Wait no longer

 

TL is more of an American car than any Ford, GM, Dodge, and Chevy car.

I did beat a stock GT (06 I believe) last week. I dont like most mustangs because most of them are obnoxious and love to rev there engine into VTEC-lite

 

How so?

 

I was going to ask the same thing....along with how he beat an 06 GT Mustang. He must have a TL-S 6MT with some serious bolt ons.

 

Displacement has been replaced by forced induction.

Beat muscles all the time.

Again, different cars

 

Displacement with boost would be the best. I've long thought about copying my current mild turbo combo to a 427 BBC.

That would be 1,083hp at the wheels with the same streetability it has now.

At some level you become traction limited in a street car so there's no point in more power. That's the only thing that has made me put away the turbo V8 idea. I still have a built 4.5L V6 waiting to go in that should make 800+ to the wheels.

 

I'm still curious how this happened? Must have been a really shitty granny shifting grandma with very slow reflexes.

 

The TL was designed in the USA.
Made in the USA.
It was around 90% plus of the parts sourced in the USA.


Ford, GM/Chevy, Dodge, one US auto maker, a goverment owned auto maker, and one Italian/government owned auto maker.
Where is the new Camaro made again, Canada?

 

That's what 400 crank hp will do. A properly set up TL with a blower is making 80 more hp to the wheels that a 06 GT. I was giving new v8 m3's a run for their money with the blower.

 

A few months ago a 4th gen straight piped GT convertible pulled up next to me, two douchers with the top down looked over.. we pulled up to a stop light, lined up at the front. I had no interest racing it but I guess he wanted to flex.. light turns green and he roars, boy did it sound mean, I pulled it like it was going reverse and I wasn't even on it.. I rolled slow then maybe went 2/3 throttle. lol.. Sounds mean, but didn't bite. Maybe a notch above a fart can on a ricer but not much more.

 

This is my thoughts too regarding the Mustangs. That Ford V8 and it's firing order produces a sound that will raise the hair on the back of your neck with the right exhaust system. But 9 out of 10 times (figure of speech), it is no where as fast as it sounds.

Note, I did not say it was slow. Just that it is not as fast as it sounds.

 

The thing is you can never underestimate one.. If the shit head invested money in his ride rather than hair gel I'm sure he would have put a bus length before I got out of 1st.

 

I dunno... I get to drive an 07 GT convertible every once in a while, and it's pretty intoxicating. That and you can look just as good in a Mustang GT as you can in a TL.

 

 

They were built to be "fast".
TL were not.

 

I have been doing some shopping for my next car. Unlike with my TL which I purchased not knowing that "quick cars" would become my hobby again.

Far in advance, I am picking-out my next car and making sure that I pick a suitable platform for myself.

I had always wanted a Corvette. So, I browsed some Corvette forums. What I found definitely changed my mind. Also, I was thinking maybe a Mustang or Camaro. What I found has now ruled those choices out too.

See this link below for why. Watch the white Corvette on the left.

Corvette Loses It. (click here)

No RWD platforms for me. In my early years, I had a few scary moments with my IROC-Z Camaro and it had just modest HP levels.

My next platform will be an AWD. Probably an EVO or STI.

Seriously, what the HELL is the point of traction control?! (click here)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkgzeC8oBLk

 

fixed.

 

When you're putting that much torque on the ground it's really easy to lose control when one wheel breaks traction. I too have been looking for an AWD platform. My next upgrade will be a GT-R.. just need to hit the 2-step to make it happen..

 

You honestly think a person would look that much better in a TL?

 

I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't.

 

The TL is a good looking car, no doubt. Up until 2010 the Mustang never did much for me, but I love the redesign. In 2011 they brought in the 5.0 and revised the suspension and I honestly can't find a fault with that car.

With that being said, the 05-09 had about 300Hp/320Tq and weighed in around 3,600 lbs. The TL is rated at 258hp/238tq at around the same weight. You'd have to do a lot of work to bring those torque numbers up because thats where the TL really falls short. You can start out by doing the basics (IHE and some minor weight reduction) but you'd be spending a lot of time and money just to match a stock GT. Keep in mind most people that race Mustangs aren't racing a stock one...and when it comes to aftermarket they have way too many options.

Don't even waste your time trying to beat a 2011.

 

The new 5.0 is sex.. but $$$$

 

If I'm not mistaken, most parts from Domestic cars are produced outside of the US. The TL was, if I'm not mistaken once again, produced in California with parts built in the US. All Honda logo's on our cars says made in US/Honda America Company.

I'm not sure. I did do some weight-reduction thanks to Innacurate. I was about 200LBs lighter and I lost some pounds myself! The other guy had a passenger and they both were, um how do I say it nicely, hefty. I beat him by a car length. He was A/T (I think) and so was I.

 

The TL is made in Marysville OHIO. Honda and Acura have design studios in California.

In my NA 190whp GSR I have come across some STI's, beat one, equal with another and lost by two cars. The lose he said is completely stock but I'm pretty sure it had a least a boost controller. Pulled way to strong.

Haven't come across a NEW mustang yet.

