KeithL

I think some of that is that the Germans are in far more markets and have been around a long time in those markets.

KeithL

What, the new MDX does not have LED brake lights? How stupid is that. Honestly for a company that touts safety to leave off LED brake lights is damn stupid. There have been some articles that talk about the fraction of a second quicker the light is lit and that helps in someone behind you noticing you stopping quicker.

CoquiTSX

+1 . That's why I added them to the TSX.

randomRon82

That is correct and they've had how long to enter additional markets? Furthermore Infiniti and Lexus have plans to continue expansion.... Not sure about Acura.

randomRon82

Exactly

randomRon82

Freshly posted by someone to instagram...

Acura_Dude

Nice pics.

Didn't know that. Just learned something new.

frainc

It just looks so plain, the whole car just doesn't do anything to me and I have been a Acura/Honda for the past 20 years. I know it could drive reallly nice and have a great pickup but I still want a car that I love to look at. It looks like its balls were chopped off.

randomRon82

Lmao

docboy

Add in that the exhaust pipes are no longer visible, guess what else is chopped off?

Acura_Dude

ostrich

Ouch! That looks like a Saab 9-3....... which is DEAD LOL

OMG, don't get us started about those rims again....

SSFTSX

Car simply look plain down market design than even current TSX Special edition. LED lights not help much.

holografique

I agree. They did do it right on the RLX and on the RLX they are very bright and visible. One of my favorite features on the RLX.

This should have been a design language continued across the cars the lineup.

randomRon82

Yes! They did an excellent job with the RLX pipes. The ones on the MDX however are dull and thin and look way too similar to the ones on the Honda Odyssey. Cheap cheap cheap






Hopefully the ones on the TLX will be closer to the RLX system.

keith7120

I don't see much luxury here. This looks too much like Honda instead of an Acura. They have regressed somewhat the more I see this car. I will wait til I see it in person before I totally write it off and buy a used ZDX instead. I currently have a 2013 SH-AWD TL.

Acura_Dude

Thanks for the pics Holografique. BTW your car is from FL? I noticed the dealer name on the plate frame.

dom

I just can't comprehend how they gave the go ahead for those base wheels. Shouldn't the TLX start where the Accord sport leaves off? With 18's at a minimum? And if they had to go with 17's, were there no nice looking 17's available?

randomRon82

I don't even want to go there so I'll just say... yes, I agree with you... and leave it at that.

cokorote

iTrader: (1)

All those negativity in this thread lol and who here in this thread are going to buy the TLX? I'm giving Acura 2 year to come up with Aspec or Type S. If not then I'm going to buy lexus in the future.

docboy

I'm just about done with the TLX; I can wait until the TLX is released before giving the TLX my final say, and when my next car itch starts itching aggressively.

Lots of cars out there that are more exciting. Upcoming Lexus RCF, Porsche 997 and Macan, and upcoming 2015 Audi S5 are on my radar.

holografique

It is from Florida, Proctor Acura in Jacksonville. I found them over the internet back in 2008 when I was scouring the web for a TL. I wanted pre-certified, under warranty, low mileage, NAV, NBP/Parchment....and 6-speed, which made it very tough to find. After a few months of searching one popped up and it was at Proctor.

While it is a 4-hour drive from Atlanta, the sales service I've gotten from my rep there has been great, so I decided to take my business there again when it came time to lease my RLX and my wife's ILX.

brutustlx

Seriously? What are you talking about. If you are looking at those cars why are you even thinking TLX, completely different ballpark. Kills me when people compare cars that have no relevance to each other beyond 4 wheels.

I am at the point of just ignoring these random posted pictures, I have seen ones I like, video I like and ones I am not crazy about, until I see this in person not going to judge this car. What is clear to me is that the front end I am going to like in person it is hella better then the current TL and the wheels need help.... I also am positive it will look at lot better in person, as is the case with most Honda's. Acura get this freakin' thing at dealerships so I can see it and get this teasing done with.

docboy

The relevance here is that I'm a Honda/Acura fan and supporter; I had an Accord, Integra, 1G TSX, and now 4G TL 6MT.

