TLX in the wild... and new pics
05-11-2014, 04:22 PM
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05-11-2014, 05:01 PM
#123
You guys who want a car with "Type S treatments" buy a different car. It's that simple.
The 3rd generation TL came out as a 2004 model, and there was no Type S until 2007. Most of you would not have purchased a TL if it were not for the Type S coming out. The thing is, the TL sold the best in 2004 and 2005, where there was no Type S available. My point is that many enthusiasts, usually want the most fun to drive sporty model, but the general public doesn't. The TLX will sell fine for the first three years without a Type S model provided it is priced well.
Also, most of you who would not buy the TLX, would buy an IS350 F Sport, GS350 F Sport, Audi S4, Audi S5 etc., but those aren't the models the general public buys. The general public will buy an IS250, regular GS350, A4 or A5. If the enthusiast models were dropped, it would barely put a dent in their car sales.
From what I've been reading, there will be a Type S in the future, probably in 2018 when the TLX gets a refresh.
Me personally, I'll be happy with the TLX 4 cylinder Tech model if it's more fun to drive than the 1st generation TSX.
Also, remember, no one is forcing you to buy an Acura. You're free to buy whatever will fit your needs best at the time you want to buy. It's clear a Type S is what many of you want. That's fine, but the you'll have to wait until later to get it.
The 3rd generation TL came out as a 2004 model, and there was no Type S until 2007. Most of you would not have purchased a TL if it were not for the Type S coming out. The thing is, the TL sold the best in 2004 and 2005, where there was no Type S available. My point is that many enthusiasts, usually want the most fun to drive sporty model, but the general public doesn't. The TLX will sell fine for the first three years without a Type S model provided it is priced well.
Also, most of you who would not buy the TLX, would buy an IS350 F Sport, GS350 F Sport, Audi S4, Audi S5 etc., but those aren't the models the general public buys. The general public will buy an IS250, regular GS350, A4 or A5. If the enthusiast models were dropped, it would barely put a dent in their car sales.
From what I've been reading, there will be a Type S in the future, probably in 2018 when the TLX gets a refresh.
Me personally, I'll be happy with the TLX 4 cylinder Tech model if it's more fun to drive than the 1st generation TSX.
Also, remember, no one is forcing you to buy an Acura. You're free to buy whatever will fit your needs best at the time you want to buy. It's clear a Type S is what many of you want. That's fine, but the you'll have to wait until later to get it.
05-11-2014, 05:54 PM
#124
I love all the haters of the TLX and I hope demand is super low and none of you buy it, this gives me better odds at negotiating a great price! Keep it up fellas and Thank You!
05-11-2014, 09:27 PM
#125
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You guys who want a car with "Type S treatments" buy a different car. It's that simple.
The 3rd generation TL came out as a 2004 model, and there was no Type S until 2007. Most of you would not have purchased a TL if it were not for the Type S coming out. The thing is, the TL sold the best in 2004 and 2005, where there was no Type S available. My point is that many enthusiasts, usually want the most fun to drive sporty model, but the general public doesn't. The TLX will sell fine for the first three years without a Type S model provided it is priced well.
Also, most of you who would not buy the TLX, would buy an IS350 F Sport, GS350 F Sport, Audi S4, Audi S5 etc., but those aren't the models the general public buys. The general public will buy an IS250, regular GS350, A4 or A5. If the enthusiast models were dropped, it would barely put a dent in their car sales.
From what I've been reading, there will be a Type S in the future, probably in 2018 when the TLX gets a refresh.
Me personally, I'll be happy with the TLX 4 cylinder Tech model if it's more fun to drive than the 1st generation TSX.
Also, remember, no one is forcing you to buy an Acura. You're free to buy whatever will fit your needs best at the time you want to buy. It's clear a Type S is what many of you want. That's fine, but the you'll have to wait until later to get it.
The 3rd generation TL came out as a 2004 model, and there was no Type S until 2007. Most of you would not have purchased a TL if it were not for the Type S coming out. The thing is, the TL sold the best in 2004 and 2005, where there was no Type S available. My point is that many enthusiasts, usually want the most fun to drive sporty model, but the general public doesn't. The TLX will sell fine for the first three years without a Type S model provided it is priced well.
Also, most of you who would not buy the TLX, would buy an IS350 F Sport, GS350 F Sport, Audi S4, Audi S5 etc., but those aren't the models the general public buys. The general public will buy an IS250, regular GS350, A4 or A5. If the enthusiast models were dropped, it would barely put a dent in their car sales.
From what I've been reading, there will be a Type S in the future, probably in 2018 when the TLX gets a refresh.