Did run into an M5 that had to hit is power button to be able to pull away from me. I couldn't stop laughing. An M5 at 400hp couldn't out run an Integra, he needed another 100hp.

 

OHIO

 

You just have to respect RWD a lot more than AWD. Having owned two heavily modified AWD import cars I can tell you that I would not do it again.

The Corvette is a WAY better platform for modifying, you just need to be running the right tires to make sure the power gets to the ground. That dummy in the white Vette probably was on the stock run flats...and if he wasn't he needs to learn how to drive.

 

I am seriously thinking of going the EVO/STI route. Can you please elaborate on why you turned away from modified AWD imports? Words from the wise (experienced) are always appreciated. Thanks

 

Just save for a GTR buddy.

 

RWD will get you down the track quicker with all else being equal period. This includes AWD.

If someone loses it under track conditions they have no business racing. There is absolutely no reason the Vette should have lost it other than driver incompetence.

On the street you have paint lines, irregular surfaces, changing conditions, slants, etc to worry about. You pay attention and adjust. I know if I'm in the right lane and hit it at 50mph, the rear end is most likely going to slide right. If I see shiny pavement or paint lines up ahead I'll ease off the throttle a little.

I've gone to the track a couple times on pure street tires (non drag radials) and it's a handfull but fun. My friends were laughing because they heard my BOV going off the whole time at 120+mph and the car skating all over the place through the traps. It's not hard to control, you just have to know what you're doing.

Once you get used to the car it's easy and the adreneline starts to go down. There's a freeway entrance I used to enter on the way to Sonic where I would take the corner at about 55mph and if the freeway was clear I would punch it and let the car drift over into the fast lane. It just becomes second nature.

There is the rare exception of course but I've never once lost it on the street or on the track. Just manhandle the thing and don't be afraid.

9 times out of 10 the driver recovers from the initial slide but overcorrects and causes the spin. It's not often you can't catch the initial slide. It's the panic, slow reactions, and just not knowing what to do that causes trouble. When mine starts to slide I'm not worried about catching the slide, the only thing going through my head is straightening up the wheel in time. You have to lead the rear by a little bit.

 

Just watched the Viper video. He has no business driving a car. It was just a tiny wiggle that he turned into a spin. Driving at it's worst. The driver MADE that car spin. It's not RWD's fault.

 

Thank god he didn't lose it to the right.

 

Guys don't forget about the type R mustang...

The Rustang!!!

 

 

Ohio? California? Same thing.

Majofo you must really like the GT-R.

If I could buy any car it would be a 911 GT3.

 

I want an MK2 Golf with a hayabusa engine.

 

Cost is the biggest factor. I can't speak for the EVOs because I know they are slightly cheaper to build than STIs, but either way with both of those platforms you need to carefully plan out mod routes and budget literally 2.5-3xs what you feel your initial investment is going to be to keep it reliable. Especially if you're going to make it a daily driver. Nothing is cheap on those cars, and when you start pushing higher power levels (450+whp) you need to start saving for stuff that's going to start to break. Drivetrain, engine, you name it.

EVO / STI in my opinion and from experience is a good platform IF you're willing to keep it civilized in terms of power levels. I'm talking 350whp max. If I was going to do it all over again, I would take a stock STi and upgrade the fuel pump, intercooler, exhaust and throw on meth / water injection with a dyno tune and call it a day.

Corvette modifications price wise aren't cheap, but it doesn't take much to make them a monster. H/C/I and sticky tires and you're seeing a HUGE jump in performance. The LS engines LOVE nitrous as well if you're willing to go that route. There was a guy on the Mustang Forums who had a C6Z with mild bolt ons that would literally demolish higher end Ferraris, Lambos, etc. It would take everything above and probably more for an EVO or STI to hang with the newer stock C6s. My old STI would have probably hung with or slightly beat out a stock C6 Z06 on race gas even from a roll, but I had tens of thousands of dollars into that car not including the cost.

Just my but turbo AWD 4 bangers really are high maintenance if you want them to be able to run with the big boys. You also get bored really quickly of lower power levels in those cars because they tend to lack the torque of V8s.

 

IHC & WRXtranceformed

Thank you both for your input. Your comments were very helpful and appreciated. I have much to think about.......

 

my tl pulled for 15 seconds ahead of my friends 2008 GT/CS o.O

 

No problem man! NASIOC is a good place to research Subarus, it used to be a really good place to gather info but from what I remember it started going downhill. The newer Subies are more stout than the older ones and can make power easier, but the bottom line is that you're always going to be fighting an uphill battle with power vs. reliability when compared to RWD V8 sports cars out there.

 

I understand that the TL is made in the US, and many of the parts are as well. The original statement was that the TL is more of an American car than any Ford, GM, GMC, etc.

Now, how can a Japanese based company have a more American car than American company's? Considering Ford, GM, GMC, etc are all American founded, with all of their headquarters in America. Acura, which is a Honda, which is Japanese, was founded by the Japanese with headquarters in Japan.

When anyone sees a TL, even people with knowledge of the TL, know it was built in America, but it's still a Japanese Car. When people see a Ford, they see it as an American car.

If the original quote was...The TL has more American parts and American workmanship than any Ford, Gm, etc, there may be a valid point.