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The Camry does look better in a number of ways, but the $40,000 TLX has to be better than a Camry in every way, shape, and form. We're talking about Kia, Toyota, and (of course) Honda in reference to Acura. This is completely unacceptable if you are Acura management.
Acura needs to knock it off with all the wax poetic commercials, drop the meaningless taglines, and go back to just making cars.
Better in terms of looks? If so, that's kinda subjective isn't it.....A $40k A3 (yup you can load a A3, not S3, to $45k+) doesn't look all that exciting for instance...
Originally Posted by mondster
Any confirmation that it will be at the chicago auto show?
Originally Posted by mondster
Yeah. Checked the site too and no 2018 tlx it seems. Whats the next big auto show after chicago?
I believe the TLX MMC will be shown in the New York Auto Show in early April, which is the next big show.
The spy photos we saw came out a couple weeks ago, meaning that they were just doing photo shoots for marketing purpose. It probably makes sense that it will take a couple months for doing more photo shoots, editing the photos, and preparing the marketing materials?
I was actually excited when I saw the rear spy shot of the sport TLX but I hope the news of no powertrain/suspension upgrades isn't true. Acura keeps advertising "Thrill" but have nothing to back it up. The $160k NSX that we cant afford doesn't count. It's as if the execs purposely frustrate us and sit back to laugh at our demise.
If only Acura would've followed through 100% on their prototype that came in that athletic red pearl or even this rendering we wouldn't even be having this debate right now. No wonder sales has slumped...
Precision, Crafting, Performance?
Been in the TLX sh-awd had it for a week when I had the Takata ab recall. Wasn't impressed at all.
Dear Acura,
What performance? What-your gonna add some cool features like an oem kit slap on an aspec badge then add some exhaust that you forgot last time around and just for good measures give it a different set of rims to tell it apart. Good luck with that buddy your already struggling with sales. Need I remind you that you tried that on the special edition TL's and look where it got you?
How do you define crafting? Because to me you seem like your more occupied in the sewing department more than anything.
Don't let me get started on the precision either because i will make you write that word and its definition down for you to understand it clearly like you were Bart Simpson on that chalk board.
What happen to that fire that you had? You were so different from all the car makers. Type-S and Type-R? What happened!?! Ever since you found these new set of friends you've been acting real brand new lately. Like you forgot about the people who's been loyal to you since day one. Don't let me bring up how you did NSX either!!! YOU KNOW I CAN'T AFFORD THAT!!!
P.S. whenever you get some balls and have the heart to play with the Germans and your other buddies next door let us know don't go paying no mind to Lincoln either he's just an an odd ball as it is already... If you need help or counseling we're all here for you. Just don't get butt hurt when we all told you so many years ago, but you just didn't wanna listen.
Agree, the lower section of the front fascia is outstanding when you are trying to sell a thrilling performance image. Speaking of a thrill I am sure Saintor will be thrilled to know the Ugly Kit Car & personal safety equipment passed the Tech Inspection today. Good to go play again this season.
I was actually excited when I saw the rear spy shot of the sport TLX but I hope the news of no powertrain/suspension upgrades isn't true. Acura keeps advertising "Thrill" but have nothing to back it up. The $160k NSX that we cant afford doesn't count. It's as if the execs purposely frustrate us and sit back to laugh at our demise.
400hp Q50 has been tempting me.
Someone over on TOV said there will be powertrain/suspension upgrades...so, we have to see. The sport model looks too gussied up to be a simple body kit and wheel job.
Now that I think of it, I feel you may be right. If it was just the front and rear fascia upgrades, I don't think Acura would take this long to show the car, at one of the car shows.
Many of us were thrown off by the news update stating there were no power train or drive train upgrades, but I'm not sure how official that news update actually is.
I think the normal engines will remain, but we might get a sport version of the car. So maybe that's just it. The article stated the A-spec package would get no power train changes... which kind of falls in line with previous A-spec packages. They never said a word about a Type S though.
True but I'm not necessarily ruling that out yet. The a spec suspension was only a very mild upgrade over stock. Slightly firmer with a very modest drop. You can spend the same money on coilovers and get better results.
Now that I think of it, I feel you may be right. If it was just the front and rear fascia upgrades, I don't think Acura would take this long to show the car, at one of the car shows.
Many of us were thrown off by the news update stating there were no power train or drive train upgrades, but I'm not sure how official that news update actually is.
I think the normal engines will remain, but we might get a sport version of the car. So maybe that's just it. The article stated the A-spec package would get no power train changes... which kind of falls in line with previous A-spec packages. They never said a word about a Type S though.
