BMW: 3-Series news **Gran Turismo Version Revealed (page 84)**

[ilitig8]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout When does this new M3 come out? Im thinking of selling the A4 and getting a used E46 M3 when the prices drop some more. Found a few 03 M3s with SMG for around $32k with under 35k miles! Or im itching to lease a 335 sedan, damn you Beltfed!! Just do it when you feel like it, the prices tend to stay fairly linear, just look at the value of 98-99s today. My feeling is try for a 04-05 for reliability reasons, maybe a 03. Do you really want a SMG car, great if you track the car a lot, in the wake of DSG trannies you really see that it is not the optimum fix for the street.

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[Crazy Acura]

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55177

Few vids, thing sound mean

[Beltfed]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

When does this new M3 come out?

Im thinking of selling the A4 and getting a used E46 M3 when the prices drop some more.

Found a few 03 M3s with SMG for around $32k with under 35k miles!

Or im itching to lease a 335 sedan, damn you Beltfed!!

I would just get the 335 at this point, the sedan still leases out well (even though the rates went up for April).

My buddy just picked his up, Montego/black-aluminum trim.

Very nice car and honestly sitting/riding around in it made the E46 seem a tad dated.

[Crazy Acura]

[cob3683]

Wheels and mirriors =

Everything else =

[vishnus11]

Hope it looks better in person... Those wheels look mega undersized compared to the body, the overhangs look large, and the whole thing doesn't seem to fit in proportion. THe E46 M3 is starting to look really good...

At this point, just based on pics, I'd prefer the RS5 over the E92 M3.

[Beltfed]

Originally Posted by vishnus11

Hope it looks better in person... Those wheels look mega undersized compared to the body.

Those are the 18s', optional 19s appear to be on the alpine white press photos.

[Crazy Acura]

BMWs marketing > *

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/index_high...experience.xml

[mclarenf3387]

Heard this week that the car is going to have a wet clutch. Should be interesting.

[Shawn S]

Two years later, it’s amazing how close this Photoshop car looks to the final design.
Except for the giant wheel flares it’s pretty close.

[mrchan625]

the front doesnt looks as agressive as the current M3

[savage]

Originally Posted by Shawn S

Two years later, it’s amazing how close this Photoshop car looks to the final design.
Except for the giant wheel flares it’s pretty close.

funny thing is that i came across that concept photo a couple days ago and thought the same thing...

[Yumcha]

Nice video of the M3 in action: http://www.bmwarchiv.de/video/bmw-m3-coupe-2007.html

[S14 n Tsx]

I can't wait... mmmmmm, m3.

[S14 n Tsx]

Originally Posted by Shawn S

Two years later, it’s amazing how close this Photoshop car looks to the final design.
Except for the giant wheel flares it’s pretty close.

I like it. like it a lot.

[Yumcha]

Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx

I can't wait... mmmmmm, m3.

You're buying one...?

[S14 n Tsx]

Originally Posted by Yumchah

You're buying one...?

in 10 years.

[S14 n Tsx]

I'm still a student so I can't do shit until I get out. I'm going to be doing business with my parents so hopefully one day....

[Dr. Colorado]

Video looks hawt! Love that exhaust note. Is that a carbon fiber roof? Definitely looking at new M3 or S5 for next ride.

[rmpage]

Heavier and with less torque:weight...damn, I love the M3s but this new one is too kushy for me. Good news is that the E46 M3s will get cheaper quicker once this thing comes to market!

[savage]

Originally Posted by rmpage

Heavier and with less torque:weight...damn, I love the M3s but this new one is too kushy for me. Good news is that the E46 M3s will get cheaper quicker once this thing comes to market!

i would love to pick up a Competition Edition in Blue or White...

[03CLsPunisher]

Originally Posted by rmpage

Heavier and with less torque:weight...damn, I love the M3s but this new one is too kushy for me. Good news is that the E46 M3s will get cheaper quicker once this thing comes to market!

It has more torque then the last M3.

