03CLS6 Autocross/Track/Street Build Thread
11-15-2016, 05:12 PM
#1241
I would definitely run the OEM pulley if you're going to be running the AASCO flywheel. That's just too much weight off of the rotating assembly that it wouldn't be able to properly reduce harmonics upon deceleration. The power gain is tempting, but you'll find that amount of power in the tune by itself, and then some.
11-16-2016, 09:25 AM
#1243
the car in the video is a kseries all around. it is just showing the capabilities of the shifting of using the box.
as long as you get a rsx style shifter you do not have to move any pin for the cl-s tran, only accord/tl tran you will have to.
as long as you get a rsx style shifter you do not have to move any pin for the cl-s tran, only accord/tl tran you will have to.
11-20-2016, 11:23 AM
#1245
Engine build has begun. Will use 3.5 crank. Goals are 350whp 300wtq and 2400 lb curb weight.
This will be my last post on here. Keeping the rest of my build secret.
Who knows, might even throw rotrex on it. Stand alone ecu opens up so many options.
This will be my last post on here. Keeping the rest of my build secret.
Who knows, might even throw rotrex on it. Stand alone ecu opens up so many options.
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11-23-2016, 04:50 AM
#1255
Actually thinking of holding off till after tuning and getting dyno with stock internals. No need to rush it.
Will most likely just do budget build with just J35a3 Crank & Rods, and RL Pistons. Think that is smartest thing to do. Going any further will result in an engine build over 10k easy.
Will most likely just do budget build with just J35a3 Crank & Rods, and RL Pistons. Think that is smartest thing to do. Going any further will result in an engine build over 10k easy.
12-02-2016, 02:07 PM
#1256
Here is what I am working on now.
"Hello Brian,
We can make you Koni 2812 series shocks for your Acura CL. These are aluminum body coilover double adjustable units with the both rebound and compression adjusters located at the top of the pin. The lower body cap on both would be steel. Pricing is $1000 each, so $4000 for the set for the shocks alone. This wouldn’t include springs or top mounts but would include bump rubbers.
Another alternative would be Penske. I’m still working this one out, but Penske does have the lower spud mount for the front shock. We’d need to come up with the rear lower mount. There are some options with Penske including single and double adjustable. What is your preference for adjustability?
Thank you
Thomas"
"Hello Brian,
We can make you Koni 2812 series shocks for your Acura CL. These are aluminum body coilover double adjustable units with the both rebound and compression adjusters located at the top of the pin. The lower body cap on both would be steel. Pricing is $1000 each, so $4000 for the set for the shocks alone. This wouldn’t include springs or top mounts but would include bump rubbers.
Another alternative would be Penske. I’m still working this one out, but Penske does have the lower spud mount for the front shock. We’d need to come up with the rear lower mount. There are some options with Penske including single and double adjustable. What is your preference for adjustability?
Thank you
Thomas"
12-02-2016, 03:39 PM
#1257
If you were to install the TSX rear knuckles, then you would have more rear lower shock options. The NSX rear lower shock mount is very similar to the TSX/'03+ Accord/'04+ TL, and I think KW Suspension makes all the way up to V3 coilovers for the NSX. Of course, you'd need Accord/TL/CL-specific fronts,but maybe that's possible with a custom order. If not KW, then it would still expand your options with some other manufacturers.
12-03-2016, 08:16 AM
#1258
If you were to install the TSX rear knuckles, then you would have more rear lower shock options. The NSX rear lower shock mount is very similar to the TSX/'03+ Accord/'04+ TL, and I think KW Suspension makes all the way up to V3 coilovers for the NSX. Of course, you'd need Accord/TL/CL-specific fronts,but maybe that's possible with a custom order. If not KW, then it would still expand your options with some other manufacturers.
KW does make V1 for 98-02 Accord Sedan, so maybe could ask about better setup. Not sure why it is listed as sedan only? Would think it is same as coupe.
Just trying to see what options there are. Not very many under 4 grand that would be worth upgrading to from zeal.
