docboy

On a side note during my dealership visit today, I was given a 2013 ILX as a loaner.

And Acura has to wonder why the ILX is selling so poorly? The ILX is a POS. Right off the bat I noticed:
1) The interior is CRAMPED. I'm barely 5'11" and my head kept hitting the roof, and my left arm had no room to relax. I got a severe back and body ache after driving the ILX for 5min.
2) Overall driving position is poor; rear leg room is meager.
3) Interior has a very cheap feel with pronounced road noise
4) Engine is severely underpowered; I mashed the throttle and all I got was a lot of hum and noise.

At $27k, the ILX is a poor buy and not a good value, esp compared to the 1G TSX. The ILX reminded me of the Corolla I had a few months ago when my TL was in the shop for rim repair. Acura needs to take the ILX back to the drawing boards for an immediate redesign.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

Agree.

I was also given a fully-loaded ILX once, when I went in to service my TL.

That ILX was extremely well equipped (even with illuminated door sills), but the underpowered 2.0L-I4 engine is a game-changing let-down. Acura should have use the reserved-for-manual-tranny-only 200hp 2.4L-I4 as the standard engine on the ILX.

No wonder the ILX is received with such poor sales.

Edward'TLS

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mylove4cars

Totally on the money, my experience was no less than yours.

maxikeem

I have a 2010 6MT also consuming oil, about a quart every oil change, but I only have 26k miles.
Hi doc which dealership did you go to.
I need to get the TSB done for the oil sensor before my warranty runs out.

docboy

Acura of Bellevue.

I've noticed the service techs appear to be nice, but they are heavily biased towards Acura and against the consumer.

I wished they would have told me about the TSB before my warranty ran out. Mine ran out due to years owned, though I am under 50k miles.

I'm wondering now even if my oil sensor needed replacement at all.

maxikeem

Thanks.. I will take it in.

lji

Do you have a link for the oil sensor tsb or the tsb itself? I'm also due to run out later on this year on the warranty and would like to see if this applies to mine as well... Thanks!

docboy

There should be someone on AZ who should be able to post a working link for you. Unfortunately I don't know how, as it's a link that has instructions on how to get it to work right.

maxikeem

Hi doc.. how did u get them to fix your third gear issue. Mine only pops out occasionally. . Mostly in the mornings. .

ucf_bronco

iTrader: (1)

^^^ You should try changing your MTF. I did that while upgrading my shifter cable bushings and have not had the 3rd gear poput since then. I'm not sure which of these changes had the effect, but you could start with the MTF. I was @ 30k miles when I changed it.

The fact you don't have a problem once your car is warmed up leads me to believe the MTF change would solve it.

maxikeem

I will try changing the mt fluid then. What kind of fluid did you use?. I also get a cluncky sound when changing from 1st to 2nd and occasionally 2nd to 3rd. This happens only after driving for a while.. any thoughts. . Thanks

ucf_bronco

iTrader: (1)

I used the Acura fluid...bought it at the dealership. Click here for a DIY.

Not sure about the 'cluncky sound' issue.

maxikeem

Ok. I will let the dealer check it out. Did you do your oil sensor tsb?

KrisKasprzak

what a mess... my 2010 TL 3.7L AWD seemed to drink a bunch of oil 6 months back and no warning lights ever came on, but there is a message in the Diagnostics.

Anyone if the diagnostic message can be erased?

Samba

For those who experience oil burning,do you use syntactic or conventional motor oil? What brand? Thanks.

Edward'TLS

Honda OEM 0w20 full synthetic.

JM2010 SH-AWD

Is Acura recommending 0w20 now for the 3.7? Awhile back, they extended the range of vehicles that could use 0W, but specifically excluded the 3.7 motor in the SH AWD models. Last I saw (and heard from my dealer) 5W20 is still the recommended oil for this car.


Not sure how much a diff it makes, but Acura must have its reasons.

Edward'TLS

At least in Canada, Acura dealerships are using OEM 0w20 synthetic oil in all 2012+ TL (FWD & AWD) sedans.

docboy

I'm using 5W-20 per Acura manual. I bought a case of Mobil 5W-20 from Costco (2Q I used already from last oil warning message). The rest I have for future occurrences.

hondaracer4vtec

oil sensor TSB is a good problem. My accord and MDX have the same part number. same with your TL. morning cold starts... light goes on.. pumps works harder...getting air pressure up in the engine...makes the oil escape somewhere. ON my 08 accord 6-6 was loosing oil a quart every 1,500 miles... now with the switch replaced.. nothing in the last 3k.

maxikeem

mobil1 5w20

lji

Thanks! Found it on this thread itself ... page 1, post #21

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=905239

lji

Here's the pdf showing the oil viscosity usage for different Acura models. The chart shows up to the 2012 MY... there may be an updated chart.

EE4Life

Attached is the latest Acura Genuine Oils and Fluids Applications chart.

lji

Would you happen to have one of these for Honda's as well?

Thanks!

docboy

I'm curious to know how replacing the oil sensor affects the vehicle burning oil in anyway? Thanks.

EE4Life

Attached is the latest Honda Genuine Oils and Fluids Applications chart.

heisnuts

The oil sensor will not affect oil burning in any way. The only thing the sensor does is indicate when the oil level is getting low and to give the driver a warning that oil may need to be added. What was happening in some cases was the sensor was giving a low oil warning when the oil level was really full (or very close to full). In those cases replacing the sensor fixed that issue. However, in your case, if the oil really was low and the message came up, the sensor was doing its job and letting you know that the engine needed oil added.

docboy

My thoughts exactly. Except the stealership made it sound like my oil sensor was malfunctioning, and they wouldn't do the oil consumption test unless the oil sensor was replaced. My initial thoughts were that the oil sensor was fine and that stealership took advantage of the situation; plus being my TL out of general warranty, they made $165 out of me.

