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Old 02-15-2012, 07:12 PM   #121
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I see Legend's point.

At the the same time...I don't know...whenever a celebrity passes away, I am usually shocked at first with the news then feel a sense of sorrow for the lives they "could have" lived. Yet, as much as I adore Houston's talent, I just didn't feel the same as I did for, say, Michael Jackson. And, I was even a big Michael Jackson fan when he was alive; in fact, I thought of him as quite a deranged and wacky individual.

Granted, I didn't listen to much her of songs aside from the one from The Bodyguard, yet her image over the years as a drug addict and crazy stunts really made it difficult for me to feel much sympathy for her passing. Flawed person yes, but it's also fair to say her countless poor judgments were the reasons that led to her untimely demise.
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I see Legend's point.

At the the same time...I don't know...whenever a celebrity passes away, I am usually shocked at first with the news then feel a sense of sorrow for the lives they "could have" lived. Yet, as much as I adore Houston's talent, I just didn't feel the same as I did for, say, Michael Jackson. And, I was even a big Michael Jackson fan when he was alive; in fact, I thought of him as quite a deranged and wacky individual.

Granted, I didn't listen to much her of songs aside from the one from The Bodyguard, yet her image over the years as a drug addict and crazy stunts really made it difficult for me to feel much sympathy for her passing. Flawed person yes, but it's also fair to say her countless poor judgments were the reasons that led to her untimely demise.
+1, I was not a MJ or WH fan but I was a huge Led Zeppelin fan in high school, when their drummer died of chocking on his own vomit after he drank heavily I thought what a complete waste.

Since that I become much more selective of people who I admire who nowadays are people who make a difference across the world. Mostly scientists, engineers (I'm biased ), and business leaders who created things who made a difference to many people. As much as I admire Steve Jobs, to me Dennis Ritchie (recently passed away from cancer) who invented "C" and co-invented UNIX made so much more of a impact to the world.

That's why I find the whole celebrity culture in the world to be kinda strange.

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^ I was wondering the same thing too. Why would this thread be locked? Is she resurrected or something?
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Depressing?

Just decided to put the in since I've never got to before. Carry on fellow ramblers.
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Too bad she did die though. It has to be hard on daughter.
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Too bad she did die though. It has to be hard on daughter.
She is following in momma's footsteps.
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now we can only hope that Bobby follows suit due to depression over the loss
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^I'm sorry if I sound ignorant here.
I know that their relationship was rocky(to say the least) butt, is he even relevant any more?
like the only time I hear about him is when Whitney is brought up.

Also, is Chris Brown akin to Bobby Brown?
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Also, is Chris Brown akin to Bobby Brown?
Id draw a closer comparison with him to Ike Turner.
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I heard on the radio this morning that Bobby Brown has been asked by the family to not attend the funeral.
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I heard on the radio this morning that Bobby Brown has been asked by the family to not attend the funeral.
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Old 02-16-2012, 12:34 PM   #138
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Id draw a closer comparison with him to Ike Turner.
Related, not compared to, was the question.
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Related, not compared to, was the question.
Thats one of the definitions.

Akin - of similar character

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Thats one of the definitions.

Akin - of similar character

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"As the controversy grew, Christie pointed out that he has ordered flags in the state be flown at half-staff for all 31 of the New Jersey soldiers who have died during his time in office and every fallen police officer during that time.Governors of American states are authorized by federal law to make this order at their discretion to honor state officials or residents who have died. Nothing requires that the person honored must be a politician or service member; in fact, Christie approved a similar order when Springsteen band member Clarence Clemons died last June."


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^I'm sorry if I sound ignorant here.
I know that their relationship was rocky(to say the least) butt, is he even relevant any more?
like the only time I hear about him is when Whitney is brought up.

Also, is Chris Brown akin to Bobby Brown?
no, Bobby hasnt been relevant in years. However, being from Boston I'm sure he's mentioned more in the news here than anywhere else.

Total loser, when he was still married to Whitney he was arrested, or had warrants issued multiple times due to non payment of child support for his kids that live in Boston.
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Thats one of the definitions.

Akin - of similar character

I dislike the related definition. it should be:
a kin: a relative
akin: similar to
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Total loser, when he was still married to Whitney he was arrested, or had warrants issued multiple times due to non payment of child support for his kids that live in Boston.
I've been around the world and thats the way love is til the end of time.
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As three limos pulled out of the funeral home with a police escort fans were pushed away and moved up the street behind barricades. According to CBS 2’s Christine Sloan, that’s when tempers started to flare.