The relevance continues in that Acura no longer has a performance model that holds my interest (so far at least it appears with current released details about the TLX anyways, while the new NSX's info are nowhere to be found) and that my car interests are being swayed elsewhere.

Consider too that the rumored TLX SH-AWD Advance is near $50k with no "Tier 1" brand cachet (and likely more monies if one has to get a body kit/new rims to get it decent looking), I and along with other current owners who have gotten older and may likely have more disposable income, our eyes wonder at what other vehicles can be had for that price, and ones that are more exciting visually and dynamically behind the wheel. With vehicles like the S5, Macan S, and 997 that can be had for mid to high $50k, suddenly the bland looking TLX with unknown driving dynamics and unknown transmission reliability is not looking too good.

At over $50k MSRP, I no longer see the value of Acura's sedans and have expanded my horizons to other makes.

weather

God...I am struggling too!! I can't seem to see any good pics of the TLX that makes me want one (except the prototype). I need to see some leaks of the bodykit that I can at least trying to get excited.

jwong77

I think this is a pretty damn good observation. Acura as a brand seems to be squeezed from both sides, as the more expensive brands are going downmarket, and the mainstream brands are getting incrementally better.

just as an example, the value prop between the TLX and a Touring Trim Accord V6 is getting smaller.

holografique

And not a single one of those vehicles you listed is a mass selling vehicle that is created to generate large amounts of revenue. They are created to cater to the enthusiasts and give their customer base more unique options than the existing base product. A base product that generates the majority of the sales.

How long is it going to take for people on this forum to realize that the TLX is a move by Acura to regain their mass revenue stream? It's called Business-101 folks. When a company goes through revenue loss like Acura has over the past few years, that is not the time to go spending and investing into niche products that are purchased by the minority, not the majority. That goes for ANY company, not just car companies. Now could have Acura possibly done a better job with their attempt to recapture the success of the 3G TL? Not a single one of us can tell until this car is out there and selling.

With the loss in sales over the TL, the economy, the tsunami, AND their poor decisions on other fronts, Acura cannot afford to invest into nichey sport vehicles like an S5, Lexus RCF, etc. etc. If Acura recovers and see's gains from the TLX, then I'm sure at that point there will be less financial risk for them to start focusing back on variants and sport options that cater to the MINORITY ENTHUSIASTS.

KeithL

I still think Acura provides value. Yes it is getting squeezed, but honestly for $50K you would be hard pressed to find a lot of competitors. The real squeeze is from Hyundai when you can get a 15 Genesis loaded with AWD For $52K that has a few more features than Acura. The Germans are still substantially more apples to apples.

holografique

I definitely agree with you on the pricing / feature issue. Acura needs to step it up and add more to their vehicles for the prices they are asking for. Especially when you've got the likes of companies like Hyundai and Kia offering additional luxury features that Acura doesn't even offer in their flagship vehicle (e.g. panoramic sunroofs, advanced rear-seat environment/entertainment controls, HUD's, etc.). Yea, the RLX-SHAWD will have a HUD, but useless when it's relegated to a vehicle that is being produced in very low numbers.

The Equus and the K900 are bringing on some fierce competition.

dzionny_dzionassi

from where all of you getting 50k Price tag. Price was announced? I don't think so..
I bet TL SH-AWD with Advance Package will be 47k USD max..

randomRon82

Instagram...

mondster

Looks too damn plain....

fsttyms1

Well if the Bland looking, RLX sales are any indication, its not looking good for the Bland looking TLX.

SSFTSX

It is not just the design but fit/finish does not look like Japanese built quality. large front overhangs, thin frontal area. Practically no presence for TLX. its a design down grade to achieve greater fuel economic.

docboy

The ONLY reason I have a 4G TL 6MT is b/c its a worthy S5/335/G37 competitor. A member here on AZ who owns a S5 wrote something along the lines of "The TL performs 90-95% of the S5 for $10k less." The TL 6MT is a great value due to its interior size and 6MT power.