[heyitsme]

Originally Posted by Shawn S

Two years later, it’s amazing how close this Photoshop car looks to the final design.
Except for the giant wheel flares it’s pretty close.

That Photoshop looks much better, the photoshopper should be given credit that it HAS ONLY BEEN TWO YEARS, the design is 6yrs ahead of what BMW is doing.

[rmpage]

Originally Posted by 03CLsPunisher

It has more torque then the last M3.

I know. But it is also heavier, isn't it?

[coconut]

I dont feel like reading through 30+ pages, but any ideas about the pricing? I just might buy one.

[stangg172004]

Originally Posted by Yumchah

Nice video of the M3 in action: http://www.bmwarchiv.de/video/bmw-m3-coupe-2007.html

V8

[Crazy Acura]

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58263

Looks great so far. I hope the whole E90 line gets those headlights.

[cmschmie]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58263

Looks great so far. I hope the whole E90 line gets those headlights.

Put me down for a sedan. Can someone give me $60k for my birthday??

[Crazy Acura]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-m3-sedan-future.html more sedan

[Crazy Acura]

$60-65k base price? eeps.

http://edbmw.com/blog/2007/04/30/new...0000-to-65000/

[afici0nad0]

Comparison Test: 2007 BMW 335i vs. 2007 Lexus IS 350
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...opanel..2.*#14

German Muscle vs. Japanese Hustle

By Chris Walton, Chief Road Test Editor
Date posted: 05-27-2007

BMW has it and Lexus wants it. That's all you need to know about the confrontation between the 2007 BMW 335i and 2007 Lexus IS 350.

As the first compact sport sedan with more than 300 horsepower, the IS 350 has been the quickest car in this class since its redesign in 2006. But the 2007 BMW 335i has been through a redesign of its own, and its new twin-turbo 300-hp inline-6 now measures up against the Lexus V6.

Putting together the 2007 BMW 335i and the 2007 Lexus IS 350 will tell us which car gets it done in the speed sweepstakes. More important, these two cars are redefining a category that the BMW 3 Series has dominated for 20 years, and we'll find out which car will lead us into the future.

Choosing the Hardware
When we matched these cars against each other in 2006, the newly redesigned 306-hp Lexus IS 350 ran away from the 255-hp BMW 330i with a quicker acceleration to 60 mph by more than a full second. On the other hand, that BMW outmaneuvered the Lexus in every objective and subjective handling category.

For 2007, the deal has changed. The 2007 BMW 335i packs an even 300 hp (perhaps even more), and it also takes the 3 Series further in the direction of sophistication, making it a competitor for the IS 350 in refinement as well as speed. Meanwhile, the 2007 Lexus IS 350 allows you to switch off its vehicle stability control, so you can explore the limits of its dynamic envelope.

For this like-to-like comparison, we've chosen a BMW 335i with the optional $1,275 three-mode six-speed automatic, plus the optional $100 shift paddles on the steering wheel. This car matches up with the Lexus IS 350 and its standard six-speed automatic with shift paddles.

The New Order
"There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order to things." — Niccolò Machiavelli

While the BMW inline-6 has always been known for its smooth and linear power delivery, it has rarely been celebrated for its horsepower. But now that BMW has adopted direct injection and sequential turbocharging, the all-new twin-turbo N54 engine feels like something from BMW's M division. A plateau of 300 pound-feet of torque begins at 1,400 rpm and extends all the way to 7,000 rpm.

And what a difference a year, 45 horsepower and 80 lb-ft of torque make. Not only does the 300-hp 335i slash nearly 2 seconds from the 0-to-60-mph time recorded by the 2006 330i, it also outaccelerates the Lexus IS 350 in the process. The 2007 335i sprints to 60 mph in just 4.9 seconds and blitzes the quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds at 103.9 mph — and all this with an automatic transmission.