12-19-2016, 11:27 PM
#1260
12-24-2016, 10:24 AM
#1261
Probably will just stick with my zeal coils for 2017. Not really wanting to spend 5 grand. Noone is really eager to make parts for our platform, gotta bug them constantly.
Fortune Auto makes coils for our car, just not sure how good they are. Fastest fwd car in North America runs their dreadnought setup.
Sucks not having my cl to drive or work on for over a month. Just 1-2 more months to wait hopefully. Have not even talked to shop in a few weeks. My car is just sitting on a lift, waiting for Endless's rebuilder to come back from Japan in January. Should get car back sometime late Jan or February.
My Hybrid RSX shifter arrived this week.. Will ship it to shop and ask them to make me custom mounting plate for it. Will be using oem cables to start, and maybe switch to hybrid cables later on.
Have extra front bumper I plan on modifying for track duties and to add front splitter. Will use current bumper with Ron Jon lip for street and autocross.
Last I talked to Scott, they had transmission out and were waiting on clutch to arrive. Was told they installed custom engine wire harness and had to do some modification to it. Not sure if they bought EMS2 or are waiting on me to buy one.
Still going over spring rates in my head and whether to setup more for autocross or track.
Last edited by brian6speed; 12-24-2016 at 10:26 AM.
01-10-2017, 09:14 AM
#1264
Yep. Custom tucktech harness for AEM ems2 is installed with all parts to convert to auto sensors installed. AEM ems2 is at shop with car.
Coil overs have been sent to Endless for rebuild. Once those arrive the shop can put car back on ground and do the dyno tuning. Excited to see what numbers it makes. Updates should speed up now.
Coil overs have been sent to Endless for rebuild. Once those arrive the shop can put car back on ground and do the dyno tuning. Excited to see what numbers it makes. Updates should speed up now.
01-19-2017, 11:42 AM
#1266
Update: Was issue with Aasco flywheel, so needed to be sent back. Shop should get it back soon, hopefully.
Shock rebuilder is still in Japan till 1/28, so shocks are in line for rebuild.
Sent shifter to HR to inspect and should have it back today. Debating whether to buy HR Race shifter cables or just stay oem.
If anyone is interested in my 18x8.5 +52 SSR Type F wheels pm me. Would let them go for good price. No curb rash or bends. Have extra set of tire valves and 5 of the nice carbon fiber center caps.
Also have basically brand new set of rear koni shocks assembled with eibach race springs, new top hats, etc. Only used them to put on car when sent coils for rebuild. Few hundred miles at most. Have Front Eibach race springs new. Best street setup for our cars IMO. No clunking over bumps like all coil overs have.
Shock rebuilder is still in Japan till 1/28, so shocks are in line for rebuild.
Sent shifter to HR to inspect and should have it back today. Debating whether to buy HR Race shifter cables or just stay oem.
If anyone is interested in my 18x8.5 +52 SSR Type F wheels pm me. Would let them go for good price. No curb rash or bends. Have extra set of tire valves and 5 of the nice carbon fiber center caps.
Also have basically brand new set of rear koni shocks assembled with eibach race springs, new top hats, etc. Only used them to put on car when sent coils for rebuild. Few hundred miles at most. Have Front Eibach race springs new. Best street setup for our cars IMO. No clunking over bumps like all coil overs have.
Last edited by brian6speed; 01-19-2017 at 11:44 AM.
01-19-2017, 12:42 PM
#1267
Got HR shifter back, but more issues. They fixed play I was concerned about, but now other arm/ball has more play now. They seem to have great customer service, but have issues with assembly. Not something I can trust in my car. Will be sticking with stock since it has no issues. Maybe go with k-tuned down road, but screw spending all that for added weight. Disappointing.
01-19-2017, 02:21 PM
#1268
3.5 psi
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so many little issues it seems! At least it's the off season for you and you have another car. What was the problem with the Aasco? It feel like I've read a few times of people having issues with them. I'd love to grab those shocks, but it's not in the financial cards these days.
01-19-2017, 05:56 PM
#1269
so many little issues it seems! At least it's the off season for you and you have another car. What was the problem with the Aasco? It feel like I've read a few times of people having issues with them. I'd love to grab those shocks, but it's not in the financial cards these days.