Me personally, I'll be happy with the TLX 4 cylinder Tech model if it's more fun to drive than the 1st generation TSX.
Also, remember, no one is forcing you to buy an Acura. You're free to buy whatever will fit your needs best at the time you want to buy. It's clear a Type S is what many of you want. That's fine, but the you'll have to wait until later to get it.
Its not about that being the only version people will want to buy. Its that some DO. Other manufacturers make a performance orientated version, Acura used to make one. Is it too much to be disapointed in the current version and hope and WANT them to do it again. Many of us DONT want to go to another manufacturer but Acura isnt giving us much of a choice when the others do. Hopefully Acura decides to get that sooner than later.
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05-11-2014, 10:11 PM
#126
Acura makes the TLX - Money talks BS walks - Choice is ours!
05-11-2014, 11:26 PM
#127
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We don't know how the TLX performs, so it's too early to tell if it brings that side of things to the table. The TLX seems to bring best in class space, fuel economy, value (provided it is priced well), Honda reliability (hopefully),and it has a lot of features that for the price its competitors probably won't have.
You bought a TL from the generation that most people don't favor in the styling department. Can you blame Acura for going for a more simple approach?
Styling is subjective, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I personally find the TLX vastly more attractive than the 4G TL.
You bought a TL from the generation that most people don't favor in the styling department. Can you blame Acura for going for a more simple approach?
Styling is subjective, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I personally find the TLX vastly more attractive than the 4G TL.
05-12-2014, 12:38 AM
#128
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05-12-2014, 08:40 AM
#129
You miss the point completely. Its not about that being the only version people will want to buy. Its that some DO. Other manufacturers make a performance orientated version, Acura used to make one. Is it too much to be disapointed in the current version and hope and WANT them to do it again. Many of us DONT want to go to another manufacturer but Acura isnt giving us much of a choice when the others do. Hopefully Acura decides to get that sooner than later.
Its not about that being the only version people will want to buy. Its that some DO. Other manufacturers make a performance orientated version, Acura used to make one. Is it too much to be disapointed in the current version and hope and WANT them to do it again. Many of us DONT want to go to another manufacturer but Acura isnt giving us much of a choice when the others do. Hopefully Acura decides to get that sooner than later.The Type S has never come at launch.
05-12-2014, 10:36 AM
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Thankfully Acura's tend to last, so maybe by the time I'm tired of my '12 they'll have refreshed the TLX. I'm just not digging those headlights. They look alright on the MDX, and would probably translate well to the RDX, but on sedans they just look forced to me
05-12-2014, 11:12 AM
#131
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Well the grill has become Acura's identity, as long as they stick with it and don't change to something else next generation. I think it starts to look better and better after the 1st generation.
I think the car will sell well. 5K units per month is not hard to achieve. For those who are driving old Acuras, Hondas or new to Acura (looking to upgrade from mainstream brands), the TLX is a great choice.
But for those like me who drives 4G TLs will probably not upgrade to the TLX anytime soon. The real question is if the TLX is attractive enough to make buyers of other luxury brands to jump ship. The only 2 things that Acura needs to win are Price and Reliability. If the price is not competitive any more, people will go with Lexus. If Acura becomes less reliable, people will go with the Germans, or Lexus.
I think the car will sell well. 5K units per month is not hard to achieve. For those who are driving old Acuras, Hondas or new to Acura (looking to upgrade from mainstream brands), the TLX is a great choice.
But for those like me who drives 4G TLs will probably not upgrade to the TLX anytime soon. The real question is if the TLX is attractive enough to make buyers of other luxury brands to jump ship. The only 2 things that Acura needs to win are Price and Reliability. If the price is not competitive any more, people will go with Lexus. If Acura becomes less reliable, people will go with the Germans, or Lexus.
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05-12-2014, 12:06 PM
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H_CAR....You missed one important detail though.....when the 3G came out, it offered many new tech, amazing styling embraced by all and lots of power for its time.
What does the TLX bring to the table that competitors don't have (besides ugly wheels)?
I am not hoping for a type for the performance....just that this would be the only hope I have to see a decent body kit, visible dual exhausts and sexy wheels. Something that my current TL has already...I didn't wait for Acura to produce 4G Type-S to buy one....
The sad part is that next spring, I'll likely cave and have a TLX in white sitting in my driveway with a bodykit.....
What does the TLX bring to the table that competitors don't have (besides ugly wheels)?
I am not hoping for a type for the performance....just that this would be the only hope I have to see a decent body kit, visible dual exhausts and sexy wheels. Something that my current TL has already...I didn't wait for Acura to produce 4G Type-S to buy one....
