Honda, Ford, GM see double-digit sales declines in May; Toyota also down slightly

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Honda, Ford, GM see double-digit sales declines in May; Toyota also down slightly

Honda, Ford, GM see double-digit sales declines in May; Toyota also down slightly - - By DALE JEWETT | Automotive News - - Source: Autoweek

DETROIT -- Auto sales in May dropped 8.0 percent as Ford Motor Co., General Motors and American Honda Motor Co. posted double-digit drops. But Nissan North America continued its winning ways.

Sales totaled 1.49 million units in May, down from 1.63 million units in May 2004. Through the first five months of this year, sales totaled 6.89 million units, down 1.0 percent from 6.96 million units. The seasonally adjusted annual sales rate for May, according to the Automotive News Data Center, is 15,905,610.

GM sales fell 12.6 percent in May to 386,688 units. The automaker's sales of light trucks, which include pickups, SUVs and minivans, fell 14.9 percent for the month. Car sales fell 9.0 percent.

GM responded to the sales decline by launching a new incentive program that enables all customers to get the GM employee discount, on top of other incentives, on almost all 2005 models. The program runs through July 4.

Toyota falls

Even Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. recorded a rare sales decline in May. Total sales of Toyota, Lexus and Scion vehicles reached 201,493 units, down 0.5 percent from May 2004. Through five months of this year, Toyota sales are up 10.2 percent.

DaimlerChrysler saw its sales fall 2.5 percent in the month to 232,394 units. Year-to-date sales are running 3.5 percent ahead of last year, though.

The going remained tough for German automaker Volkswagen and its Audi division. Combined sales of Volkswagen and Audi fell 34.2 percent to 23,072 units in May. For the year to date, sales are down 18.7 percent.

Honda, Ford down

American Honda sales fell 14.7 percent to 122,169 units in May, as car sales for the Honda Division dropped 24.1 percent. Accord sales fell 29.6 percent in the month, while Civic sales dropped 30.5 percent.

For the year to date, American Honda sales are down 0.7 percent to 565,948 units.

Ford sales dropped 10.6 percent in May, due mainly to another large decline in truck sales.

Ford also said it plans to build 730,000 vehicles in the third quarter, a 2.3-percent cut from its output in the same quarter last year. Third-quarter production this year will be split 71 percent trucks and 29 percent cars, vs. a 74 percent trucks and 26 percent cars split a year ago.

In May, the automaker sold 282,837 vehicles. That tally includes Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo. For the year to date, Ford's sales totaled 1.32 million units, down 5.7 percent from the same period a year ago.

Sales of the automaker's best-selling SUV, the Explorer, were off 35.2 percent. The automaker sold just 19,539 Explorers in May, compared with 30,165 in May 2004. For the year, Explorer sales are off 25.2 percent.

Nissan, Hyundai see gains

Nissan North America sales rose 6.6 percent in May to 93,519 units. Nissan Division was propelled by a 19-percent jump in Sentra sales and a 6.3-percent rise in Altima sales. Sales of the Pathfinder SUV climbed 169.5 percent as the redesigned model reached showrooms in significant numbers. Infiniti sales for the month fell 0.6 percent.

For the year to date, Nissan North America sales are up 14.0 percent to 449,942 units.

The Hyundai Group, which covers Hyundai and Kia, saw a slight 0.2 percent sales increase in May to 65,919 units. Sales for the group are up 9.4 percent since the start of this year.

Among other automakers reporting May sales:

>>> BMW sales fell 3.1 percent in May to 26,961 units. But sales are up 1.8 percent for the first five months of this year compared to the same period a year ago.

>>> Mazda sales fell 3.2 percent in May to 26,657 units. Since the start of the year, Mazda sales are down 0.6 percent.

>>> Mitsubishi sales fell 30.5 percent to 11,380 units. For the year to date, sales are down 38.4 percent.

>>> Porsche sales rose 27.4 percent in May to 3,291 units. Year to date, sales are up 5.2 percent.

>>> Subaru sales of 14,475 units in May were up 1.4 percent from a year ago. Through the first five months of this year, sales are up 4.6 percent.

>>> Isuzu sales fell 37.4 percent in May to 1,221 units.
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Even Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. recorded a rare sales decline in May. Total sales of Toyota, Lexus and Scion vehicles reached 201,493 units, down 0.5 percent from May 2004.

If all auto sales in May dropped 8% and Toyota's fell 0.5%, I say that's a big win for Toyota. Once again.

Same for DC (fell 2.5%).
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The going remained tough for German automaker Volkswagen and its Audi division. Combined sales of Volkswagen and Audi fell 34.2 percent to 23,072 units in May. For the year to date, sales are down 18.7 percent.
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Nissan Division was propelled by a 19-percent jump in Sentra sales


How the hell did that happen?

and a 6.3-percent rise in Altima sales.
...and how can the Sentra have a bigger increase than the Altime?

Mitsubishi sales fell 30.5 percent to 11,380 units. For the year to date, sales are down 38.4 percent.

How low can one go...
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See Isuzu:


Isuzu sales fell 37.4 percent in May to 1,221 units.
I'm surprised they are still selling vehicles in the U.S.
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From MINIUSA PR:
Demand for MINI brand automobiles remained high in May. MINI USA reported that May 2005 sales jumped 16 percent, with 3,878 cars compared to 3,355 sold a year ago. Sales of MINI automobiles in the first five months of 2005 are up 23 percent with sales of 18,372 cars over the 14,916 cars reported in 2004.

