BMW: 3-Series News
Engineer
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Nice, but I just got my E90 M3... 
Seriously though, the more I drive this car the more I love it. I am sure the F80 will perform well, but the S65 V8 in the E9X is just awesome. Although, once I see an IND F80 I am sure I will fall in love again...
Seriously though, the more I drive this car the more I love it. I am sure the F80 will perform well, but the S65 V8 in the E9X is just awesome. Although, once I see an IND F80 I am sure I will fall in love again...
Engineer
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My coworker has a E46 with SMG. When we went out for lunch today he was stunned at how smooth it shifted compared to his. Although, I will say that the DCT can be a bit jerky in low speed traffic. I try to keep it in 2nd and give myself more space so I can just creep at a few mph...
Suzuka Master
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From: SoCal
I'm pretty sure E46 people were thinking a big V8 will just add weight and they dont want a muscle car, they want a nimble european sports car.
But I'm sure when you sit in the F80 you will be saying OMG THIS TORQUE!!!
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http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...NEWS/130809933
BMW is bringing the 328d range of sedans and wagons to the U.S. to replace the departing 335d, with sales starting this fall for the 2014 model year. Both the sedan and the wagon will use the same 2.0-liter four-cylinder Twinpower turbodiesel engine producing 180 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque.
The 328d rear-wheel drive sedan starts at $39,525, and with xDrive the starting MSRP goes up a bit to $41,525, though throwing the options book at the either sedan will render the difference somewhat moot. The 328d station wagon will be available only with xDrive, and will start at $43,875.
EPA fuel economy figures are rated at 32 mpg city and 45 mpg highway (37 mpg combined) for the rear-wheel drive 328d sedan. Fuel efficiency figures decline a bit for the xDrive-equipped models, which still offer 31 city and 43 highway. Aside from these being stellar figures for cars its size and weight in relation to the engine displacement, perhaps the most notable fact about the 328d's fuel economy is that it actually bests its ActiveHybrid 3 stablemate, which managed only 33 mpg highway while stickering out at a little more than $50,000.
Don't worry: BMW assures us these mpg figures don't mean that the 328d range will require half a minute of sifting through the gears and fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn to reach 60 mph. An 8-speed automatic will get you to 60 in just a little over seven seconds, according to the company's figures.
Back home BMW has even more fuel-efficient 316d and 318d sedans, which achieve between 52 and 55 mpg according to BMW, but there are no current plans to bring them to North America.
The 328d rear-wheel drive sedan starts at $39,525, and with xDrive the starting MSRP goes up a bit to $41,525, though throwing the options book at the either sedan will render the difference somewhat moot. The 328d station wagon will be available only with xDrive, and will start at $43,875.
EPA fuel economy figures are rated at 32 mpg city and 45 mpg highway (37 mpg combined) for the rear-wheel drive 328d sedan. Fuel efficiency figures decline a bit for the xDrive-equipped models, which still offer 31 city and 43 highway. Aside from these being stellar figures for cars its size and weight in relation to the engine displacement, perhaps the most notable fact about the 328d's fuel economy is that it actually bests its ActiveHybrid 3 stablemate, which managed only 33 mpg highway while stickering out at a little more than $50,000.
Don't worry: BMW assures us these mpg figures don't mean that the 328d range will require half a minute of sifting through the gears and fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn to reach 60 mph. An 8-speed automatic will get you to 60 in just a little over seven seconds, according to the company's figures.
Back home BMW has even more fuel-efficient 316d and 318d sedans, which achieve between 52 and 55 mpg according to BMW, but there are no current plans to bring them to North America.
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n_first_drive/
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I would if the hybrid is getting almost 60mpg combined and 0-60mph in the 7's...such as the Honda Accord Hybrid:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n_first_drive/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n_first_drive/
Loaded Honda Accord Hybrid will cross $35k.
if the same Acura model. it will pass $45k loaded. Honda diesels are selling alot well than hybrids.
Its British imp gallons but you get idea of BMW 2.0 TDI engine.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tes...-i-dtec-2013//
Expect me to be highly critical here because my benchmark for diesels is now the 163PS BMW 320dED, that does 0-60 in 7.8, 140mph and in which I have averaged 65mpg over the last 5,000 miles.
Expect me to be highly critical here because my benchmark for diesels is now the 163PS BMW 320dED, that does 0-60 in 7.8, 140mph and in which I have averaged 65mpg over the last 5,000 miles.
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From: Maryland
Can we not mention Acura or Honda in non-HMC threads?
Clearly he's doing keyword searches.
I would like to see some options for the smaller diesels to be honest. I think people would get over it for 70mpg.
Clearly he's doing keyword searches.
