TylerT

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Maybe type-s09 was running a fast track with ideal weather conditions?

Anybody else have insight on this?

iforyou

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he's good..and he's able to extract the best out of his car?

anx1300c

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You have much to learn young grasshopper.

It's not like we're talking about the same driver, on the same track, running the two cars back to back. If Type-S 09 was driving this guy's TL-S when he ran 13.99 in his '05, he probably could've turned in a low 13.80.

Different tracks, tires, drivers, weather conditions, etc etc.....

bruce.augenstein@comcast.

2000, 2500

anx1300c

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Plus, Type-S's '05 always was a bit of a freak anyway. Didn't he dyno at like 235 WHP with just the intake? Most base 6MT's wouldn't even hit 230 with just the intake.

ifirahse

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What do you run will all those mods?

anx1300c

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Thanks. That's about what I figured. On the street, with new Potenza 960's I've found 2500-2700 seems to work best. Anything north of 3K pretty much ends up in smoke. Closer to 2K and the car bogs considerably.

So you think powershifting doesn't work well with these cars? I've never done it on 1/2, but on 2/3 and 3/4 it seems pretty efficient. I think I need to hit the track either this weekend or next. Otherwise, I'll have to wait until Spring.

anx1300c

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No time slips yet. I likely have the power to get into the 13's, but whether or not I can do it without drag radials is the question.

dr_brains510

Well he did also get a 13.6 w/ a s/c and all the other mods he has on. So it really didn't do much. It kind of evened itself out lol.

anx1300c

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That 13.6 was with a severely slipping clutch though. If he was running basically 14.00 with 235 WHP, 327 WHP is certainly good for more than 4/10.

dr_brains510

Hopefully he has taken care of that "severely" slipping clutch. I know he's a good driver so I'm crossing my fingers he can get at least 13.2 or better. Until he does, he's still at 13.6 w/ all those mods.

ifirahse

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You guys think a type-s auto can break 14 with:
-exhaust/j-pipe/test pipe
-pulley
-intake with spacer
-grippy summer tires

i'm dying to find out what my 0-60 and 1/4 times are.

bruce.augenstein@comcast.

Met your son last night (a personable and well-spoken young man), and because I've never even noticed the Headliner on these forums, I didn't know what the heck he was talking about when he mentioned "Acurazine".

In any event, we were in different lanes and so never met up, but my guess is that he would've creamed me if we had, since I clearly wasn't up to speed (so to speak) last night. I began with an initial 14.88 (forgot to disable traction control), followed by a smoking-clutch 14.60. Then, on the third pass with me determined to go for it, I pop the clutch at about 3000 rpm, and, proving that traction is good, the car wheelhops its way to stardom, with a 2.50 short and a 14.99.

On that run, wheelhop was so bad that the inner sunshade panel ratcheted its way back to about half way open.

I hereby challenge anybody to do better.

I finally do something sort of OK with a 14.15 at 99.88, with a 2.30 short, but all in all, the partnership of Augenstein and Acura will never be a hot stock buy.

Hey, what the heck. I'll settle for that 14.07 at Maple Grove and call it done. Don't know what your son did, but that 3.5 liter in the Altima is certainly a very strong powerplant.

Bruce

F23A4

Thank you. My son mentioned that he met you and stated that you were very cool. He also came away VERY impressed with the TL-S and your performance.....and from your results at both Maple Grove and Etown, so am I.

He had some traction problems as well, despite having new wheel/tire setup from an 05 350Z.

All in all, it sounds like you, he and the Altima SE-R guys there had a great time at the track last night.

anx1300c

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Well, I went to the track today. Unfortunately I got only one run in the quarter and my maiden voyage in the TL was a tire smoking 14.61 @ 99.32, with an embarrassing 2.61 sixty foot. I took off at ~2800 with very little clutch slip and spun badly in first. All shifts on this run were lift throttle. I need to get more familiar with the car on the track before speed shifting.

After that round, they decided to go all 1/8 mile for the rest of the day due to everyone breaking stuff on the track and all the time constraints with clean up (plus there are no lights and daylight is sparse in October.)

On my first 1/8 mile run, I took off a little harder and really lost traction, let off and got back on in first, kept the gas down on the 1-2 shift (HUGE mistake) and spun through half of second. At that point, I just gave up and rolled to a Totota Prius worthy 12.66 @ 53.51. The sad thing here was that I actually cut a fairly respectable .550 light.

