Which transmission fluid should i use?
Just got a 04 white acura tl with 92xxx miles. I don't know much about the service that the previous owner did. So i decided to do a major service including timing belt/transmission flush/coolant/spark plugs....
I checked the transmission fluid color and it's pretty brown so i'm pretty sure i need to flush my transmission. The thing is i don't know what transmission fluid to use. Should i use the ATF DW-1 Redline racing type f redline d4 or another brand? Please state what brand are you currently using and the milage your car currently has and at what milage did you change the transmission fluid. I've heard many good stuff about racing type f but did the transmission last? Or should i stick with the oem new dw-1 Please help |
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Don't do a transmission flush, they are not recommended by Honda.
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I've got an '08 TL base 5AT with 30,000 miles. I did a 3x drain/fill with DW-1 about 700 miles ago. I can't really tell any difference in drivability but at least the original factory ATF is gone.
Also, don't forget to change the brake fluid, the engine air filter and the interior air filter behind the glove compartment. |
OEM atf dw-1 suck. Go either Redline D4 or a mixture or Redline D4 and Type F
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Originally Posted by EdinLA-TL
(Post 13581789)
I've got an '08 TL base 5AT with 30,000 miles. I did a 3x drain/fill with DW-1 about 700 miles ago. I can't really tell any difference in drivability but at least the original factory ATF is gone.
Also, don't forget to change the brake fluid, the engine air filter and the interior air filter behind the glove compartment. |
I stick with oem, but that's just me.
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I prefer OEM and went with the DW1 on my TL ('08 w/ 40k) on it. I did notice smoother shifting. The transmission doesn't seem to get hung on up shifts anymore.
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Originally Posted by cokorote
(Post 13582148)
OEM atf dw-1 suck. Go either Redline D4 or a mixture or Redline D4 and Type F
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I hate these threads. :x
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Originally Posted by pohljm
(Post 13583072)
There is no evidence that the DW-1 sucks. Z-1 is another story. I have had trans failures using Z-1 and I have had trans failures using all Redline Racing type F. I am currently using DW-1 in my current trans and its perfectly fine.:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by hleapha
(Post 13583296)
Your transmission FAILED or just acted up?
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For the auto transmissions, the oem honda fluid is second to none IMO (which is based upon reports of independent testing)
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Originally Posted by TheChamp531
(Post 13583273)
I hate these threads. :x
Originally Posted by TheDingo
(Post 13583524)
For the auto transmissions, the oem honda fluid is second to none IMO (which is based upon reports of independent testing)
For me, straight Type F racing fluid. 107,000 miles. Shifts better than the day I bought it brand new. It's had a non recommended fluid in it since before it turned 20,000 miles. Somewhere around 30,000 miles on the racing fluid. It survived track days and Vegas and Phoenix summers along with winters in Flagstaff. I'm out of here. |
[PA System] Mr. IHC, please step away from the http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL836.../401283484.jpg Reply button. [/PA System] :tongue:
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Has searching become that difficult?
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I've stuck with Honda DW1. I have no real issue with it. Then again....with my commute I can go 30 miles before a gear shifts in my car. I have considered looking at something else, but once I did my switches and 3rd 1x3 my transmission shifts very clean.
Originally Posted by flyromeo3
(Post 13584299)
Has searching become that difficult?
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if you use redline fluid, your car will get stolen and stripped the next day. or so i've heard. :shrug:
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the new OEM stuff is good.
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Originally Posted by hleapha
(Post 13583296)
Your transmission FAILED or just acted up?
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I use amsoil. When i first switched i noticed a huge difference in shifting. I also had a delay when slowly accelerating between 2 and 3rd gear and it took car of that. Its not too expensive either right around $11-13 a quart:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Sotiris
(Post 13584910)
I use amsoil. When i first switched i noticed a huge difference in shifting. I also had a delay when slowly accelerating between 2 and 3rd gear and it took car of that. Its not too expensive either right around $11-13 a quart:thumbsup:
http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=ATFQT-EA I've read some good comments about the Amsoil. |
I have an 04 with 72K miles and was having "stuttering", like running over rumple strips. I first went with a 3x3 using Redline F. I experienced some "flaring". I then did a 1x3 using a mixture of 1-F and 2-D4. That was 5000 miles ago. No problems since the last service. Smooth as can be!!
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Originally Posted by Indy04TL
(Post 13584998)
I have an 04 with 72K miles and was having "stuttering", like running over rumple strips. I first went with a 3x3 using Redline F. I experienced some "flaring". I then did did a 1x3 using a mixture of 1-F and 2 D4. That was 5000 miles ago. No problems since the last service. Smooth as can be!!
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I'm likely going with the Redline D4 soon. And pressure switches.
b/c 5-star Transmissions in Amarillo, TX SUUUUUUUUCKS |
just did mine a 2 weeks ago with Honda oem dw-1 a 3x3 drain and refill. the transmission is better in the cold and does shift a little smoother. no complaints.
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
(Post 13584987)
This what you using?
http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=ATFQT-EA I've read some good comments about the Amsoil. |
Originally Posted by EdinLA-TL
(Post 13581789)
I've got an '08 TL base 5AT with 30,000 miles. I did a 3x drain/fill with DW-1 about 700 miles ago. I can't really tell any difference in drivability but at least the original factory ATF is gone.
Also, don't forget to change the brake fluid, the engine air filter and the interior air filter behind the glove compartment. |
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 13585513)
you would have to do it more like 7 times before you get close to removing all the old fluid.