The sad part is that next spring, I'll likely cave and have a TLX in white sitting in my driveway with a bodykit.....
On the other hand, the TLX seems to be high tech mechanically - new hydraulic SH-AWD system, 9-speed AT, 8-speed DCT with torque converter, P-AWS. These are all features that are unique/exclusive to the TLX.
On top of the above, there are LED headlights, electronic gear selector, all of those safety systems (CMBS, lane watch, FCW, LKAS, ACC, BSI, etc), acuralink, etc.
I know that you are concerned with some of the new technologies such as 9AT. But the question is, if you want new technologies, there's always a risk of reliability. If instead the car comes with standard 6AT, then some would say that Acura is so behind the competition. See the issue here? Case in point, there is a dual screen setup with the Acuralink or whatever it's called, and already some are finding it buggy. So, should we stick with old reliable tech, or new tech but run the risk of being less reliable at first?
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05-12-2014, 12:29 PM
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2010 TL AWD 6MT: New King
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05-12-2014, 12:41 PM
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2010 TL AWD 6MT: New King
But for those like me who drives 4G TLs will probably not upgrade to the TLX anytime soon. The real question is if the TLX is attractive enough to make buyers of other luxury brands to jump ship. The only 2 things that Acura needs to win are Price and Reliability. If the price is not competitive any more, people will go with Lexus. If Acura becomes less reliable, people will go with the Germans, or Lexus.
At this point in time, the TLX is not enough for me to upgrade from my TL 6MT. There just isn't enough wow factor; more of a "meh, it's alright. Nothing special." The prototype was exciting; then I got let down by the bland production model. Interior quietness is nothing to be excited about.
05-12-2014, 07:01 PM
#136
Acura has always come out with the Type S three years after and that is likely how it will be. Don't like? Buy another car
It's not like the Type S would be a big seller any way.
I still see this TL (non Type S) around far more often than the Type S model.
Of course we still don't know 100% for sure, but since Acura said that SH-AWD is NOT a replacement for the Type S anymore, and there "may" be a model with dual exhausts in the future, I'm expecting a Type S in the future.
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05-12-2014, 07:12 PM
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Let's get the car on the road first. If there are shortcomings, and there is sure to be some, then the hue and cry from the owners and would be owners will be heard and Acura will respond (or not...). But at this point we are all speculating based on the interviews (marketing opportunity) and rumors (base-less at the moment). As many have mentioned, the TL has been a pretty good riding, handling and value machine in it's 4 generations so far (despite its questionable looks). Good enough that many of us have owned more than one. If this first roll-out is lacking, tweaks and fixes should surely follow on subsequent roll-outs. Well that's my hope anyway. I will be looking closely at the 2016 version.
05-12-2014, 07:31 PM
#140
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We need a 3G TL parked beside a 5G TL (TLX) in the same colors with a good photographer.
Then we all need to go see one in person. I think the TLX is a decent evolution of the 3G TL.
Then we all need to go see one in person. I think the TLX is a decent evolution of the 3G TL.
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05-12-2014, 08:42 PM
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I still wish there were an I4 Advanced trim offered.
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05-13-2014, 08:48 AM
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05-13-2014, 08:55 AM
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What do you want? If a Type S was ready it would be coming out at launch.
Acura has always come out with the Type S three years after and that is likely how it will be. Don't like? Buy another car
It's not like the Type S would be a big seller any way.
I still see this TL (non Type S) around far more often than the Type S model.
Fine, ignore the obvious hints Acura has been giving us
Of course we still don't know 100% for sure, but since Acura said that SH-AWD is NOT a replacement for the Type S anymore, and there "may" be a model with dual exhausts in the future, I'm expecting a Type S in the future.
Acura has always come out with the Type S three years after and that is likely how it will be. Don't like? Buy another car
It's not like the Type S would be a big seller any way.
I still see this TL (non Type S) around far more often than the Type S model.
Fine, ignore the obvious hints Acura has been giving us
Of course we still don't know 100% for sure, but since Acura said that SH-AWD is NOT a replacement for the Type S anymore, and there "may" be a model with dual exhausts in the future, I'm expecting a Type S in the future.
And again, i think you are missing the point. Special models arent supposed to be big sellers, but they are there for those that DO WANT them.
Yea, listen to the hints. Just like we have been listening to all of their talk of NSX is being made, now its not, now its on again, now its off, oh.... guess what now its on again. Sorry, ill believe it when they actually confirm there will be a S model or similar and not just assume from what some claim to be hints.
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05-13-2014, 12:29 PM
#144
I do not understand Acura's philosophy; replacing 2 models with 1 model and not even offer an S or GT version? Every car manufactory is adding to their line-up.