If you look at the topic on TOV, one of the posters divulges the info. It seems that he/she is an insider of some sort. It all seems logical but we won't know until the car is shown. Apparently there will be an A-spec package which is probably like what has been offered in the past, and then a sport model or whatever it may be called. I'm hoping the Type-S moniker returns, but even that poster doesn't know what this "sport" model will be called.
If you look at the topic on TOV, one of the posters divulges the info. It seems that he/she is an insider of some sort. It all seems logical but we won't know until the car is shown. Apparently there will be an A-spec package which is probably like what has been offered in the past, and then a sport model or whatever it may be called. I'm hoping the Type-S moniker returns, but even that poster doesn't know what this "sport" model will be called.
I feel like they're saving the Type S moniker for whenever they actually add horsepower to the configuration. Which won't happen
I really feel like there is a sport hybrid in the future. Whether that is the Type S or not remains to be seen. I agree that it seems questionable to have 2 different sets of tailpipes; if it's one set for the regular models and another for the A-Spec...that is just another long, unsuccessful two years for Acura with the TLX. My bet is those round tailpipes come with a model with extra power.
I feel like they're saving the Type S moniker for whenever they actually add horsepower to the configuration. Which won't happen
based on what? We know the refresh is already done. If it was just front and rear upgrades, Acura would've released the car already. I'm thinking it is power train related. We didn't see anything about it in the press release and I think that was intentional.
The MMC spy shots we've seen could very well be rocking the old engine and stuff. They're only taking exterior shots, so who cares what's under the skin. I'm holding out hope that it will be more than that, though. I think the delay in releasing the car is a good enough indication that something else is changing. Same with the NSX when they changed the configuration and had to start from scratch. This isn't as drastic, but it still takes time to get it right.
1.) No power train changes - 2.4L stays, 3.5L stays
2.) 2.4L and 3.5L both remain available. In addition, a 3.5TT or 2.0T becomes available for a Type S
3.) 2.4L and 3.5L both remain available. A Type S with 3.5TT or 2.0T becomes available. Also, a TLX hybrid will be available using similar setup as the Accord
4.) 2.4L and 3.5L both remain available. A sport hybrid version becomes available much like the MDX or RLX
I'm guessing sport hybrid or 2.0T. Or both, together?
I would love to see a 3.5TT, but let's be honest here with regards to who we are discussing
Exactly, Acura was reluctant to put the 3.5l hybrid combo in the MDX because they were scared it would make the RLX look bad (I don't buy the "it can't fit argument"). So don't imagine them EVER putting a 3.5TT engine in because it might "canabalize NSX sales". I don't see a hybrid like the sport hybrid system because it seems really costly to me and also they took SH-AWD out of the RDX and cut down TLX quality enormously so they are all about cost cutting these days. If anything we might get some shitty hybrid assist like the ILX and Accord.
Exactly, Acura was reluctant to put the 3.5l hybrid combo in the MDX because they were scared it would make the RLX look bad (I don't buy the "it can't fit argument"). So don't imagine them EVER putting a 3.5TT engine in because it might "canabalize NSX sales". I don't see a hybrid like the sport hybrid system because it seems really costly to me and also they took SH-AWD out of the RDX and cut down TLX quality enormously so they are all about cost cutting these days. If anything we might get some shitty hybrid assist like the ILX and Accord.
The accord hybrid is excellent. It both offers very good MPG (about 40 in LA- probably 46 in most of the rest of the country) and good acceleration - about 7.4s 0-60. If they tweaked it a bit to get 0-60 in 7.0 I'm sure we'd lose some MPG but it still would be great. They could get make a 400HP type S for people who really wanted to focus on horse power. Maybe have a giant 400HP logo on the sides and back to let people know since they'll never get to use that unless they get a trailer hitch.
The accord hybrid is excellent. It both offers very good MPG (about 40 in LA- probably 46 in most of the rest of the country) and good acceleration - about 7.4s 0-60. If they tweaked it a bit to get 0-60 in 7.0 I'm sure we'd lose some MPG but it still would be great. They could get make a 400HP type S for people who really wanted to focus on horse power. Maybe have a giant 400HP logo on the sides and back to let people know since they'll never get to use that unless they get a trailer hitch.
I would be the 400hp d-bag, for sure. To me, it would not make sense for Acura to introduce a TLX hybrid, EXCEPT for a SH-AWD Sport Hybrid like the RLX. Both I4 and V6 versions of the TLX already get great gas mileage and the I4 0-60 is in the high 6 - low 7s. But I would not be surprised if Acura threw that logic out the window and did introduce a non-performance-oriented hybrid because, well, Acura.
It's interesting that Acura won't make the TLX more powerful, since it then starts entrenching into RLX power territory.
Apparently it's more important to worry about a car that moves 1500 units per year, as opposed to one that moves 30,000 units per year. I'm sure there is logic in there somewhere, but I'm having a hard time finding it.