The Quick and the Stead
With the 2007 Lexus IS 350's traction control shut down, we managed to find nearly a half-second improvement in its acceleration profile on the drag strip right up to the 1,320-foot mark, where it recorded a time slip nearly identical to last year's. The launch to 30 mph is 0.4 second quicker, as is the time to 60 mph. The quarter-mile comes up in 13.8 seconds at 101.2 mph.

The IS 350's DOHC 3.5-liter V6 also represents new engine technology for Lexus. It's a model of high-revving, almost electric smoothness, yet this V6 must reach 4,800 rpm before all of its 277 lb-ft of torque is accounted for. By then the award-winning turbocharged BMW six is already riding a huge wave of neck-straining twist, and the 335i shows the IS 350 its trunk badge. Where the Lexus zings through the gears to make haste, the BMW doesn't have to shift to go fast.

Grab a Gear
"The most dangerous phrase in the language is, 'We've always done it this way.'" — Rear Admiral Grace M. Hopper, U.S. Navy

The shift paddles mounted on the steering wheel of the Lexus IS 350 are simple to operate, as you pull on the right one for an upshift and then tug on the left one for a downshift. The paddles select gears more or less quickly, but fail to match engine revs during downshifts, which slows the process by a fraction.

BMW has engineered its shift-paddle system to afford both up- and downshifts with either paddle, as you pull with your fingers to produce a very, very quick upshift and then push with your thumb to get a speedy downshift with matching engine revs.

The ergonomics of shift-paddle arrangement are better in the Lexus, but the logic of the BMW system is more convenient. Meanwhile, we prefer BMW's approach to the shift pattern of the console lever in manual mode, as you pull back to upshift and push forward to downshift, as if you were using 3rd and 4th gears in a manual transmission. Many Japanese cars seem to prefer the pattern of 2nd and 3rd gears in a manual transmission, where you push forward to upshift and pull back for a downshift.

Tailhooks for Brakes
Both cars stop from 60 mph like a naval jetfighter snagging the three-wire during a carrier landing, and you can feel the strain on your clavicle from the seatbelt as the Lexus comes to a halt in 114 feet and the BMW stops in 116 feet.

We encountered a dilemma when it came to ranking the brakes on these cars. Where the 335i provided superior feel and controllability at speed, its pedal also presented an odd tendency to feel sticky at low speed, as if it were controlled by some digital logic. Stop-and-go traffic proved to be a lurching, jerky affair.

On the other hand, the Lexus brakes offered adept control in the slow stuff, delivering textbook limo-style stops, but the light-effort pedal action seemed isolated from the system and didn't match the BMW's ability to provide two-way communication during assertive driving.

The Indulgent Electronic Nanny
"It's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission." — Rear Admiral Grace M. Hopper, U.S. Navy

Lexus has gone to some trouble to make its latest-generation vehicle stability system one of the most sophisticated available, so maybe it's no surprise that when it was introduced, the system didn't include a switch to turn it off. But thanks to a decision made at the highest level at Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. (so we understand), the 2007 VSC recognizes that there are some circumstances when it might be disabled.

When the VSC system is engaged, the algorithmic threshold of electronic stability intervention is within an eyelash of the car's actual limits. Driven smoothly right up to the VSC's boundaries, the Lexus IS 350 delivers virtually the same level of grip as the car will afford without it. Overdrive the car, however, and you're asking for a slap on the hand — a beep and a yaw correction.

What we did find with the VSC disabled was that there's a measure of athleticism in the IS 350 we had never experienced before. Even if the electric-assisted steering feels rather numb, like winding a constant-rate spring, it's delightful to rotate the car around each cone in our test slalom with such a high degree of precision that we can place the front tire within inches while gently sliding the rear tires.

We admire this sort of vehicle behavior in a sport sedan, but we have to tell you that it doesn't actually generate any performance improvement that you can measure.

