Excelerate

iTrader: (1)

We've been talking with some forum members and we wanted to get an idea of who might be interested in a HONDATA tune for the 4G TL. Perhaps if there's enough interest we might be able to get HONDATA to look into a solution. I'm creating a poll to see if people want a reflash (~$300) or if they want a Flashpro tuner system ($695).

Who is HONDATA?

http://hondata.com/

What does HONDATA do?

Hondata modifies standard Honda engine computers (ECUs), adding features and expanding the capabilities of the ECU (e.g. for forced induction). These modifications are available either as a reflash, or a fully tunable system. Reflashes involve the ECU being sent to Hondata; programmable system require the ECU to be modified for pre 2006 vehicles or an external programming interface for 2006 and later vehicles.

What is a reflash?

http://hondata.com/reflash.html

What is Flashpro?

http://hondata.com/flashpro.html

What kind of gains can I expect?

That would be based on what HONDATA can do with the platform and what modifications are on the vehicle. We'd like to see a tune made for our XLR8 V2 j-pipe and possible some other mods in the pipeline.

Here is an example of a reflash for a 06 TSX:




4850 rpm VTEC point decreased from 6000 rpm
7600 rpm rev limit (sportshift mode only in the auto)
Maximum torque gain 28 ft/lbs torque at 6000 rpm (24 ft/lbs auto)
Maximum power gain 32 hp at 6000 rpm (28 hp auto)
Peak torque increases from 165ft/lbs at 4700 rpm to 168 ft pounds at 4700 rpm
Peak power increases from 201 hp at 7100 rpm to 204 at 6800 rpm (up to 8hp - auto)
Very wide flat smooth torque curve. 90% of peak torque available from 2000-7000 rpm.
Fully dealer compatible - works with all Honda scan tools and equipment

This reflash will work very well with an 06 TSX in stock form, or with headers and intake.

KarKraze

I would be all over that FlashPro for the 3.7 right now. I really want to see this happen so that I can tie all my mods together.This would be great news for us 4G owners.

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

Flashpro, go big or go home. If we can be given a rough timeline I can also put down a deposit.

types1fan

I'm on that list, flashpro all the way.

ALFAQ

This is exactly what you performance minded 4 G owners were waiting for, it will unleash the potential of your car and if you have any other performance mods will allow you to fully take advantage of it.

DefMunkie

If either is available for the 3.7 stock and modified I would start adding power modds to my TL list. Until then forget about it!

Skier4lyfe303

iTrader: (32)

I sure hope we get flashpro (2010 MT). I was planning on emailing Doug from Hondata my before (stock car) and after (modded car) dynos within the next week or so. I just need to go down to the Dyno again.

ATLBuckeye

Give us a timeline and I can put down a deposit as well.

eazy

iTrader: (8)

I would be interested but I also know that majority will be for AWD 3.7L.. meaning FWD will either be left out or will have a longer waiting time..

I would drop a deposit down but depends on the timeline like everyone else has stated

ATLBuckeye

Also, I feel as if this is a tease. Has any dialog been opened with HONDATA?

Skier4lyfe303

iTrader: (32)

I asked Doug from Hondata about a SH-AWD TL Flashpro back in October, and this was his response:

I did. We have our hands full of projects at the moment so I can't say when me might have time to consider support of this model. If there are enough FlashPro sales for current and earlier model TLs, it could be a consideration.

KarKraze

The OP post clearly states that he is checking to see the interest based on feedback from some members who has been asking about this (i am one of them).

Many times i see other members comment on the lack of available tuning for our 4G's and how they cannot utilize the performance mods to there full potential.This is the solution and opportunity for us to do just that if it becomes a reality .

ATLBuckeye

It is not clearly stated if they have opened dialogue with HONDATA or not. I am merely wondering if hondata told them "see how many people you can get to sign up" or if hondata is unaware of this at the current time.

KarKraze

Hmmm,ok. What i can tell you is this..i emailed Hondata more than once and i know of other members who did as well.The reply has always been the same,"they are not considering it at this time".If we have the support of XLR8 behind us it may help with this becoming a reality.

ATLBuckeye

Well I am hoping with XLR8's backing, they may be a little more motivated to start work on the 4G version.

eazy

iTrader: (8)

Seeing how long CT-E is taking to come up with a coupler for the FWD 4G should give us all an idea of how long this can take

I'm not bashing on anything but thats how its been for our TL's

Edward'TLS

How many head counts are needed to make this "HONDATA for 4G TL" happen ?

ATLBuckeye

Not sure how many people they need. Probably a good number >20



All I can say is...

KarKraze

This tune may even help CT E with there supercharger kit,if you look at the set up they had in the Tl it seemed that they were running some type of piggy back computer,that would no longer be needed with a proper tune.

