The Multiple Benefits of Owning an HDS/HIM Tool - Everything You Need to Know
03-02-2014, 09:29 PM
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Hmm... I was considering about buying this since I just made myself some new key fobs and was going to ask if I can add new keys using what you bought. I know I could get my use out of it to make it worth it real quick. You guys say you need to log into the honda network to do that?
03-05-2014, 10:59 AM
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I did not know that...hence the 'think' was highlighted LOL
I do agree with you on the CEL part....since its just 1 pin, am thinking its a just a trigger, when the ATF temp reaches above a certain temp, its triggers ON
I do agree with you on the CEL part....since its just 1 pin, am thinking its a just a trigger, when the ATF temp reaches above a certain temp, its triggers ON
03-05-2014, 03:35 PM
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If it is like lexus, it has different shift points when the trans is under a certain temperature. While it goes into one pin that is the sensor input. I would bet the sensor itself is a 3 wire sensor and so it has a full range of temperature readings. I know in my acura RL FSM it talks about reading the transmission temperature through the HDS. Wondering if on the TL you guys can do that same.
04-13-2014, 01:14 AM
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04-13-2014, 08:50 AM
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If you can find HIM HDS 3012 023, that is supposed to be able to program keys but I wasn't able to find a place to download it.
04-13-2014, 09:08 AM
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Ran out of edit time....
The code number is 3.012.015.eng.win32
Here is the site to purchase keycodes if you are a locksmith.
https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
The code number is 3.012.015.eng.win32
Here is the site to purchase keycodes if you are a locksmith.
https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
06-18-2014, 04:01 AM
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is this the HDS Tool?
OBD Tuning HDS Cable OBD2 Diagnostic Cable for Honda | eBay
And i'm guessing the HDS (Like the HIM), works on 3G TL's 04-06?
And does the HDS program key immobilizer?
OBD Tuning HDS Cable OBD2 Diagnostic Cable for Honda | eBay
And i'm guessing the HDS (Like the HIM), works on 3G TL's 04-06?
And does the HDS program key immobilizer?
FYI this is not just a cable, it's actually a bit more. This is a small clone of the HIM and runs the same software - It has the advantage of being USB, lower power and relatively small.
Disadvantages - Needs Win XP to run as the MVCI (Modular Vehicle Communication Interface) driver (USB to HDS GA600 software emulator I guess) only works in XP. You can get around this with a Virtual XP session in Win 8 etc.
I bought one for $30.00 and also have a Honda HIM described in this thread.
Both run from my Win8.1 tablet and/or a built in 8" touch screen computer with Navigation, Phone, Climate control + to many other options to list.
ATF sensor is, as suggested by others, a full range sensor and is used for Cold/Warm shift mapping and TC lock logic and other PCM logic. I'm currently monitoring it to test for time taken to reach the target operating temperature and loaded running temps for the transmission with different cooling setups.
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07-07-2014, 07:30 PM
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Using the HIM and recently installed V3.012.023 on windows 7 x64, it asked me if I had keyless entry, start button. I selected no as there is no start button on the RL. The comma should be replaced with and/or to be clear. Not sure if key programming is possible.
I was able to reset the vehicle neutral position sensor to clear the VSA fault light that was triggered after installing lowering springs and an alignment.
I was able to reset the vehicle neutral position sensor to clear the VSA fault light that was triggered after installing lowering springs and an alignment.
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07-07-2014, 09:00 PM
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KN, by this, do you mean that this worked for pairing a new ECU with the immobilizer for Hondata support, without having to take it to the dealer? I'd much rather not go to my dealer since it appears most of the people there came from a mid 80s Caddy dealer, and are 2 steps away from death.
07-07-2014, 09:05 PM
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KN, by this, do you mean that this worked for pairing a new ECU with the immobilizer for Hondata support, without having to take it to the dealer? I'd much rather not go to my dealer since it appears most of the people there came from a mid 80s Caddy dealer, and are 2 steps away from death.
I agree with not taking my car to the dealer period. I've done so much to it they would probably call the police on me.
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07-07-2014, 09:12 PM
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^ what version HDS are you using? I have been trying to do the same thing on my accord and its been stuck on that screen with the TL ecu... and all the dealers here are all about rolling coal.
07-08-2014, 05:18 AM
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I am still working on the downpipe so I didn't try to fire it up, but I appear to have success with the HIM that bmeyer let me borrow.
After seeing that the HIM was talking to both the old and new ECU, I decided after giving up on getting the FLY100 connected to my VM to look for an alternative.
I found a site http://www.superpincodes.com/ where I paid $12, entered my year and last 5 digits of my VIN and it returns a PIN code.
I go back to the car and try communicating with the new immobilizer and new ECU. It keeps coming back saying that the immobilizer is in an unknown state and that I need to code the keys to the immobilizer but the version I have doesn't give me that option.