In contrast to MINI, BMW lost some sales ground due to the production ramp-up of the new 3 series:

BMW of North America, LLC reported a 5.7 percent dip in May sales of automobiles and Sports Activity Vehicles, to 23,048 vehicles compared to the 24,432 reported last May. The all-new 2006 3 Series went on sale May 6th and while demand for the two new 3 Series sedans is strong, inventory is still low as production ramps up.

The BMW Group (BMW and MINI brands combined) reported year-to-date sales of 117,844 vehicles, an increase of 2 percent compared to the 115,737 vehicles sold that month in 2004. The BMW Group also reported May sales of 26,926 vehicles, down 3.1 percent from 27,787 sold in the same period of 2004.
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Nissan Division was propelled by a 19-percent jump in Sentra sales

Originally Posted by gavriil


How the hell did that happen?



...and how can the Sentra have a bigger increase than the Altime?




How low can one go...
....I just paid off my 02 Maxima and the wife and I are considering a Sentra 1.8S for daily beater with our current NMAC preapproval. Bottomline: It's a solid econo-car that can be acquired for about $11k with discounts and rebates. (But its definitely not in the same league as the Civic and Corolla.)

Right now, Nissan is VERY trendy with the car buying public. Even that tired 6MY old B15 platform.
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Nissan is an absolute MONSTER right now. Period. Aside from Hyundai's 0.2% increase, everyone fell. That's incredible.
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Nissan is a monster. I still cant believe the margins they get on a per car basis.
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Nissan is a monster. I still cant believe the margins they get on a per car basis.
Yeah. Well, Ghosn's a genius. I think the margins are a direct result of the desirable product Nissan's produced since he's come on board.
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These results are viewed differently from the perspective of the monthly Honda sales press release. Honda uses a daily selling rate calculation to adjust their sales. This contributed to their proclamation of a 0.9% drop for the year and a 7.6% drop for May. A 10.1% drop for Honda and a 9.1% increase for Acura over the month and a 0.4% drop and 8.7% increase over the year, respectively. I suppose to Honda, the great job that the Acura division is doing coupled with an only 0.4% decrease overall compared to record-breaking 2004 sales is fine for right now.

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Guess all those gas guzzlers aren't selling as well as people thought they would...

But it looks like the fuel savers are starting to pick up steam...
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Nissan is a monster. I still cant believe the margins they get on a per car basis.
I agree, he really has buyers fooled. All the cars share just about something in one shape way or form, so they cost less to build compared to most car makers. He gives the cars styling that is different. Then he prices them above or at least what competitors charge, even though they cost less to build.

Thus the HUGE profit Nissan/Renault has seen. It is genius.
Nissan is like the Japanese GM/Ford when it comes to sharing and cheap interiors but Nissan's VQ is superior to every engine they pretty much make and their marketing is HELLA better.

Ghosen has promised all Renaults/Nissans will share 8 platforms!! They will continue to be a profit machine!! And they are putting the money into something good, the next Nissan GT-R!!!!
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So what does GM need to do to bring Gohsn and his lutenants over?
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nissan may have a jump on their own sales, but they still dont sell anywhere near the amount Honda and Toyota sells, even with their sales drop
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Originally Posted by gavriil
So what does GM need to do to bring Gohsn and his lutenants over?
Alot of fuckin' money. Plus, complete autonomy. CEO and Chairman of the Board. Let him run wild and he'll get things done... Le Cost Killer would start slashing jobs like nobody's business. But, he'd have to contend with legacy costs, the damn union, etc. That's why I don't think they'd take the job. He'd rather build Renault/Nissan to GM's level instead of trying to fix GM... easier for him to do.
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower
nissan may have a jump on their own sales, but they still dont sell anywhere near the amount Honda and Toyota sells, even with their sales drop
Ghosn want's Nissans sales to continue to rise. But remember, he's bringing Nissan out of bankruptcy. Though they seel less cars now, Nissan is by far more profitable per car. I think that's Ghosn's first priority, and he's succeeding.
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Alot of fuckin' money. Plus, complete autonomy. CEO and Chairman of the Board. Let him run wild and he'll get things done... Le Cost Killer would start slashing jobs like nobody's business. But, he'd have to contend with legacy costs, the damn union, etc. That's why I don't think they'd take the job. He'd rather build Renault/Nissan to GM's level instead of trying to fix GM... easier for him to do.
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I don't think Ghosn would leave Renault/Nissan until the job is done, then I'm sure GM could consider it. They might have to get in line 1st though.
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there weren't many kia's in ann arbor, but now i see lots of sorrento's and optima's daily. also, i've probably have seen total of 3-5 amanti's here in ann arbor, but when i went to charleston SC last week, i probably saw at least 20 kia amanti's in one day. and guess who drives them? old folks.
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Those old folks have no sense.
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10 yr warranty makes good sense
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Sure for an old folk, the amanti is hideous inside and out and it shows in the resale. Old folks don't worry about that cause the 10yr warranty runs their lifespan, better than medicare.
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