“I’m a taxpayer in the city … born and raised in this city … They should stop treating us like animals. We’re taxpayers … We made this lady who she is today,” resident Floyd Bishop said.

“Cissy Houston should come out and wave to us and say thank you. She shouldn’t have them keep us away. We bought her music. We helped succeed in what she had done over the years,” added Charlene Williams.

“Taxpayers paying for all this, treating us like we’re from the street or something. Make no sense,” resident Shawn Holsted said.

Because of the Houston family’s request for privacy police have had no choice but to keep the crowds away. Many fans understood.
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are taxpayers really paying for her funeral? My tax money? how did that happen? I'd be protesting too!
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are taxpayers really paying for her funeral? My tax money? how did that happen? I'd be protesting too!
I'm assuming they are talking about the extra use of city services, i.e- extra cops.
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What an ass
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Bobby Brown, the ex-husband of Whitney Houston, left the New Hope Baptist Church just minutes before the funeral was to begin.

According to a person familiar with the situation, Brown brought an entourage of nine people with him to the Newark church and wanted them to sit with them in the family section.

"They were asked to leave," the person said, referring to the entourage. Brown was not asked to leave, but "he left with the other people," according to the person, who was not at liberty to discuss the situation publicly.


Brown appeared visibly upset as he left the church and got into a black Cadillac SUV.

There had been speculation all week as to whether Brown would attend today's service. He was asked to the invitation-only service late in the week.

Brown, an R&B artist, and Houston had a volatile 14-year marriage that ended bitterly. Houston received full custody of their daughter, Bobbi Kristina.
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There certainly has been huge coverage of her funeral today.
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"As the controversy grew, Christie pointed out that he has ordered flags in the state be flown at half-staff for all 31 of the New Jersey soldiers who have died during his time in office and every fallen police officer during that time.Governors of American states are authorized by federal law to make this order at their discretion to honor state officials or residents who have died. Nothing requires that the person honored must be a politician or service member; in fact, Christie approved a similar order when Springsteen band member Clarence Clemons died last June."


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I'm Chris Christie voter and relatively constant supporter of him on issues such as ARC and his gay marriage veto but on this, . I'm sorry but the lowering of the flag to half staff is NOT appropriate. She may have been a more famous resident of NJ than say Marine Cpl Kevin Reinhard but, the latter's contribution to our state (and country) is far more profound.
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Dear every major media outlet,

Much the same as Amy Winehouse, this death did not come as a shock. No one cares, no one is surprised. Please stop showing "news" on this subject, and anything else in the future similar.

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Nope, not comparing. Just pointing out both were flawed people, she with drugs, him with driving recklessly in many races.

It's OK for you to be a fan but to idolize Senna in one thread and just think of Houston as just a crack-head in another makes it kinda strange.
Whitney's fans remember her for her career. Brazilians remember Senna for giving away an est. $400 million back to his people. His racing career was 2nd to his charity for why was he mourned in Brazil. They lost a man who tried to better their nation.

Aggressive driving is hardly a reason to sit there & say Senna shouldn't be idolized if Whitney can't because she used drugs.
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Yeah aggressive driving, I said reckless there's a difference

Portugal 88, Japan 90, Japan, 91, Italy 93,..proves what little you know as usual

Not just my opinion but that of Stewart, Moss, Fangio, and other of his peers.
Except Stewart & Moss went as far as to be the pallbearers at Senna's funeral. They set aside their differences to pay respect. And despite 2 consecutive controversial races in Japan, they were the 2nd largest country to have paid tribute to him. Honda & Japanese F1 fans have an incredibly high view of Senna, well above that of most celebrities.

I can't believe you are actually trying to discredit Moog for paying respect to someone who arguably deserves it to a woman who made a living off singing & using a portion of her proceeds for drugs, and then "miraculously" died from said usage.

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Whitney's fans remember her for her career. Brazilians remember Senna for giving away an est. $400 million back to his people. His racing career was 2nd to his charity for why was he mourned in Brazil. They lost a man who tried to better their nation.

Aggressive driving is hardly a reason to sit there & say Senna shouldn't be idolized if Whitney can't because she used drugs.
Pablo Escobar also gave away millions to poor Colombians and built multiple soccer stadiums, not comparing him to either. Just because you give away money doesn't always qualify you as a saint either.

