rocket_pup

You obviously don't know what you're talking about because the Porsche Macan, Audi Q5, and VW Tiguan are built on the same chassis and share parts. In Europe, they even share similar small displacement engines.

rocket_pup

Why is your cneter console so dusty? J/K, you probably have a good camera phone, and that stuff gets picked up well.

rocket_pup

Sorry, same platform, not chassis. All from the VW Group.

dzionny_dzionassi

Yes sir, it is owned by VW, Bugatti is owned by VW too.
Seriously man. Tiguan and Macan is not comparable.
And this is why:

• Tiguan has a transverse mounted engine and longitudinal in the Macan
• Tiguan is a part time AWD vs full time Macan, Tiguan is front-wheel drive most of the time, whereas Macan is mostly rear wheel drive
• Gearboxes - The Tiguan is 6 speed the Macan is a 7 speed PDK
• completely different chassis
• Macan is performance cuv, Tiguan is econobox.

BEAR-AvHistory

No Problem. Two reasons, pollen season has hit big time & its not driven as much at it used to.

rocket_pup

Saying an Infiniti QX50 is a "poor man's Macan" is even less of a comparison. Maybe a Jaguar F-Pace, but I would say an Audi SQ5 is the closest.

RDX10

I'm going to split the difference between you two guys. For one thing, the Tiguan has a reputation of handling amazingly well and has been said to handle better than a Mazda CX5 which is very commonly known to be the top of the class in handling of mainstream compact SUV's. Especially when the Tiguan is equipped in R-Line trim with massive 255 wide tires and 19" wheels. It can haul some ass.

Now his comment about poor man's macan was strictly drivetrain layout, handling, and general shape based. I.e RWD and pretty good handling with a generally similar overall shape. Saying a Tiguan is a poor man's macan does not make any sense from any other view point than comparing within the VAG family. Even then that is not a fair comparison because they are completely different in drivetrain setup. I would agree with him (as I did above) because the QX50 does compare favourably to the Macan in terms of quality and performance...but it doesn't get goodies like porsche dynamic chasis control, active roll bars, air suspension, active differential...etc. Nor does it come with turbo V6 engines and Dual clutch transmissions so of course the macan out performs it.

svtmike

Great discussion for another thread.

Can we get back now to how lame the TLX is?

Kense

I had DAS in my Hybrid, I had no problems with it, I think it was totally overblown in reviews. The only people who had some issues with DAS were those living in sub zero locations. Other than that there were no issues with DAS for those of us in California other than a re-program. I had a G35 that lasted 9 years with no issues other than needing new CV boots

Kense

To me German cars seem to be hit or miss the older ones tend to be more reliable. I've mentioned this before I had an S4 that was a real POS. Others have been lucky, but I find more often than not people start having annoyance issues after 50K miles then it gets worse and worse over time.

rocket_pup

Just curious, what year was it, and how was it a POS?

kurtatx

Audis since 2009 have better reliability than prior generations. Audi has shot up every reliability standard in the last half decade or so (I had an 08 A4 and had problems. took a while to come around to getting another one)

donkiboy

How is the 7 speed in the QX50? I've been hearing complaints that it's clunky / unrefined and has been the same ever since 2009 (in the G37).
I've test driven the latest RDX, but found it to be bit boring to drive.

dzionny_dzionassi

I think they fixed that back in 2012 or 2013. I have seen no complains lately for any application that uses Jatco 7 speed. IT seems it reacts twice fast as my 6 speed in MDX.... What i miss is paddle shifters.

KeithL

my 2011 M37S had the 7 speed and in 39 months and 44K miles I can count on my hands how many times it hunted for a gear and that was fairly predictable when slowing down for say a light and the light turns green and you punch it. As for my TLX in 18 months and 13K miles I can count on my hands how many times EACH WEEK the TLX 9 speed can't figure out what it wants to do and then takes forever to do it. I'll take the Infiniti 7 speed any day over the ZF 9 speed.

Kense

2010 and It was plagued with electrical and mechanical issues.

Kense

I'll wait until there is more data on that. I don't trust those reliability ratings just because I know they are calling cars unreliable that have issues with their Radio or something that has no affect on how the car actually drives. With Audi and German cars my concern is with actual mechanical issues that can leave me stranded. So to me a car that has problems with the infotainment cannot possibly be less reliable than a car that has fuel pump and oil consumption issues.

kurtatx

Understood, but regardless of what you consider a problem, just know Audi has significantly less of them now.

Kense

That's always a good thing, especially since I think Audi's look the best out of the Germans. One day I'll buy an S6.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I was at the auto show over the weekend and saw the Giulia in person. It looks nice in person, more or less the same as what was seen in pictures (unlike Acura cars, they tend to look better in person to me). I also spent some seat time in one. The interior design is decent, but the quality doesn't look or feel good. There were scratch marks everywhere. It doesn't seem like the plastic parts are durable. The back seats are terribly cramped. Head room is okay for people 5'8" or under.

RDX10

Someone in my neighbourhood bought one of these, it looks amazing. Though I only seen the rear end because it was in the driveway and it was at night so I couldn't get a good enough look. I'm going to try driving by later today to see if they have it outside still.

JT4

I saw the Alfa in person 3 weeks ago and I agree the interior is no big deal and the rear seat is very cramped, I mean it's really tight. But IMO that exterior can make me overlook those shortcomings, it's stunning in person, what a great design....

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

haha yea, the exterior is nice!

kurtatx

I saw one on the road. Looks sharp as all getup. Problem is, what makes the design an Alfa is what makes the design weird. The back door is oddly shaped, the back seat is cramped. The materials are very Fiat Chrysler. Haven't yet got to drive it, though.

jjsC5

There are two reasons I would not by an Alfa. Quality and resale value. They may have fixed the quality over the years, but they will have to be out several years before I would take that chance. Ditto resale value. That's the problem with poor quality. It takes years to fix a broken reputation.

kurtatx

Two solid reasons. The only thing I would say is we don't really know how the new generation of Alfa Romeos will fare in the United States regarding resale value. But, at this point, there are just too many more proven models in that segment to commit to an Alfa Romeo of questionable quality and value.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

+1 about the Fiat Chrysler quality. This is the only car at the autoshow that had so many scratches and plastic residue peeling off.