I myself consider myself an "enthusiast" and given that this is Acurazine "the unofficial Acura enthusiast resource," one would suspect members of this enthusiast forum would gripe about an "unethusiastic" vehicle.

Acura HAD a nice sporty/enthusiast vehicle when it had the Integra, 3G TL type S, and the 4G TL 6MT, with the latter two variants of the maintstream model. Who knows, maybe Acura as you mentioned will release sporty variants later on if the TLX is successful; but so far the TLX IMHO doesn't have esthetic or sporty traits I find desirable. The prototype was a great start, and then it got castrated.

I agree, Acura has to cater to the MASSES. Such is the case with the redesigned RDX, which is seeing record sales. MDX and RDX are selling well, while the ZDX got axed. But the ILX and RLX, clearly not sporty vehicles, are not selling well and aren't they catering to the masses? If Acura's current sedans ILX and RLX are not doing well, what makes one think the TLX will sell well?

So... something has to stand out with the TLX and allow the TLX to distinguish itself; as of now, I see Acura as playing catch up and nothing about the TLX stands out to me. Again, the TLX's prototype design was a great start, but now it's gone. Hence as I've stated before, the TLX better dam well have near perfect driving dynamics for it to have any chance at being successful.... Unless of course Acura comes up with another excuse.

Acura had a contest to "win a TLX Advanced SH-AWD" a few months ago; within the contest rules there was a line that states estimated retail value for a TLX SH-AWD Advanced at $49,995: http://www.acura.com/thrillrules.aspx

SeismicGuy

How shrewd of Acura to have discovered the 2 things that potential buyers want in the new design--a letter added to the model name and more headlights.

I guess if sales don't go the way they expect they can always add a few more headlights. Why stop at 10 when you can have 12 or 14?

Timmy18

Never mind it was already posted.

Treblig

In those photos and that trim, it really is disappointly "bland" looking. I do agree that somethings look much better in the "flesh" than in their photos. I am certainly hopping that is the case here. I still remain hopeful. The real thing, in the right color and trim package may put a lot of us at ease.

holografique

It's been discussed numerous times already that the RLX hasnt done well likely to its poor marketing and high price. I believe the ILX is the same situation, and further impacted by the fact that it does not have enough substantial luxury features for the price it commands to really entice a buyer to justify the added cost over going with a Honda. If the ILX offered real leather seats, a larger steering wheel, TPS, memory seats, better suspension, and better cabin noise reduction, all of which are already available in its bigger sister cars, I think the ILX would sell alot more. The biggest problem being it just doesn't "feel" luxury enough. It "feels" like a Honda, more like a Civic, yet still commands a price of which you could pay for an entry level C-Class. All going back to Acura's value prop loosing its effect in the market place due to heightened competition.

The success of the 3G TL in its masses was not design, but much more likely to be a perfect balance of price, value, the economy, and overall buye sentiment.

You seem to take every aspect of Acura's success and attribute it to design. And while I agree that design is critical to capturing the emotion of a potential new buyer....MOST car buyers dont buy for that reason, they buy for value. We the enthusiasts buy on emotion, and what makes us feel passionate about a car and that is more based on design and looks. But again, we are the minority.

To say the RLX/ILX are bland is opinion and one that I dont think is the cause of the sales issue for the reasons I've already stated. I think the ILX is a hot looking car. To me its the evolution of the Integra. And Ive already stated what I think of the RLX.

fsttyms1

So what you are saying is that the consumer doesnt care that they have never noticed the car before, nor that it doesnt catch their eye as something they would like but if it had a bigger steering wheel, tpms etc they would want it??
Most people i know arent enthusiasts, and i will tell you if they dont like the way the car looks, or it doesnt catch their eye in some way to make them want to go check it out, it doesnt matter if it had a larger steering wheel, tpms, nvh they arent going to look at it nor purchase it. What you suggest is like saying you think your wife is ugly but you married her because she chews her food quietly.

Ill just leave it at we agree to disagree. Everyone has different tastes, what one likes the other may not.