Not sure the exact issue with flywheel. Just got a quick messenger update from shop owner. Will get more details later. The new flywheel should arrive next week, then they want to put it in and get car running again.
01-26-2017, 11:16 AM
#1273
Don't really want to bash HR or shifter, they seem like a good company. Hopefully you get one assembled better than mine.
If I ever change shifters, I'd go with K-tuned next time. Stock shifter with pspec kit does its job well, so no need to spend 500-1000 unless you want bling. I do have extra new oem shifter box I can swap pspec short shifter to when my current one gets too much play.
My shop is also a K-Tuned distributor. 2 fastest fwd time attack Hondas in North America use the k-tuned, but both are sponsored and get parts free.
Last edited by brian6speed; 01-26-2017 at 11:19 AM.
02-01-2017, 11:56 AM
#1275
Few updates:
Suspension is installed and car is finally back on ground. Left front springs alone at 12kg/mm. Rear we swapped the 8kg/mm for 14kg/mm Swift Springs.
Supposedly the Tucktech harness I bought on here was garbage. Needed a lot of modification. Shop told me it was so bad that the connectors just fell off. They had to re-pin every connection. Will never use Tucktech or any aftermarket harness builder again. Only King Motorsports Unlimited from now on.
The car is running, but still needs to be tuned.
The shop actually never received the flywheel that supposedly needed to be returned. I assume that info came from Heeltoe or XLR8. My shop thinks it was just a delay tactic and the flywheel they received was perfectly fine.
Sorry to people that pmed me about parts. Been too busy and lazy to clean, take pics, and get shipping quotes yet. I am not blowing you off.
Suspension is installed and car is finally back on ground. Left front springs alone at 12kg/mm. Rear we swapped the 8kg/mm for 14kg/mm Swift Springs.
Supposedly the Tucktech harness I bought on here was garbage. Needed a lot of modification. Shop told me it was so bad that the connectors just fell off. They had to re-pin every connection. Will never use Tucktech or any aftermarket harness builder again. Only King Motorsports Unlimited from now on.
The car is running, but still needs to be tuned.
The shop actually never received the flywheel that supposedly needed to be returned. I assume that info came from Heeltoe or XLR8. My shop thinks it was just a delay tactic and the flywheel they received was perfectly fine.
Sorry to people that pmed me about parts. Been too busy and lazy to clean, take pics, and get shipping quotes yet. I am not blowing you off.
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in for numbers
02-08-2017, 09:28 AM
#1278
The gains were lower than I was hoping for. Think my Comptech header manifolds are a restriction. The stock ecu seems to do an amazing job for my setup. Going to upgrade injectors and tune on e85. Will post both results when completed.
02-12-2017, 07:39 PM
#1279
Dyno Tune on AEM EMS2
Like I mentioned before, numbers aren't anything to write home about. Did not get any details, just have graph to post. Keep in mind lightweight under-drive pulley was replaced with oem pulley and lightweight flywheel.
My only conclusions would be oem ecu is sufficient, the tune is mild, or header manifolds are a restriction. Gained some decent mid-range tq, and raised redline to 7200. Car should rev faster, so higher redline will help at autocross where you are at rev limiter in 2nd. ECU also opens up more options for future.
Out of all power mods I have done, ecu & tune was worst as far as power per dollar gains. Funny everything you read says opposite. Has anyone ever seen less gains from a tune than mine ever? Comments welcome.
Like I mentioned before, numbers aren't anything to write home about. Did not get any details, just have graph to post. Keep in mind lightweight under-drive pulley was replaced with oem pulley and lightweight flywheel.
My only conclusions would be oem ecu is sufficient, the tune is mild, or header manifolds are a restriction. Gained some decent mid-range tq, and raised redline to 7200. Car should rev faster, so higher redline will help at autocross where you are at rev limiter in 2nd. ECU also opens up more options for future.
Out of all power mods I have done, ecu & tune was worst as far as power per dollar gains. Funny everything you read says opposite. Has anyone ever seen less gains from a tune than mine ever? Comments welcome.
Last edited by brian6speed; 02-12-2017 at 07:53 PM.