I suspect the oil sensor was fine. We'll see what happens when I go in the for the 1,000 mile test and see what they see. I'm at ~350 miles now since the sensor was replaced, and the oil level is about halfway between the max and min mark.

lji

I think you mentioned them topping off the oil the last time you there at the dealership, correct? So, now you've burned 1/2 quart (oil level b/w max and min) in 350 miles. So, if it's linear, you'll have burned a quart in 700 miles, which would enable them to fix it (replace shortblock??) under the powertrain warranty.

docboy

I need to double check the miles again to make sure how many miles has it been since the dealership visit, but yes, the tech I have assigned to me said that if I have burned through more than 1.0Q of oil in 1,000 miles, that would be within the 6yr/70k powertrain warranty and engine fixes are in order; the tech mentioned something about seals, gaskets....

I talked to my mechanic about this oil consumption issue; he says many Honda's have said issue and the fix would be essentially a new engine or engine rebuild. If I have to get an engine rebuild, I'm done with Acura and moving on to Audi or Porsche, as it essentially defeats the purpose with me buying an Acura (for reliability and value)...

skyline8610

Bought my 2010 3.7 auto with 41k miles in January from a Acura dealer. 4 months later and 3k miles later I get a oil level low warning. I changed the oil my self and find it has about 2 or 3 quarts tops of black oil in it. Wth. Oil meter was at 30% still btw.

ABDomega

You really have to keep an eye on your oil level with the 3.7.

I have just shy of 35k (bought at around 29k). MID says 30% remaining. Over the course of that time period (6 months) I've added a quart.

It's consistent so far but I check my oil after every fill up because I really don't know what it's going to do, especially with warmer weather down the road.

docboy

Update:

Finally hit the 1,000 mile mark last week; I checked the oil level at home before I brought the car back to the dealership. On the dipstick there is a "high" marker and a "low marker." I saw that the oil level was a tad bit higher than the "low" marker on the dipstick, so I was confident the engine is burning oil at a high rate.

So I made an appointment for today for to measure the oil level, and the service advisor claims I was only 0.2Q low. He says "everything is fine, the engine is burning a little oil, but there's nothing wrong, everything is within normal specs. We topped of the oil a bit, washed the car, and here are your keys."

Mind you it took the dealership ~45min and I was in a rush to get back to the office, so I asked the tech quickly "How much oil is between the high and low marker on the dipstick?" He claims he didn't know and he would have to ask the actual mechanic who worked on the car.

So anyways I rushed out of the dealership to go to the office. Now that I have some time to think about it, I could have sworn the difference between the high and low marking is ~1.0Q. Can anyone confirm this? Did the service tech just give me the shaft?

probmxstyle

Last time my car was on the low marker, 1 qt brought it up to the max line.

docboy

That's what I thought.

Can anyone confirm that 1qt brings up the oil level from low to high marker?

I still think the dealership played me off as a fool, and by them topping off the oil today to the high markers, I think they're trying to mask the issue. The Acura bulletin clearly states that burning 1.0Q oil through 1,000 miles warrants an engine eval/repair.

It's going to take another 1,000 miles (1.5 months) before I burn through another 1qt of oil as proof. Fricking A. This service tech must think I'm a bozo. 0.2qts low my a$$.

Should I get Acura Corporate involved now?

lji

Take a picture of the oil stick measure right after you pull up at the dealership. This way, they can't yank you around. You might want to start documenting everything from here on out... Check out what this guy with the Porsche had to go through...

http://www.carthrottle.com/this-hila...-a-must-watch/

docboy

Update:

I noticed my oil level has again dropped. The oil mark is now barely touching the very tip of the dipstick, and well below the "low level" since the tech claimed the last time I brought the vehicle in it was only 0.2Q low and they topped the oil.

I started a case with Acura client relations, and have another appointment with the dealership this week, and informed the dealership I have an ongoing case with Acura.

I wonder what the tech is going to say this time, it's normal?

This time, immediately after I drive the TL to the service tech, I'm going to pop the hood, take the dipstick out, take a picture, and show the tech the dipstick before he starts dinking around with me.

docboy

Came back from the dealership today. This time, I showed the tech directly the low oil level on the dipstick before the tech could drive it off without me showing them. I didn't want them to dink me around this time. Tells me it'll be about 1hr to 1hr 15min. So I waited for over an hour before the tech shows up.

First he says with a smile "Car is ready sir, you are all set to go. Oil came back 1.2Q low, we'll just continue monitoring it."

At that point I nearly blew up, told him as nicely as could without causing a scene, "I keep coming back for the same dam thing, this engine keeps consuming oil. What's the point of doing an oil change if I have to keep refilling it? It's a waste of my time to keep coming back and you telling me it's normal. My TSX never did this."

Tech stood there speechless, said he'll go back and talk to the service manager.

I wait another half an hour, tech comes back, ushers me to his private desk, and says they'll get in touch with Acura. Says Acura will want record of oil changes for past year since I get my oil changes at an independent shop. Makes me an appointment next week with a loaner car, and says once they have my oil change receipts, he says something about taking the engine apart, looking at valves, oil pan, etc...

Perhaps, just perhaps, something might be done now. We'll see what happens next week.

FWIW, I also had my oil change/rear diff change this afternoon after my dealership appt. My mechanic, who used to work at MB, says resolving oil consumption is essentially rebuilding the engine, and it's a severe pain in the a$$; very laborious and painstaking, easily 30hrs of labor. No wonder Acura doesn't want to admit their mistake.

More updates to come next week...