So I replace my old immobilizer which does have the keys registered and I get to the screen to enter the PIN. I use the number I was given, go through a few cycles of turning the ignition on and off all the while keeping an eye on the green blinking key. After a couple more cycles, boom, key goes away and it says it was successful!
So the information about the immobilizer being incompatible appears to be bad.
I also didn't need to spend $250 on the FLY100 that never worked. Oh well, part of this game. If I gave up the first time I spent money on something useless, I would have given up long ago.
I'm almost done welding up my downpipe and fixing my leaks and should know by tonight if the car will fire up on the new ECU.
After seeing that the HIM was talking to both the old and new ECU, I decided after giving up on getting the FLY100 connected to my VM to look for an alternative.
I found a site http://www.superpincodes.com/ where I paid $12, entered my year and last 5 digits of my VIN and it returns a PIN code.
I go back to the car and try communicating with the new immobilizer and new ECU. It keeps coming back saying that the immobilizer is in an unknown state and that I need to code the keys to the immobilizer but the version I have doesn't give me that option.
So I replace my old immobilizer which does have the keys registered and I get to the screen to enter the PIN. I use the number I was given, go through a few cycles of turning the ignition on and off all the while keeping an eye on the green blinking key. After a couple more cycles, boom, key goes away and it says it was successful!
So the information about the immobilizer being incompatible appears to be bad.
I also didn't need to spend $250 on the FLY100 that never worked. Oh well, part of this game. If I gave up the first time I spent money on something useless, I would have given up long ago.
I'm almost done welding up my downpipe and fixing my leaks and should know by tonight if the car will fire up on the new ECU.
07-08-2014, 09:17 AM
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KN, it appears from other threads that you have both an HDS and a Fly100, is that correct? Are both devices needed, or is one better than the other? On google searches, it appears that the Fly100 is more powerful?
I'm trying to decide which route is best for programming the immobilizer to the Hondata ECU. The HDS seems to do a lot of scanning and troubleshooting which with the Flashpro isn't really needed I'd think. Do you have a preference for one over the other?
There's also something called the GNA600, but apparently it doesn't do the immobilizer programming without a passcode or something?
I'm trying to decide which route is best for programming the immobilizer to the Hondata ECU. The HDS seems to do a lot of scanning and troubleshooting which with the Flashpro isn't really needed I'd think. Do you have a preference for one over the other?
There's also something called the GNA600, but apparently it doesn't do the immobilizer programming without a passcode or something?
07-08-2014, 09:21 AM
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KN, it appears from other threads that you have both an HDS and a Fly100, is that correct? Are both devices needed, or is one better than the other? On google searches, it appears that the Fly100 is more powerful?
I'm trying to decide which route is best for programming the immobilizer to the Hondata ECU. The HDS seems to do a lot of scanning and troubleshooting which with the Flashpro isn't really needed I'd think. Do you have a preference for one over the other?
There's also something called the GNA600, but apparently it doesn't do the immobilizer programming without a passcode or something?
I'm trying to decide which route is best for programming the immobilizer to the Hondata ECU. The HDS seems to do a lot of scanning and troubleshooting which with the Flashpro isn't really needed I'd think. Do you have a preference for one over the other?
There's also something called the GNA600, but apparently it doesn't do the immobilizer programming without a passcode or something?
The HIM was used to pair the immobilizer to the ECU and that's it. The ECU I bought from a dealer was already programmed and I used FlashPro to program it from there. The HIM was never needed again, although I did buy it from Brandon when he sold all his Honda stuff.
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07-08-2014, 11:10 AM
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And that means you are talking to the HIM.
Only the 07/08 ECU has the can bus programming and all the older versions used k-line for everything.
Are you sure that all of the connections from the DLC to the ECU are correct? Can you do any of the diag functions on the ECU? Are you sure the new ECU is operational?
Only the 07/08 ECU has the can bus programming and all the older versions used k-line for everything.
Are you sure that all of the connections from the DLC to the ECU are correct? Can you do any of the diag functions on the ECU? Are you sure the new ECU is operational?
08-09-2014, 01:58 PM
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I had not run the CAN cables yet, as my intent was merely to validate that the Fly100 was good so I could send it back if it was DOA.
Once I ran the CAN cables, the Fly100 saw the new ECU with no issue. I did a replace ECU command and bam - car started right up. Apparently the 07up ECU ONLY talks on CAN. Whoulda thunk it, lol.
Just as KN said - I'd bet your connection from the DLC to the CAN or DLC to the HDS is bad. Didn't you have a broken pin before? Could've been someone else, but there's so few people with a hondata, I thought it was you.
I think the other benefit of the Fly100 is the ability to program smart keys. I don't know if the 04 TL has a "smart key" since I dont have all the funky switchblade things, but this thing is more than worth it if it avoids dealers and locksmiths.