I would like to see some options for the smaller diesels to be honest. I think people would get over it for 70mpg.
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BMW Concept M4 Coupe – the true essence of BMW M.
Pebble Beach/Munich. On 15 August, surrounded by both current and historic BMW models, BMW M tonight offered a first outlook on a high-performance sports car of tomorrow – the BMW Concept M4 Coupe. The car was unveiled at the BMW opening media reception for the iconic annual Pebble Beach/Monterey automobile weekend.
“The BMW Concept M4 Coupe reflects the BMW M philosophy in ideal form: It combines motor racing genes and unrestricted everyday suitability in a highly emotional overall concept. For four generations, the BMW M3 has put motor racing on the road and the BMW Concept M4 Coupe consistently continues to pursue this fundamental idea. The new model designation “M4” refers – like all other BMW M automobiles – to the series on which this concept car is based,” explains Dr. Friedrich Nitschke, President BMW M Division.
THE DESIGN OF THE NEW BMW CONCEPT M4 COUPE. The BMW Concept M4 Coupe, finished in the colour “Aurum Dust” exclusively developed for this model, continues with BMW M’s design language – strong in character, emotional and extremely dynamic. From every perspective it is the embodiment of agility, dynamism and superior performance. Large air inlets in the dynamic front, a swift design language in the side and a sporty, low rear give clear visual indication of the car’s tremendous dynamic potential. CFRP (carbon fiber reinforced plastics) elements such as the front splitter, the roof, or the rear diffuser underline the optimized lightweight concept down to the smallest detail.
“At BMW M, design is above all an expression of function. Each design element is based on the underlying technical demands of the BMW M high performance concept. Thanks to this authenticity, the design provides a taste of what can be experienced with each model: Power, precise control and superior handling – an unforgettable driving experience on the racetrack as well as on the road” says Adrian van Hooydonk, head of BMW Group Design.
THE FRONT END. Faceted surfaces, precise contours and distinctive visual depth shape the powerfully expressive front end of the BMW Concept M4 Coupe. The classic “BMW face” with its double kidney and a modern interpretation of the twin round headlamps featuring LED technology provides the car with a distinctive identity, making it recognizable as a BMW M automobile at very first glance. The bonnet with its characteristic power dome symbolises the immense power of the engine that lies beneath it. This dynamic element is further emphasized by a distinctive contour. A further striking feature on the front of the new BMW Concept M4 Coupe is the BMW M double bar kidney grille: The black kidney grille bars imitate the characteristic M double spoke design of the BMW M wheels, the M4 emblem on the kidney grille adding an exclusive accent to the front end.
The powerfully shaped front apron sporting the carbon fibre front splitter immediately catches the eye. The three large air intakes supply the high performance power unit with sufficient cooling air. At the same time, the interplay of surfaces, contours and volume authentically express the car’s supreme potential. The sharply outlined vertical air vents located in the outer section of the side air intakes, the so-called Air Curtain is a design statement of its own. Together with the Air Breather, this feature ensures the aerodynamic closure of the wheel arches and consequently, improved air flow and fuel consumption.
THE SIDE. Viewed from the side, the dynamic impression conveyed by the front end continues. A streamlined, flat silhouette and an athletic body design characterize the BMW Concept M4 Coupe. Typical BMW proportions – a long bonnet, long wheelbase, set-back greenhouse and a short front overhang – create an exceptionally dynamic appearance even when the car is at a standstill. Muscular wheel arches and the powerfully expressive surface language reveal the BMW Concept M4 Coupe’s supreme performance capabilities at very first glance.
The flowing roofline enhances the BMW Concept M4 Coupe’s sporty design with elegant finesse. As a visible high-tech lightweight element, the contoured CFRP roof characterizes the BMW Concept M4 Coupe’s technically innovative design.
The CFRP roof reduces weight and ensures a lower centre of gravity, thus facilitating an even sportier driving experience. Here, form and functionality are optimally combined in typical BMW M fashion.
The coupe-like roofline flows into the muscularly designed rear end, which then adopts the contour of the roof. A rear spoiler lip is integrated into the trunk lid for optimum downforce. Thanks to this feature, the BMW Concept M4 Coupe not only has better downforce values, but when viewed from the side, also gains in volume and length, in athletic presence. Below it, the boldly shaped, muscular sill emphasizes the car’s sportive stance on the road.
A conspicuous detail on the car’s side panels is the redesigned M gill. This characteristic M design element constitutes a both sporty and functional statement. On the Concept M4 Coupe, the M gills incorporate the Air Breather, which together with the Air Curtain within the front apron serves to ventilate the wheel arches and facilitate better airflow values. Exclusively designed, bicoloured 20” M light alloys boasting the typical M double spoke design complete the sportive design of the car’s sides. The five filigree double-spokes rims with polished outer surfaces reveal M Carbon ceramic brakes.