Easy,with regards to the Icebox,they seem to be on backorder quite often either due to high demand or low production.If it was only an adaptor that was required i think they would have made it already.

I feel that XLR8 is being prudent and doing their due diligence before contacting HONDATA. Keep in mind that significant R&D has to go into this to keep everything within safe parameters for users and as such it will be costly to bring this to the market.It would only be feasible if there is significant interest from end users.

LADHAR

flashpro ��

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

You already know I'm with it.

CerberusKy

iTrader: (1)

Flashpro, and I would be willing to put down a deposit depending on timeline.

Blaze9

FWD, flashpro. Might have a much longer wait though, seems like less interest.

vtec314

Flashpro! Asap !!!!!!!

eazy

iTrader: (8)

It is only the coupler KK. I've spoken to them and their response is they need to make a coupler worth the price they charging for the icebox($500+). While its an easy fix it seems I'm sure they're more focused on getting those supercharger orders done

The only difference between the FWD and AWD TL's in regards to the ice box is the coupler cause the AWD has a bigger throttle body. Other than that the stock intake box is the same for both

Back to the flashpro.. if it doesn't come out for the 3.5L FWD I hope we'll at least get a reflash option

Blaze9

Reflash would be a bit annoying. According to their site you have to send them your ECU? flashpro would be optimal, obviously, but I'll take what's given.

*edit*: You can drive to a dealer and they can flash it on the spot for the same price. Pretty cool.

eazy

iTrader: (8)

Yea but if they offered a reflash at a dealer in my state I would just drive to the reflash dealer to get it.. but if the flashpro is not available for the FWD the only other option is hope there would be a reflash available

Skier4lyfe303

iTrader: (32)

Let me clarify this for everyone:
Flashpro (individual unit) $695
comes w/ both software and hardware to reflash the ECU
Can reflash as many times as wanted
Locks to one ECU at a time
Can unlock at anytime but this reverts the "tuned" ECU to stock

Flashpro license from dealer ~$350
Must be an authorized Hondata dealer
The license gets locked to that ECU and that dealers flashpro unit
Cannot have another dealer tune the flashpro with another dealer unit

Reflash ~$295
Must have authorized dealer send your ECU (most cars require matching immobilizer and key be sent along with ECU, although the RDX/S2000/07+ Civic SI only require the ECU) to Hondata
Cannot directly send the parts (ECU, immobilizer, key) to Hondata

If you get either the dealer flashpro license or reflash and want to upgrade to an individual Flashpro, you will be eligible for a $100 rebate.

yungone501

iTrader: (4)

Hondata is a business sustained by producing a product that holds both interest and of high demand. I've seen it many times with them. They will want to see many discussions on forums, emails and phone calls, model specific performance market stimulation...basically any attention will not go unnoticed. Especially if their attention is called towards the direction of arousal.

The 4g TL 3.7 ECM was made to be rewritable, thankfully. As for hope, realistically the 4g TL doesnt appear to be as commonly purchased as was the 3g TL and you guys seen how long it took them to develop/market Flashpro for it. Don't want to be the pessimist here but I don't foresee this happening in the near future. I myself would love to have a 4g TL ECM swap on my 3.7 Accord and harness the potential of the electronics on a forced induction motor but we shall see.

Until then, my vote is obvious: FLASHPRO!

Jackieee_TL

Based on the gains the TSX had, that's very impressive for the Reflash. That would be my route, even if it only made half those gains.

But if the Flashpro could increase the rev limiter and top speed on the other hand, then that would be pretty sweet.

ucf_bronco

iTrader: (1)

Count me in for the Flashpro!

dirtyMETHOD

This would be awesome

Excelerate

iTrader: (1)

This is not a tease; this is a poll. HONDATA has not approached us about this but we will be approaching them. However, I thought it prudent to open up a dialog and get a poll and some numbers behind us to show HONDATA the market for the 4G TL.

Also, we recently became a Master Distributor for HONDATA so that will help us in direct communications.

ATLBuckeye

You guys are too good to us. We appreciate it. Keep us up to date. Hopefully we can convince them that it is worth their while.

types1fan

Hope this really comes happens.

Booya4139

I had flash pro and a custom tune for my civic Si with intake header exhaust and it was the balls. Made the car so much more drivable. Seamless vtec crossover and more power everywhere in the band. Had the Cobb access port before that a d it was a joke compared to hondata. Totally worth it. I would have got a 3.7 if hondata was on board.

acuhon

My son likes his on Civic

HeartTLs

iTrader: (5)

Josh assuming you have 4G customers who either don't participate or Acurazine or rarely login/post. Would it be possible to send a mass email linking past customers who bought 4G parts to this thread?

andrewcjduong

I'm in! Bought this car for performance and gave up my stanced TSX. I'm always down for more power.

Viscidity

You can totally count me in on this. Sounds very interesting and I'm hoping this will happen!