On my final run, I went 9.60 @ 79.10 with a slightly less shitty 2.50 short time. The two things I did differently this time were to not dry spin my tires at all and to also not hold the car at the light with the e-brake.

At least I know the power's there with the 99+ trap for some 14.0x -14.1x runs if I can get my 60' times down. I'm definitely going to be looking for some drag radials on TL wheels this Winter. Maybe even some pre-cat deletes to hopefully get my traps up ~101.

anx1300c

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Some random observations I made today: Trailblazer SS's aren't all that I thought they were. There were two of them with intake and exhaust trapping 78-79 mph in the 1/8. They hook well.

Not all late model Mustangs are running deep into the 13's. I talked to a guy with an '08 6MT, bone stock who runs consistent 14.1x's @ 98mph with 2.1x short times. He cannot get the car over 98 mph.

So if you're a 6MT, don't be intimidated by either of these vehicles if they want to play. You just may pull on them.

(The Trailblazer will likely stuff you off the line though)

iforyou

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man I wanna go to the track too but school work is overwhelming............

TL SLEEPER

i have an 04 auto running 9.75 at 74mph in the 1/8 so what do yall think i would run in the 1/4

bruce.augenstein@comcast.

A very good rule of thumb (and true of my most recent passes) is that the 1/8th mile ET should be about 65% of the quarter mile ET for street cars on street tires. Your 9.75 should equate to something very close to 15 flat. Maybe a 14.90something.

Bruce

F23A4

15-flat sounds about right.

MVR 155

One of my friends that manages the speed shop where I buy the parts for my Z06 had a private lane at the local drag strip yesterday. I had to be somewhere early afternoon so I decided against bringing the Z06 since I didnt feel like swapping on the drag radials (not to mention the car is spotless clean in the garage) so I brought my 2007 TL Type S. The car is a 5AT and it bone stock, I had 1/2 tank of fuel, I didnt remove a thing from the car in terms of weight reduction..... I have a sub box in the trunk, Weathertech all weather rubber mats over the stock mats etc.....

Best pass was:

R/T......797
60'.......2.217
330'.....6.189
1/8th...9.422
mph.....75.85
1000'....12.205
1/4.......14.540
MPH......97.23

I played around with launching the car a bit before going..... I found that stalling the car on the converter resulted in a bog/delay before taking off hard, I found the best result from holding one foot on the brake and the other just off the gas pedal... I simultaneously released the brake and mashed the gas to flash the converter.

The weather conditions were quite good with density altitude running right at the track elevation of around 700' above sea level.

Overall Im a bit dissapointed in the performance of the car, it leaves waaaay too soft despite trapping decent MPH. The auto in this car really blows for any type of racing (quite nice for daily commuting though)..... way too much torque management type of tuning. Im sure a good tuning program or some mods that pick up on low end torque (such as a UD pulley and maybe a J-pipe) would help a ton. I also think a little wheel spin off the line may have helped get the rpm's up on the launch. This track is notorious for being very well prepped (I have gotten as good as 1.75 60' times on regular street tires with my previous vette and as good as 1.80 with my current one) so there was no chance is being able to spin the tires with this car making the power it does.

Before anyone comments on why didnt I just get a 6MT...... I use this car for work, I take clients out, drive in downtown Chicago traffic, multi task etc... I also have a better half who does not care to drive a manual so when I am driving the Hummer she needs a car with an auto to drive so a 6MT wasnt an option even though I strongly considered it.

iforyou

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Nice run! I find that if you hold the brake and the gas pedal simultaneously for 1 second and then release the brake, that would give a very good launch. Holding both pedals too long will cause a delay like you said.

Otherwise, 14.5s@97mph is about right. May be if you take a few things off your car and a even better launch and some luck, you might get 14.4@98mph, but I can't imagine the car being any faster than that stock.