Hitting an Invisible Target
"Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." — Arthur Schopenhauer

So along comes the fifth-generation 3 Series, and not surprisingly, it's better. It makes better numbers at the test track, and every driver appreciates its conversational steering, high levels of cornering grip and the peerless way it envelops road irregularities and smothers them. It's remarkable that in this age of super-computer design and virtual testing, BMW continues to hit the ride-handling target that no one else can even see.

The Lexus earns our respect for a competitive level of handling accomplishment, although we were surprised that its characteristic placid ride sometimes broke down when the front tires suddenly transmitted a jolt of harshness while confronting sharp surface irregularities.

There's also an important difference in the specification of these two cars, as the 335i was equipped with a $1,700 Sport package, including a retuned suspension with low-profile, high-performance tires on 18-inch wheels. We're guessing that if the IS 350 also were fitted with its $3,695 Sport package, all of its capabilities and liabilities would be similarly increased.

The Value of Greatness
"What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing." — Oscar Wilde

This is usually the part of a comparison of sport sedans where we apologetically explain that the BMW costs more, and that you get what you pay for. This time, the as-tested price of our well-equipped 2007 BMW 335i is $1,325 less than that of the luxuriously optioned 2007 Lexus IS 350. On the other hand, the base prices of these cars go the other way, with the Lexus undercutting the BMW by $3,255.

In an attempt to balance content with price, we weighted both the price and selected features equally at 25 percent of our comparison's total test score. We chose only those features we felt contribute to the sporting character of the car itself, like electronic stability control, sport suspension/tire package, transmission specification, bi-xenon headlamps and a smart-key entry/starting system. Scored in this fashion, the BMW comes out ahead. Had this been a luxury sedan gizmo-fest, it may have gone the other way.

Second Place
"We are always more anxious to be distinguished for a talent which we do not possess, than to be praised for the 15 which we do possess." — Mark Twain

The 2007 Lexus IS 350 is a fantastically rewarding sport sedan on many levels. It's a high-spirited luxury car in a low-impact sort of way. The IS 350 is a driver's car, just not the kind of sport sedan that goads you beyond your talent and into the guardrail. The Lexus demonstrates refinement in every molecule in way that a BMW never will. The IS 350 is defined by an easy, breezy nonchalance that can make you forget about communicative steering, slalom speeds and even more power.

First Place
"Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it." — Henry David Thoreau

Once you get a sport sedan right, it shows a depth of engineering and design skill. Get it really right, and it will win widely publicized awards and bring enthusiasts to the showroom. The 2007 BMW 335i does both, and it's without a doubt the best-performing and yet most well-rounded 3 Series ever. The BMW 335i is still the best sport sedan money can buy, and you can quote us on that.

[srika]

2012 3-series CGI



not too shabby

[Mokos23]

I'd like to see how much in Euros typical BMW's cost because I saw a lot of BMW's and Mercedes on the road there instead of Japanese cars.

[cM3go]

I would LOVE a 335i hard top convertible.

[Crazy Acura]

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67388

More sedan M3 pics. Really glad they put the coupe front on the sedan.

[Mokos23]

I'd take the M3 sedan, but $60K starting price? Then I'd really be starting to compare which is faster in terms of performance and quality the M3 or S4.

[Crazy Acura]

^ S4 doesnt stand a chance against the new M3. IMO

E46 M3 is a better performer than the S4 even.

[Fibonacci]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

$60-65k base price? eeps.

http://edbmw.com/blog/2007/04/30/new...0000-to-65000/

The 335i Cabrio is £37,895 in Britain and $49,100 in America. That’s a conversion rate of plus 30 percent. By this measure, the new M3 would cost $65,800 in the United States.

Crikey, at the rate that USD is dropping vs Euro, wouldn't be surprised if it the final price creeps higher.

I knew beltfed was too optimisitic on pricing.

[stangg172004]

http://www.bmw.com/ca/en/index_highe.../xml/popup.xml

BMW canada has a cool site up for the M3...

[F23A4]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

^ S4 doesnt stand a chance against the new M3. IMO

E46 M3 is a better performer than the S4 even.

....but then again: RS4!