmission uses a heavy-duty die-cast aluminum case that houses a mainshaft that is 14-percent larger in diameter compared to the mainshaft used with the TL Type-S 6-speed manual transmission...
The gears feature improved design including being treated to glass beading and water jet blasting to smooth the outer metal surface as well as to reduce stress risers. First gear synchronizers are a triple cone design, Third and Fourth gear synchronizers feature 5.9-percent higher torque capacity, Fifth and Sixth gear synchronizers feature 9.1-percent higher torque capacity...

If Acura had to re-engineer the manual transmission to handle the torque of 3.7L engine, I find it prudent to ask what affects and wear (if any) the SC will have on the tranny if I were to spend $6k. MHO.

jnc2000

Bottom line... you gotta pay to play. The car was engineered within 80% of a theoretical limit (I'm just throwing that number out there)... if you exceed the engineered capacity of a part such as the drivetrain, clutch, axle, piston, rod etc.. you pay.

This is the big leagues boys and girls. Don't drop $6k on a SC, additional money on tuning and installation... then complain if something breaks and you don't have the money. As with anything performance related the possibility for something to go wrong IS REAL. If you can't admit that, don't buy the part - stay OEM and you'll have a nice reliable car.

maddogtheta

^ Definitely good advice, I'm definitely curious about the wear and tear aspect, I'm hopeful that running low boost and not doing constant hard starts and street racing (I never street race, I'm not about to endanger other drivers and I'm about to be dad...), the SC would not put catastrophic amounts of pressure on the wrong components. But like jnc2000 said, you have to pay to play.

I'm definitely going to keep up with Rob at Acura of Lynnwood on the condition of their prototype, apparently the person who gets to drive the car every day drives it hard.

Pete2010

I agree. The tranny i'm not so worried about. It'd be the clutch (i'm guessing require a stronger one, or maybe a stronger pressure plate?)

And also how strong the rear end is - if it can take the added torque.

We can check with the 3G side of things to see on the tranny/clutch stuff, but not on the rear diff.

maddogtheta

Unfortunately I think that it's going to be a wait and see what happens to early adopters.

I would also think that restricting the amount of hard starts from a stop and heavy racing (on a track) would help to keep any damage from being catastrophic. I wonder if there's a better rear diff fluid that could be used to help control heat and friction?

The guys at Acura of Lynnwood didn't seem to worried about it when I was asking about any possible weak points that would need to be addressed. Of course I am by no trying to put words in their mouths or claim exactly what they said, just my perception from the conversation.

Six Shifter

I don't know if anyone will consider this relevant or not, but keep this in the back of your minds ...

It was the unreliability of the CT SC - coupled with some serious problems with getting CT support when failures occurred - that caused some very mod-friendly dealerships here on the East Coast (Park Avenue in NJ and Tischer in Laurel MD to name a few) to get out of the aftermarket business all together. The SC in question was the one used in the 3.2 CL Type-S's.

Pete2010

Although I believe that the CT SC for the NSX didn't void the factory warranty (because it was so solid). So I think it could go either way...

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

How many miles have been put on the test car since the SC has been on?

GoosedTL

If the setup for the SC can be tuned and worked out to 100% I will consider buying it. I dont know how they are treating the test vehicle but I want to say I would beat on her just a little and increase that over time. I would assume we want to identify any potential issues that can arise from daily drivers who are hard on their cars. I know I have a lead foot and I dont want to have issues that can be avoided with the right testing.

GoosedTL

Oh and one more thing for 6,000 I need more of an increase than that. So when this baby hits its potential like I said I will strongly consider it!

rob_acuraoflynnwood

We got the car with 120 miles on it. We have put on about 800 more. We should have several thousand by the time this kit hits the streets.

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

I don't want to come off as having a negative demeanor as I'm already crazy about the possibility of a SCer, but is there anyway we can safely up the power to more than 90 whp to better justify this?

rob_acuraoflynnwood

As I didn't make this kit you are not hurting my feelings with these questions.

With that said. This is one of the highest producing kits that CT-E has made to date. It made this car what it should be like from the factory. Plus remember that this is a bolt-on kit that should be as reliable as factory. I don't know that you would be able to go much more on stock internals but time will tell. Someone will always try to push the limits (maybe us )

Pete2010

Any chance of some more pics or vids? I'm dying to see/hear this thing.

rob_acuraoflynnwood

Sorry we have not taken the car to our local dyno yet. And still haven't gotten a better pic than the one my cell phone. We have it set for next week.

FallenTSX

Is this going to be CA legal? I know with superchargers, chances are that they meet CARB standards is nominally high. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

-DeL

maddogtheta

I'm definitely interested to see the numbers. I'm more interested in getting a supercharger in my TL...

rob_acuraoflynnwood

To date all the CT-E superchargers in stock boost form have been CARB Legal.