Acura is reducing their line-up without substitute, even the prototype which had a nicer and sportier appearance, disappeared for some unknown reason; I wonder why no one did ask Matt Hargett that question, why?
Acura is reducing their line-up without substitute, even the prototype which had a nicer and sportier appearance, disappeared for some unknown reason; I wonder why no one did ask Matt Hargett that question, why?
05-13-2014, 01:06 PM
#145
Also, at least some Acura sedans come standard with some important stuff that's included in others' sport packages, particularly fairly tight suspensions and well bolstered sport seats. (Some exceptions, I know, like the FWD 4G TL.) When I bought my 2010 TSX, it was tighter than a 328i without sport package, and had much better seats. It was very much like a Saab 9-3 Aero (sport version), albeit with less power and much more refinement. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the TLX is similar, and turns out to be a tighter driving package than non-sport BMW's and Lexuses without the F-Sport package.
We should also keep in mind the TLX has driving "modes" to enhance the car's performance already, which arguably makes a dedicated sport model less necessary. (I don't really think this, but I bet some people do, and let's see how the modes work.)
Considering all this, a true Type-S would probably include meaningful engine modifications, and thus some delay. Not surprising to me, and in the grand scheme I don't think it's a problem for Acura.
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05-13-2014, 01:21 PM
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2010 TL AWD 6MT: New King
I do not understand Acura's philosophy; replacing 2 models with 1 model and not even offer an S or GT version? Every car manufactory is adding to their line-up.
Acura is reducing their line-up without substitute, even the prototype which had a nicer and sportier appearance, disappeared for some unknown reason; I wonder why no one did ask Matt Hargett that question, why?
Acura is reducing their line-up without substitute, even the prototype which had a nicer and sportier appearance, disappeared for some unknown reason; I wonder why no one did ask Matt Hargett that question, why?
Acura teases us with filet mignon, and end up giving us beef jerky.
I know there are a few members here on AZ who work at Acura dealerships. Perhaps they have an answer?
05-13-2014, 01:38 PM
#147
Where did you see the filet mignon docboy?? Are you referring to the new NSX??
I think that a better culinary expression, drawing a parallel between beef and Acura is "Stick a fork in it, Acura is done".
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05-13-2014, 02:07 PM
#149
I have owned two type S. The 2nd Gen was not much of an upgrade other than horse power and suspension that was too rigid. The 3g type S was more of an upgrade over the base in my opinion. However, Acura only made so many which is why you will see more none type S on the road today. In addition, the 3gen type S was not released til 07 so the regular none type S had a 3 year head start. So you should never expect to see more type S on the road than the base. The only reason I think Acura waits well into the model life is because they are trying to boost sales until the next model is built.
What do you want? If a Type S was ready it would be coming out at launch.
Acura has always come out with the Type S three years after and that is likely how it will be. Don't like? Buy another car
It's not like the Type S would be a big seller any way.
I still see this TL (non Type S) around far more often than the Type S model.
Fine, ignore the obvious hints Acura has been giving us
Of course we still don't know 100% for sure, but since Acura said that SH-AWD is NOT a replacement for the Type S anymore, and there "may" be a model with dual exhausts in the future, I'm expecting a Type S in the future.
Acura has always come out with the Type S three years after and that is likely how it will be. Don't like? Buy another car
It's not like the Type S would be a big seller any way.
I still see this TL (non Type S) around far more often than the Type S model.
Fine, ignore the obvious hints Acura has been giving us
Of course we still don't know 100% for sure, but since Acura said that SH-AWD is NOT a replacement for the Type S anymore, and there "may" be a model with dual exhausts in the future, I'm expecting a Type S in the future.
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05-13-2014, 04:11 PM
#151
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I forgot about these from instagram... not sure if you've seen them. It looks rather nice in white.
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05-13-2014, 04:18 PM
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^^ Even though I have to admit that it looks good in white, I also get aroused when I see a white Hyundai Accent.....
05-13-2014, 04:21 PM
#153
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05-13-2014, 05:03 PM
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Purely speculateing here, but I doubt Acura will offer Type-S trim on any model ever again, it ended with the 3GTL. It dosent jive with their image now. Sure, there may be a sport/beefed up TLX one day but im sure it will be called something else.
05-13-2014, 06:37 PM
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05-13-2014, 06:42 PM
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05-13-2014, 06:53 PM
#159
Drifting
Hello Weather.... how ya doin'?! ROTFLOL
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05-13-2014, 07:42 PM
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So I passed on the jerky...and got USDA Prime.