THE REAR. The muscular rear end of the BMW Concept M4 Coupe gives visual indication of the car’s supreme power. The entire tail section boasts a sculptural and broad appearance. The large shaded areas beneath the spoiler give the rear end an even flatter and athletic appearance. At the same time, the flat taillights located far to the outside, the wide track and the powerfully flared wheel arches underscore the car’s stable stance on the road. Horizontal lines accentuate the car’s width, lowering the visual centre of gravity even further.
Within the tail section of the BMW Concept M4 Coupe, the design feature of the front apron comprising faceted surfaces is formally replicated and continued further. The interplay of surfaces and precise contours around the optical air vents further accentuates the rear end’s dynamic design. Twin tailpipes are a characteristic M feature on the rear end. The two pairs of carbon fibre tailpipes are encompassed by the sculptural rear apron. A carbon fibre rear diffuser completes the overall aerodynamics package.
Pebble Beach/Munich. On 15 August, surrounded by both current and historic BMW models, BMW M tonight offered a first outlook on a high-performance sports car of tomorrow – the BMW Concept M4 Coupe. The car was unveiled at the BMW opening media reception for the iconic annual Pebble Beach/Monterey automobile weekend.
“The BMW Concept M4 Coupe reflects the BMW M philosophy in ideal form: It combines motor racing genes and unrestricted everyday suitability in a highly emotional overall concept. For four generations, the BMW M3 has put motor racing on the road and the BMW Concept M4 Coupe consistently continues to pursue this fundamental idea. The new model designation “M4” refers – like all other BMW M automobiles – to the series on which this concept car is based,” explains Dr. Friedrich Nitschke, President BMW M Division.
THE DESIGN OF THE NEW BMW CONCEPT M4 COUPE. The BMW Concept M4 Coupe, finished in the colour “Aurum Dust” exclusively developed for this model, continues with BMW M’s design language – strong in character, emotional and extremely dynamic. From every perspective it is the embodiment of agility, dynamism and superior performance. Large air inlets in the dynamic front, a swift design language in the side and a sporty, low rear give clear visual indication of the car’s tremendous dynamic potential. CFRP (carbon fiber reinforced plastics) elements such as the front splitter, the roof, or the rear diffuser underline the optimized lightweight concept down to the smallest detail.
“At BMW M, design is above all an expression of function. Each design element is based on the underlying technical demands of the BMW M high performance concept. Thanks to this authenticity, the design provides a taste of what can be experienced with each model: Power, precise control and superior handling – an unforgettable driving experience on the racetrack as well as on the road” says Adrian van Hooydonk, head of BMW Group Design.
THE FRONT END. Faceted surfaces, precise contours and distinctive visual depth shape the powerfully expressive front end of the BMW Concept M4 Coupe. The classic “BMW face” with its double kidney and a modern interpretation of the twin round headlamps featuring LED technology provides the car with a distinctive identity, making it recognizable as a BMW M automobile at very first glance. The bonnet with its characteristic power dome symbolises the immense power of the engine that lies beneath it. This dynamic element is further emphasized by a distinctive contour. A further striking feature on the front of the new BMW Concept M4 Coupe is the BMW M double bar kidney grille: The black kidney grille bars imitate the characteristic M double spoke design of the BMW M wheels, the M4 emblem on the kidney grille adding an exclusive accent to the front end.
The powerfully shaped front apron sporting the carbon fibre front splitter immediately catches the eye. The three large air intakes supply the high performance power unit with sufficient cooling air. At the same time, the interplay of surfaces, contours and volume authentically express the car’s supreme potential. The sharply outlined vertical air vents located in the outer section of the side air intakes, the so-called Air Curtain is a design statement of its own. Together with the Air Breather, this feature ensures the aerodynamic closure of the wheel arches and consequently, improved air flow and fuel consumption.
THE SIDE. Viewed from the side, the dynamic impression conveyed by the front end continues. A streamlined, flat silhouette and an athletic body design characterize the BMW Concept M4 Coupe. Typical BMW proportions – a long bonnet, long wheelbase, set-back greenhouse and a short front overhang – create an exceptionally dynamic appearance even when the car is at a standstill. Muscular wheel arches and the powerfully expressive surface language reveal the BMW Concept M4 Coupe’s supreme performance capabilities at very first glance.
The flowing roofline enhances the BMW Concept M4 Coupe’s sporty design with elegant finesse. As a visible high-tech lightweight element, the contoured CFRP roof characterizes the BMW Concept M4 Coupe’s technically innovative design.
The CFRP roof reduces weight and ensures a lower centre of gravity, thus facilitating an even sportier driving experience. Here, form and functionality are optimally combined in typical BMW M fashion.