I believe currently the highest whp from a NA TL-S 5AT is Blackura's car, with 293whp. In stock form, it had 239whp. Now, he has CAI, J-pipe, cat-back exhaust, RV6 pre-cat delete, pulley, spacer, IM gaskets. Apparently he got 21whp just from the RV6 pre-cat delete. Here is the thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/what-b-u-tiful-day-dyno-690686/

300whp NA shouldn't be a problem considering there are still mods he can do, and he doesn't even have a nice tune.

iforyou

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Was browsing the CL forum and found these times:

Darrinb's 02 CL-S 5AT:
14.27@98.68, stock rubber w/ i/h 55deg
14.21@98.68, with chip 67deg
14.23@99.49, w/o chip 72deg

Nightpoison's 03 CL-S 6MT:
Mods - headers, High Flow Cat, exhaust, CAI, spacer, pulley, 18" A-spec rims,
14.575@97.74mph (2.381s 60')
14.445@100.51mph (2.363s 60')
Both these runs had lots of wheel spin (even in 2nd gear), might have been in the 13's with better launch.

johntypes's 01 CL-S 5AT with NA mods from comptech
14.10 @ 100.07mph (2.17 60Ft, 241.whp, 202.1wtq)
13.57 @ 106.66mph (279.5whp, 292.3wtq with 75 Shot wet)

dfvcl's 03CL-S 6spd with supercharger and headers
13.56 @ 104.45MPH (55 deg at night)

Powerofdreams's 2001 CL-s, auto, 145k miles, K&N cone filter as the only mod.
14.789 @ 95.63mph (2.266s 60')

Streetka's CLS 6 speed STOCK
1/4 mile - 14.341@97.27mph, 60' 2.227s, RT 0.212s

peternguyen504

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..... to answer your question it's possible

08 TL-S 5AT 14.2 @ 99.6 mph
mods are = j/test pipe, ur pulley, stage 3 exhaust, cai intake, tb spacer, w/ general exclaim uhp ultra high performance tires.. plus jl w7 in the trunk saggin'

Time Slip

vs. tiburon gt


Video (not the same race as time slip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Pb-apc1vE

after i get my pre-cat deletes im hoping push for 14 flat...

anx1300c

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99.6 mph is pretty impressive for a 5AT! With pre-cat deletes and a cat back, you should break into the 13's at ~101mph.

MVR 155

Curious as to what track you were at, I have a program that can check up to the minute weather reports for density altitude along with correct ET's for most tracks across the US

peternguyen504

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no problem raceway

Sonnick

MVR that's a pretty sweet program. Here is my time slip:



2.4 60' :thumbsdow

I put all the numbers into the calculation over at DragTimes.com and it reported 13.98 @101.4 even with the 2.4 60'. With a better launch, I think 13.9 @100 is totally feasible especially given the cooler weather. And with good tires, pshht I see 13.7-13.8 with < bolt ons

iforyou

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lol yeaa, take 0.3s off your 60ft and you should see at least 0.5s off your ET!

SatinSilverAV6

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Nice run sonnick. Like you said with a lower 60ft and better tires you will be in the 13's no problem.

Sonnick

Thanks man. I wanna pull 13s on stock tires And I don't mean 13.9..I mean in the 13.6-13.7 range! With another mod or two

TL|GTX

Is it better to run higher or lower psi when drag racing with the mx4x tires. And what will a 5/AT Base TL get? high 14's/

iforyou

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Yup, high 14's for a base 5AT TL. Unless you are very good and lucky.

TL|GTX

Why lucky. The TL-S is only a sec faster anyways. THis fat dude drving in loaner 08 TL with bad launching did 15.1.

dr_brains510

that 1 sec goes a long way when you're racing.

iforyou

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You can always go slower, but it's much hard to go faster. 1 second is a long time. That's the difference between a 2g G35 with 306hp and a 2G TL-S with 5AT and 260hp.

Sonnick

A full second is VERY big. ^^ Good example. Another one would be a 335i and a TL, both stock.

Bearcat94

At 100 MPH, 1 second = ~150 feet. That's like 5 bus lengths.

Assume:

- A linear average speed for both cars;
- My TL-S at 14.3 sec;
- Your whatever at 15.3 sec.

When I hit the 1/4 mile, you'll be ~86.5 feet behind me. Thats ~5 1/2 car lengths or something like 3 bus lengths; a pretty major ass whipping.



Ever hear of "math"? Try it sometime.

Bearcat94

Nice job!!

I am encouraged. I have nearly the same mods. A little weight reduction, improved 60' and good conditions, and I am hopeful I could run 14.1 - 14.2. Dare I wish .... 14 Don't know if I'll have a chance to get out before sping - .

Do you have any suspension mods; lowered? If so, what? What wheels and what size?

anx1300c

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Define a "bad" launch in a base 5AT.

And people are taking loaners to the strip? That's pretty funny actually.