The re-write odo feature didn't work tho, lol.
08-09-2014, 02:35 PM
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I fixed my broken pin problem. So I am thinking it is a wiring problem from the CANBUS to the ecu. I am going to by pass the green connector that is in the air bag area for my accord, and wire it direct to the harness. Which fly 100 did you get? And could I rent it from you?
I also try running the flashpro to see if it will read the ECU vinn and it will not for the accord and the TL ecu (i bought a second one to just test also). So for sure it is an issue with the wiring somewhere and not hardware.
I also try running the flashpro to see if it will read the ECU vinn and it will not for the accord and the TL ecu (i bought a second one to just test also). So for sure it is an issue with the wiring somewhere and not hardware.
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08-09-2014, 02:50 PM
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I fixed my broken pin problem. So I am thinking it is a wiring problem from the CANBUS to the ecu. I am going to by pass the green connector that is in the air bag area for my accord, and wire it direct to the harness. Which fly 100 did you get? And could I rent it from you?
I also try running the flashpro to see if it will read the ECU vinn and it will not for the accord and the TL ecu (i bought a second one to just test also). So for sure it is an issue with the wiring somewhere and not hardware.
I also try running the flashpro to see if it will read the ECU vinn and it will not for the accord and the TL ecu (i bought a second one to just test also). So for sure it is an issue with the wiring somewhere and not hardware.
It came with the software, and the dealer code. It claims it doesn't need to talk to Honda system to program keys and what not. I'll find out soon enough since I just ordered a new key. Once you factor in shipping to and from, it may not cost you much and be faster just to order one. My key is coming from Taiwan so it won't be here for a couple weeks before I could send it out.
I know KN said he had a Fly100 that he couldn't get to work. He might be willing to let it go cheap or as a loaner to try. I have the software I can PM you if you want. What version of HDS are you using?
THe flashpro wont read the new ecu since it talks only on CAN I'm thinking. It's the same reason that your HDS only works on the stock ECU which is K-line.
I'll say this too - the CAN connection happens MUCH faster than the k-line on the FLY. I thought I was surely going to a connection error screen when I loaded it but it connected instantly.
You did move the gray wire to pin 1 right? I thought it was a bit confusing in the Hondata directions, but the red wire goes to pin 6 on the DLC and pin 3 on the CAN connection. The white goes to pin 14 (where the gray came from) and goes to pin 2 on the CAN. The red/white connections on the CAN seemed a bit ambiguous to me at first.
08-09-2014, 03:18 PM
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I changed all the obd2 pins that why I was having the broken pin issue. but that all fixed now
I have 3 version of the honda HDS. 2.012, 2.027, and 3.017. All the same result.
I found a few of those fly100 for 105 don't know if they are legit or not.
Also my VSA light comes on when I have the TL ecu plugged in. I know that Green connector behind the airbag controls ECU, VSA, dash, TPMS and navigation. So there might be hidden issues there.
I have 3 version of the honda HDS. 2.012, 2.027, and 3.017. All the same result.
I found a few of those fly100 for 105 don't know if they are legit or not.
Also my VSA light comes on when I have the TL ecu plugged in. I know that Green connector behind the airbag controls ECU, VSA, dash, TPMS and navigation. So there might be hidden issues there.
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08-09-2014, 04:13 PM
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Here what the dash looks like on the accord. So blinking imbolizer light, CEL, VSA, and oil. I am just scared to take it to the dealer and ending up not getting it to work and they send me on my way with a fat bill.
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11-04-2014, 08:15 PM
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Good info. I just did a typeS cluster install and installed the 07/08 SRS unit because the new cluster uses the fcan to control the airbag light,.. I changed 3 pins on the connector to accommodate the physical changes, and the airbag light is still on. So, like JJH, when he swapped his seats, I think his SRS unit has to be sync'd with the opds on the seats, and so when I installed the new SRS, it doesn't see the opds on my seats. I got the SRS unit from ebay. So,I think I am going to try this HDM thing.. I am guessing at all this.. just a hunch
unfortunately, my woh's don't stop there. The VSA light is also on after about 10 minutes. And nothing is different (physically) between the 05 and the 07 VSA according to the 05 HELM and the 07 HELM. (I have both books).
lastly, 1 more problem. I installed the full tpms system, and it works for a while but then for no apparent reason it flashes that common orange screen and says "malfunction" hahaha So, I am hoping I can get it all working. Its only another $120 bux right? Newest Version V3.012.023 Honda HDS HIM Diagnostic Tool with Double Board
unfortunately, my woh's don't stop there. The VSA light is also on after about 10 minutes. And nothing is different (physically) between the 05 and the 07 VSA according to the 05 HELM and the 07 HELM. (I have both books).
lastly, 1 more problem. I installed the full tpms system, and it works for a while but then for no apparent reason it flashes that common orange screen and says "malfunction" hahaha So, I am hoping I can get it all working. Its only another $120 bux right? Newest Version V3.012.023 Honda HDS HIM Diagnostic Tool with Double Board
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11-04-2014, 08:50 PM
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I think there is one on ebay $13 cheaper (with shipping) .. oh well.. already bought that one.