The coupe-like roofline flows into the muscularly designed rear end, which then adopts the contour of the roof. A rear spoiler lip is integrated into the trunk lid for optimum downforce. Thanks to this feature, the BMW Concept M4 Coupe not only has better downforce values, but when viewed from the side, also gains in volume and length, in athletic presence. Below it, the boldly shaped, muscular sill emphasizes the car’s sportive stance on the road.
A conspicuous detail on the car’s side panels is the redesigned M gill. This characteristic M design element constitutes a both sporty and functional statement. On the Concept M4 Coupe, the M gills incorporate the Air Breather, which together with the Air Curtain within the front apron serves to ventilate the wheel arches and facilitate better airflow values. Exclusively designed, bicoloured 20” M light alloys boasting the typical M double spoke design complete the sportive design of the car’s sides. The five filigree double-spokes rims with polished outer surfaces reveal M Carbon ceramic brakes.
THE REAR. The muscular rear end of the BMW Concept M4 Coupe gives visual indication of the car’s supreme power. The entire tail section boasts a sculptural and broad appearance. The large shaded areas beneath the spoiler give the rear end an even flatter and athletic appearance. At the same time, the flat taillights located far to the outside, the wide track and the powerfully flared wheel arches underscore the car’s stable stance on the road. Horizontal lines accentuate the car’s width, lowering the visual centre of gravity even further.
Within the tail section of the BMW Concept M4 Coupe, the design feature of the front apron comprising faceted surfaces is formally replicated and continued further. The interplay of surfaces and precise contours around the optical air vents further accentuates the rear end’s dynamic design. Twin tailpipes are a characteristic M feature on the rear end. The two pairs of carbon fibre tailpipes are encompassed by the sculptural rear apron. A carbon fibre rear diffuser completes the overall aerodynamics package.
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From: Chicago Burbs
We getting one at IND so I will just mess with it then and keep my E90 M3 for now. Its been good to me.
Plus have a feeling this thing will be much more expensive, seems like a lot of carbon fiber.
Engineer
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From: Boston
Do you think it production car will come with all those lips and diffusers? I feel like those are on there for the pictures, but will become M-performance parts that you can buy as separate accessories. I bet that a loaded M4 will push high 80's to low 90's.
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Ugh, sexy hips!
We showed you the latest F82 M4 coupe prototype today, and now feast your eyes at the F80 M3, also in the most revealing form yet! This is also the first time we've seen it in what appears to be Singapore Grey Metallic.
The first thing that pops out (literally) at us are the fenders. Check out the nearly widebody look of the rear fenders.
While the M4 is a svelte and sexy sports coupe, the new M3 looks like its bruiser brother with his bulldog stance.
As you can see, the F80 M3 shares virtually the same bodywork as the M4, save for the more prominently flared fenders and a different trunk design (no CSL style curve). The two share the same front front fascia and headlights, rear bumpers, sideskirts, hood bump, exhaust design, double-bubble carbon fiber roof and wheels (at least on this prototype). They will also share the same powerplant and drivetrain, of course.
Sticking with the sharing theme, the two will also split the spotlight when their production versions make their debuts in January at the Detroit NAIAS.
And if you missed it in the other thread, ordering will be available beginning in January-February and production begins in the March-May window. Expect deliveries by early Summer.
Follow our F80 M3 coverage at: http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f80m3/
And if you want to watch/hear the M3 and M4 in action, catch it in the compilation thread.
F80 M3 Prototype
We showed you the latest F82 M4 coupe prototype today, and now feast your eyes at the F80 M3, also in the most revealing form yet! This is also the first time we've seen it in what appears to be Singapore Grey Metallic.
The first thing that pops out (literally) at us are the fenders. Check out the nearly widebody look of the rear fenders.
While the M4 is a svelte and sexy sports coupe, the new M3 looks like its bruiser brother with his bulldog stance.As you can see, the F80 M3 shares virtually the same bodywork as the M4, save for the more prominently flared fenders and a different trunk design (no CSL style curve). The two share the same front front fascia and headlights, rear bumpers, sideskirts, hood bump, exhaust design, double-bubble carbon fiber roof and wheels (at least on this prototype). They will also share the same powerplant and drivetrain, of course.
Sticking with the sharing theme, the two will also split the spotlight when their production versions make their debuts in January at the Detroit NAIAS.
And if you missed it in the other thread, ordering will be available beginning in January-February and production begins in the March-May window. Expect deliveries by early Summer.
Follow our F80 M3 coverage at: http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f80m3/
And if you want to watch/hear the M3 and M4 in action, catch it in the compilation thread.
F80 M3 Prototype