The only thing wrong with the RLX is styling --looks too much like the current gen Accord. In Japan, it's the Honda Legend. They should call it that, too. The technology behind the RLX SH is superb, but it's kind of a butterface situation.
The only thing wrong with the RLX is styling --looks too much like the current gen Accord. In Japan, it's the Honda Legend. They should call it that, too. The technology behind the RLX SH is superb, but it's kind of a butterface situation.
I'm not sure that's the reason the RLX is not selling... Heck, I'm not even sure what it's competing against these days, Q70? A6? 5? E? Buick LaCrosse? K900? Genesis? Toyota Avalon?
I'm not sure that's the reason the RLX is not selling... Heck, I'm not even sure what it's competing against these days, Q70? A6? 5? E? Buick LaCrosse? K900? Genesis? Toyota Avalon?
For every blandly-styled Acura sedan, you can find a blandly-styled Lexus and/or Infiniti equivalent.
Q50 looks like the Accord if you cover up the front grille/fascia.
IS looks like the TLX with a ghastly spindle grille design, even if the TLX came afterward.
Neither are exciting to look at. It's ok to disagree.
Yes I don't agree the Q50 looks nothing like an Accord, nor does the TLX look like an IS, at all. The IS looks grew on me, at first I found it hideous but it looks pretty good in person. The main thing here is the performance. The Q50S Red Sport and Hybrid will destroy A TLX
Exactly, Acura was reluctant to put the 3.5l hybrid combo in the MDX because they were scared it would make the RLX look bad (I don't buy the "it can't fit argument"). So don't imagine them EVER putting a 3.5TT engine in because it might "canabalize NSX sales". I don't see a hybrid like the sport hybrid system because it seems really costly to me and also they took SH-AWD out of the RDX and cut down TLX quality enormously so they are all about cost cutting these days. If anything we might get some shitty hybrid assist like the ILX and Accord.
As per Jeff at TOV who had an interview with a PR rep during the debut of the MDX Sport hybrid, he was told the 3.0L was used for better fuel economy while maintaining performance. There's probably some cost considerations too as the 3.0L is from the Chinese-market RDX with port injection.
The closest competition to the MDX Sport Hybrid would be the Lexus RX450h. That car has a combined output of 308hp at 4857lb. The MDX Sport Hybrid has 325hp with an estimated curb weight of about 4500-4600lb for comparison.
For sure, the 3.5TT is a far stretch. But, even if the TLX does get a 3.5TT, it won't be similar to the NSX's engine. The NSX engine is basically a race car engine.
The sport hybrid system costs money. But keep in mind, going with sport hybrid system means they don't need SH-AWD. In terms of hardware, if we look at it simply, the sport hybrid is similar to other hybrid cars with a couple more motors. It's gonna cost more than a regular SH-AWD system, but that is reflected in the price difference. The SH-AWD system costs about $2-$2.5k, while the sport hybrid system is $5.5k.
Originally Posted by Saintor
5) 2.4L and 3.5L both remain available. A Type S with 3.8 325-340HP.
3.8L NA J series?
Originally Posted by mk5
I would be the 400hp d-bag, for sure. To me, it would not make sense for Acura to introduce a TLX hybrid, EXCEPT for a SH-AWD Sport Hybrid like the RLX. Both I4 and V6 versions of the TLX already get great gas mileage and the I4 0-60 is in the high 6 - low 7s. But I would not be surprised if Acura threw that logic out the window and did introduce a non-performance-oriented hybrid because, well, Acura.
The TLX I4 and V6 get decent mileage in their class, but, it's nowhere close to Accord Hybrid level. If they make a TLX I4 hybrid, that would be a decent competitor to the Lexus ES300h. That car has 200hp combined with a curb weight of 3691lb. It starts at $40k. Considering the TLX starts at $32k, I can see a TLX I4 hybrid starting at $35k. Even if the TLX keeps the same power rating as the Accord hybrid, it will still be 212hp.
IMO the Q50 looks comical, they tried to get too literal with the headlights and the angry eyes thing. Sort of looks like an angry puffer fish.
Lexus on the other hand is becoming a design powerhouse, if you look at their cars, like them or not, they look exotic and expensive. IMO the IS is probably the worst rendering of their new styling.
Yes I don't agree the Q50 looks nothing like an Accord, nor does the TLX look like an IS, at all. The IS looks grew on me, at first I found it hideous but it looks pretty good in person. The main thing here is the performance. The Q50S Red Sport and Hybrid will destroy A TLX
And at the Red Sport's price point, when discussing performance like you have - I'm picking a 340i.
02-10-2017, 05:40 PM