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Originally Posted by hleapha
(Post 13585532)
A 3x3 gets a pretty good percentage of the old fluid out and I think that's what he means. That's why most people have settled on a flush as being 3 drain and fills. But technically you will never get all of the fluid out.
Because the system holds around 9 quarts, and you can only change 3 quarts at a time. That's only 1/3 of an attempt to change it each time you do it. So doing 1/3 and mixing, and then 1/3 again and then mixing it all together.. You are right, 10 times and you can reach 95%, but cost is high for redline. Better off paying someone to do it that has the tools. This is partially also why redline recommends D4.. But that is only if you do a complete flush. If you do the 3x3 partial flush, you can go up to Racing fluid and mix it. But we still have some of the old stuff in there. I did the 3x3 and the net result is ... eh.. whatever.. The immediate change was nice but then the computer relearned with the newer fluid, which was still good for transmission longevity, but the firmness and quickness will subside once again. |
I ended up using Redline D4. Will let you guys know the difference soon.
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Originally Posted by Sotiris
(Post 13585383)
Yup that's it
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Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 13585732)
the "3x3" method is only a little over half way changed.
Because the system holds around 9 quarts, and you can only change 3 quarts at a time. That's only 1/3 of an attempt to change it each time you do it. So doing 1/3 and mixing, and then 1/3 again and then mixing it all together.. You are right, 10 times and you can reach 95%, but cost is high for redline. Better off paying someone to do it that has the tools. This is partially also why redline recommends D4.. But that is only if you do a complete flush. If you do the 3x3 partial flush, you can go up to Racing fluid and mix it. But we still have some of the old stuff in there. I did the 3x3 and the net result is ... eh.. whatever.. The immediate change was nice but then the computer relearned with the newer fluid, which was still good for transmission longevity, but the firmness and quickness will subside once again. No need in speculating, here are the percentage calculations courtesy of Inaccurate: Heres the drain/fill percentage chart 1=39.5% 2=63.4% 3=77.8% 4=86.6% 5=91.9% 6=95.1% 7=97.0% 8=98.2% 9=98.9% |
Originally Posted by hleapha
(Post 13586047)
There is not 9 qts in the TL, it is more like 7.3qts.
No need in speculating, here are the percentage calculations courtesy of Inaccurate: Heres the drain/fill percentage chart 1=39.5% 2=63.4% 3=77.8% 4=86.6% 5=91.9% 6=95.1% 7=97.0% 8=98.2% 9=98.9% |
The capacity is 7.4 but the torque converter holds a quart or so. So thats 8.4 quarts.. Thats why the mechanic told me 9. All that fluid is mixed together. So you have to count it. It's like counting the oil in the oil filter. Gotta do it. So anyway, if "inaccurate" used 7.4 quarts in his calculations, then 39% for the first number could be lower. So, I'll have to dig up the formula from school. (someday).
btw, IHC is mad because I differ in opinion on IROC's than he does. So, I'm a "troll". People are strange. If you dont allow them to get to know you, then they think you are trolling. thats stupid. This forum is about cars. For me, its not about making friends.. Especially since we all live in other states. So, how can anyon eknow if you are a troll? I'm not green or fat or have a long nose like an ugly troll... In fact, haha IHC, you resemble one more than I do based on the physical description of a troll. Arent you bigger than me? haha http://osakabentures.com/wp-content/...ntainTroll.jpg |
Originally Posted by Chad05TL
(Post 13586210)
The capacity is 7.4 but the torque converter holds a quart or so. So thats 8.4 quarts.. Thats why the mechanic told me 9. All that fluid is mixed together. So you have to count it. It's like counting the oil in the oil filter. Gotta do it. So anyway, if "inaccurate" used 7.4 quarts in his calculations, then 39% for the first number could be lower. So, I'll have to dig up the formula from school. (someday).
btw, IHC is mad because I differ in opinion on IROC's than he does. So, I'm a "troll". People are strange. If you dont allow them to get to know you, then they think you are trolling. thats stupid. This forum is about cars. For me, its not about making friends.. Especially since we all live in other states. So, how can anyon eknow if you are a troll? I'm not green or fat or have a long nose like an ugly troll... In fact, haha IHC, you resemble one more than I do based on the physical description of a troll. Arent you bigger than me? haha http://osakabentures.com/wp-content/...ntainTroll.jpg Transmission capacity includes torque convertor, sump, and valvebody. The torque convertor holds close to 4 quarts, not one quart. See, there I go again feeding the troll. PS, don't compare yourself to Inaccurate. |
I have done the " 3x3 " over 3 weeks. Every Saturday, when i was free. When I drain from the tranny i always get 3.5 quarts out. I refill back with 2.5 quarts of Redline D4 and 1 quart of Redline Type F. Also did the pressure switches. I'v driven about 2 miles so far. No issues. Shifts are better and the oil now seems to stay red for along time.
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this thread is degrading to the 5th grade level.
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OP just use the OEM one, I know it suck compare to other Redline ATF products but I still have warranty from Acura and I don't want Acura BITCH if something happen to my trany. I would get the 1x3 every time I do oil change so it will be fresh. IMO
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Ok. I just got my transmission 3x3 done. OMG there's a big difference. The shift are so smooth that i barely can feel it. Car seems to have more power and speed. Lucky i made the right choice choosing the ATF D4 Redline over the suck oem atf-dw1. If you're out of warranty, i would recommend you to switch to redline. Plus my gas vibrating at 1800 rpm is somehow gone. I barely can hear the engine sound now.
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