And understand there's a very fine line between aggressive and reckless that you you and Moog don't seem to understand. Aggressive is not yielding at all or attacking where the space is small. Reckless is to deliberately run into other cars/drivers which Senna did up until the Monza of 93. That's my simple point, brilliant driver but unsportsman to the point of deliberately endangering other drivers.

Also do you have a source for the $400M for the amount of money the Senna foundation gave away? i tried to find one before and couldn't find any amount with Google. thwe website doesn't also list any amount.

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Except Stewart & Moss went as far as to be the pallbearers at Senna's funeral. They set aside their differences to pay respect. And despite 2 consecutive controversial races in Japan, they were the 2nd largest country to have paid tribute to him. Honda & Japanese F1 fans have an incredibly high view of Senna, well above that of most celebrities.

I can't believe you are actually trying to discredit Moog for paying respect to someone who arguably deserves it to a woman who made a living off singing & using a portion of her proceeds for drugs, and then "miraculously" died from said usage.
BTW, these are the same majority Japanese people who didn't believe/think they did any atrocities to the Chinese people in Nanking in WW2 as well.

Agree that most of Senna's peer's put aside there differences for his funeral but that still did not change their characterization of his reckless driving.

Again simple point, she wrecked her life and ultimately paid the price and that will hurt her family forever. However she didn't deliberately endanger the life of her peers either.

That's where I can't get the Senna and Schumacher fascination of many to not look at their bad aspects as well and that includes some current F1 drivers. Brilliantly talented and highly successful but also flawed. IMO Fangio, Clark, Stewart, and Prost will always reign over those two.

Back to Houston, she made some great music but also wrecked her voice and life with drugs but that does not diminish the fact she was a great artist at one point.

So for someone to just look at the bad of one indivdual and only the great of another is just a fraud.

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Much the same as Amy Winehouse, this death did not come as a shock. No one cares, no one is surprised. Please stop showing "news" on this subject, and anything else in the future similar.

Thanks,
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They'll cover it if there are people watching it. Personally, I hardly saw any media coverage of Whitney's death. Why? Didn't watch any on TV and only read one or two articles online (when it happened). However, based on the hoopla surrounding it all, I can tell I'm in the very small minority...
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Pablo Escobar also gave away millions to poor Colombians and built multiple soccer stadiums, not comparing him to either. Just because you give away money doesn't always qualify you as a saint either.

And understand there's a very fine line between aggressive and reckless that you you and Moog don't seem to understand. Aggressive is not yielding at all or attacking where the space is small. Reckless is to deliberately run into other cars/drivers which Senna did up until the Monza of 93. That's my simple point, brilliant driver but unsportsman to the point of deliberately endangering other drivers.

Also do you have a source for the $400M for the amount of money the Senna foundation gave away? i tried to find one before and couldn't find any amount with Google. thwe website doesn't also list any amount.

http://senna.globo.com/



BTW, these are the same majority Japanese people who didn't believe/think they did any atrocities to the Chinese people in Nanking in WW2 as well.

Agree that most of Senna's peer's put aside there differences for his funeral but that still did not change their characterization of his reckless driving.

Again simple point, she wrecked her life and ultimately paid the price and that will hurt her family forever. However she didn't deliberately endanger the life of her peers either.

That's where I can't get the Senna and Schumacher fascination of many to not look at their bad aspects as well and that includes some current F1 drivers. Brilliantly talented and highly successful but also flawed. IMO Fangio, Clark, Stewart, and Prost will always reign over those two.

Back to Houston, she made some great music but also wrecked her voice and life with drugs but that does not diminish the fact she was a great artist at one point.

So for someone to just look at the bad of one indivdual and only the great of another is just a fraud.
You did just compare Senna to a drug lord.

We disagree with you again on you saying Senna was reckless...sorry.

Houston's daughter is a addict.... coincidence? Nope. She by example, and getting high with here daughter...did in fact endanger and still is endangering here life.
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You did just compare Senna to a drug lord.

We disagree with you again on you saying Senna was reckless...sorry.

Houston's daughter is a addict.... coincidence? Nope. She by example, and getting high with here daughter...did in fact endanger and still is endangering here life.
I guess you can't read also "not comparing him to either"

You can disagree all you want, but his interviews as stating what happened as well as what Moss, Stewart, Fangio and other peers stated about his reckless style. Sorry but Fangio, Moss, and Stewart each alone trump you anytime on any racing matter

And where is the source for the mom getting high with her daughter?

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