Saintor

Apparently; a lot. WTF is the purpose of that quote and do you expect to prove exactly?

I had to google the source of it, that I wrote 10+ years ago.
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - View Single Post - Is it true that Acura TL is faster than 330i? And, handles like RWD?

Would write again. In that comparo the Acura TL got the worst steering and handling rating (7/10) while the BMW got the best in both (10/10). The BMW won massively in fun-drive too (25/25 vs 20/25). Need more explanation that the feel of the BMW is better, really?

The 1st gen TSX was another story. Although the TSX 2nd gen was a turd, like the TL 4th gen was. Awful.

You gotta get down that old TL from that pedestal....

Fortunately since, the TLX handling is MUCH better than that old TL. Its steering is precise and quick but its on-feel center and progressive weight remain lifeless. The F30 is now similar and got a bit better since 2014, although not even close to the E90. With the right tire and sport pack, not xdrive, the E90 was in a different league in that regard, pure bliss, next to Porsche-level. Most people found it too heavy... certainly not me.

BTW for your info:
People Switched from E90 to F30 - Please comment BMW News at Bimmerfest.com

BEAR-AvHistory

Lets see, you used the E46 vs TL to prove the E90 felt better than the TL. But just about 100 out of 100 thought the E90 handled pretty crappy compared to the E46. Poor choice for an example since both were worse than the E46.

Bach to real life antidotal evidence. I had an 2004 330ZHP convertible the same time I had the 2006 TL 6MT. It was a drivers race to 60 & in the quarter, the quicker driver won most of the time. That said the relatively rare ZHP was a s**t load quicker than the standard 330, therfore so was the TL MT.

Car & Driver ZHP test::
.Our Performance-package 330i sprinted to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds and covered the quarter-mile in 14.3 seconds at 97 mph.
The quickest 330i test times we've recorded prior to exercising this enhanced edition came in our first instrumented encounter with the 3.0-liter 3-series back in December 2000: 0 to 60 in 6.1 seconds, the quarter in 14.8 at 95 mph.

Acura was clearly planning to take no prisoners with the latest TL, and that was immediately apparent at the drag strip, where the TL ripped off a 0-to-60-mph mark of just 5.8 seconds--a half-second quicker than the potent Infiniti G35 could manage with its 3.5-liter V-6, and more than a second quicker than the best of the rest.

Drivers pushed hard to discover the 3500-pound TL's bad habits. Turns out there weren't many in the second-lightest car after the BMW. For a front-driver with lux-car pretensions, the Acura keeps its understeer well hidden, its 60/40 weight bias well disguised, its roll and pitch well checked. The TL's 0.91 skidpad performance and 62.5-mph lane-change speed were tops. The steering is light -- some thought a bit too light -- and the nose is eager to veer where it's pointed.

hadokenuh

Sometimes I hate debates on forum.

Presidential debates, on the other hand, are fun to watch.

Saintor

Your mistake started right there.

I owned both the E46 and E90 at the same time for a while. No contest, for dynamic (specially handling/steering) the E90 emerged as the clear winner. Just don't let xdrive and RFT interfere.

2006 BMW 330i - Long-Term Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

BEAR-AvHistory

No mistake on my part. Don't know what E90 you had but mine was an E92 2011 335is the pick of the E9X litter. The 335is was obliviously a lot faster than my 2004 330ZHP but the 330 was a lot more agile than the E92 with better steering feedback. Same holds true for my 135is that replaced the 330 again it was more agile than the 335is it was also just as quick.

saturno_v

Bear


You keep debating someone coming from an E46 and then an E90 that find the TLX satisfying to drive....imagine that....LOL

Furthermore tell our expert "engineer specialized in gear design" with "25 years of experience" (if it is true he should ask for money back on its education, but considering his language I doubt he is actually 25 years of age) that the "incredible energy efficiency" of these Haldex systems is mainly because the AWD is turned off when you do not need it and actually in some implementation the entire drive shaft is disconnected (for example in the Chrysler 200) when in FWD mode.
Sure, Audi is switching to an Haldex type AWD system called "Quattro Ultra" (similar to the Chrysler 200 system with the full drive shaft disconnect when you do not need AWD) but only for its entry level trims on their longitudinally mounted engine cars (and with a big uproar from Audi fans we should add), anything from the 3.0T engine and up will stay fully mechanical for the foreseeable future.

BEAR-AvHistory

Being retired I occasionally have too much time on my hands, a first world problem. Besides its just a continuation from the BMW sites where the 328 was the greatest car in the world & the EPA was the GOD of mileage pronouncements.

Love it when a Canadian who does not have to live under US government nonsense regulations supports on of the most derided operations of the US government.

Saintor

Kid-racer is at it again. I mean trolling.

Saintor

Are you trying to justify the 4-cyl. turbo madness?

From C&D
5-60mph / observed mpg
2017 330i I4: 6.7s 25mpg
2009 328i I6: 6.4s 25mpg

Not exactly progress....

ggesq

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I think we are done here.