11-04-2014, 09:23 PM
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I think I read that these CAN elements need to be synchronized. I am only guess this is how it is, but if that is true, I would think that the devices could sync to the bus, or sync with the FCAN in the cluster. The bus runs at 400 or 433 hz. So, it's analog, sending bits. Now, in SONET networks, the fastest most operate is at 10gb/s. And they are synchronized using satellite clock, which is external. So maybe these devices on the bus have no way of synchronizing until you tell it to do so. This could explain why these devices work for a period of time then they "drift" too far out of sync, and then the error occurs. SONET networks have a feedback loop to compensate for drift, but that is more sophisticated than these little buses on our cars, since supposedly they were deployed to "save wires" on the harness to make them "lighter". (That is what I read in the HELM book) So, I'm sure these are pretty cheap engineering fixes to make a car cheaper but I am still surprised they cannot sync themselves. Even video has a sync input to a monitor. So I dunno. I am just thinking out loud
11-05-2014, 05:46 PM
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SRS is a separate subsystem and if it detects a fault, it will be locked in until it is reset even if you fix the fault. I shorted the two pins on the under dash fuse panel to get mine to reset, but the manual says don't do that and use the HDS.
When I changed the ECU from an 06 to an 08, all of the subsystems communicating on the CAN busses sync'd up with no intervention on my part. The only thing I had to do was sync up the immobilizer with the ecu.
When I changed the ECU from an 06 to an 08, all of the subsystems communicating on the CAN busses sync'd up with no intervention on my part. The only thing I had to do was sync up the immobilizer with the ecu.
11-08-2014, 03:34 PM
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Good info. I just did a typeS cluster install and installed the 07/08 SRS unit because the new cluster uses the fcan to control the airbag light,.. I changed 3 pins on the connector to accommodate the physical changes, and the airbag light is still on. So, like JJH, when he swapped his seats, I think his SRS unit has to be sync'd with the opds on the seats, and so when I installed the new SRS, it doesn't see the opds on my seats. I got the SRS unit from ebay. So,I think I am going to try this HDM thing.. I am guessing at all this.. just a hunch
unfortunately, my woh's don't stop there. The VSA light is also on after about 10 minutes. And nothing is different (physically) between the 05 and the 07 VSA according to the 05 HELM and the 07 HELM. (I have both books).
lastly, 1 more problem. I installed the full tpms system, and it works for a while but then for no apparent reason it flashes that common orange screen and says "malfunction" hahaha So, I am hoping I can get it all working. Its only another $120 bux right? Newest Version V3.012.023 Honda HDS HIM Diagnostic Tool with Double Board
unfortunately, my woh's don't stop there. The VSA light is also on after about 10 minutes. And nothing is different (physically) between the 05 and the 07 VSA according to the 05 HELM and the 07 HELM. (I have both books).
lastly, 1 more problem. I installed the full tpms system, and it works for a while but then for no apparent reason it flashes that common orange screen and says "malfunction" hahaha So, I am hoping I can get it all working. Its only another $120 bux right? Newest Version V3.012.023 Honda HDS HIM Diagnostic Tool with Double Board
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11-12-2014, 08:45 PM
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I just tried running the setup file for my new HDS tool in winxp, and all I get is a black box with the cursor jumping around. And nothing happens. Gee, cant get past the setup! haha is this for real?
11-12-2014, 11:15 PM
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Such an amazing read.. I want one of these
11-13-2014, 04:35 PM
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P.S - If anyone is weary of getting bad software versions, you can rent the software DIRECTLY from Honda for $10/day.
https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
American Honda Motor Company, Inc. - Service Subscriptions
https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
American Honda Motor Company, Inc. - Service Subscriptions
Does the honda software work with a device like this?: Newest Version V3.012.023 Honda HDS HIM Diagnostic Tool with Double Board
They sent me a disc that appears corrupt. The root directory looks ok, but the HDS directory where the setup file is located, all the text files includes the autoexec.bat file has only strange ascii characters and it is illegible. Plus the setup.exe will not run. I need to download it from somewhere.
I contacted them but these people are a middle man.. and they have no clue about what is needed. A woman named "Cherry" said "Dr friend, notice, #1 Windows XP, #2, no activation needed".. And thats not the problem. The setup will not run. I have XP and I cant even get the setup to run, much less worry about activation. I think they are stupid.
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