Light Gray Headliner with Espresso Interior
#1
Racer
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Light Gray Headliner with Espresso Interior
I sat in a TLX today. I noticed the headliner was a light gray color on the Espresso Interior. Does anyone find this annoying? It really bothered me!
Also, does the grill at the bottom of the steering wheel do anything? Located under the airbag. Does it act as a speaker for any sound?
Last, could a 4G Wood Steering Wheel fit on a TLX? It may be a nice compliment to the wood trim. It looks like a close fit.
Also, does the grill at the bottom of the steering wheel do anything? Located under the airbag. Does it act as a speaker for any sound?
Last, could a 4G Wood Steering Wheel fit on a TLX? It may be a nice compliment to the wood trim. It looks like a close fit.
#2
Instructor
I sat in a TLX today. I noticed the headliner was a light gray color on the Espresso Interior. Does anyone find this annoying? It really bothered me!
Also, does the grill at the bottom of the steering wheel do anything? Located under the airbag. Does it act as a speaker for any sound?
Last, could a 4G Wood Steering Wheel fit on a TLX? It may be a nice compliment to the wood trim. It looks like a close fit.
Also, does the grill at the bottom of the steering wheel do anything? Located under the airbag. Does it act as a speaker for any sound?
Last, could a 4G Wood Steering Wheel fit on a TLX? It may be a nice compliment to the wood trim. It looks like a close fit.
Grill doesn't do anything.
Why not just get the wood trim steering wheel that is made for the car. If you take it from the 4G, won't you just have to replace it?
#4
MiaTLX
I think mutiple color combos, if not all, have both gray headliners and carpets. Its a way for Acura to cut their costs. I dont think it looks good, especially on TLX's with Black & Espresso interiors.
#5
MiaTLX
P.S. The wood grip sterring wheel accessory ad on is only $500. I wish it had wood on the lower portion as well, but its only on the top.
http://www.acura.com/Accessories.asp...cId=TLX0015036
http://www.acura.com/Accessories.asp...cId=TLX0015036
#6
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That was the first thing that caught my eye when I first saw the pics of expresso. I guess we can't expect the TLX to be a Jaguar or Aston Martin with tons of headliner choices.
I wish they could have at least have thought of black, that's not too hard to implement. It would go with a lot of colors.
I wish they could have at least have thought of black, that's not too hard to implement. It would go with a lot of colors.
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rhn75 (08-22-2014)
#7
Drifting
That was the first thing that caught my eye when I first saw the pics of expresso. I guess we can't expect the TLX to be a Jaguar or Aston Martin with tons of headliner choices.
I wish they could have at least have thought of black, that's not too hard to implement. It would go with a lot of colors.
I wish they could have at least have thought of black, that's not too hard to implement. It would go with a lot of colors.
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#8
Three Wheelin'
the gray headliner is one reason that I would go with the graystone interior if I end up downgrading to a TLX. It's the only interior color that honestly flows with the entire interior color-scheme and doesn't look awkward. It's what I have in my RLX and it just flows soo well.
Even the black leather interior looks off with the gray headliner.
Even the black leather interior looks off with the gray headliner.
#9
Three Wheelin'
It looks great in the photos, but my concern is keeping it clean for a car that I may have for 8-10 years. I often wear dark jeans and the transfer would be bad. Had the grey headliner with black leather on my 3G TL and it was not a problem.
#12
Summer is Coming
Honestly I never even noticed the color of the headliner.
#13
Drifting
I have a car with black interior and gray head liner and have no issues with that combo. It kind of lightens things up in the interior. I certainly wouldn't go and replace a headliner for that reason.
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MisterZDX (08-24-2014)
#14
Instructor
I like the headliner being a lighter color. Makes the car feel a bit more airy. I kind of think of it as the same reason that ceilings are usually painted white (or light). Gives a feeling of space and openness.
#15
Drifting
I notice that in BMW etc. you have to pay extra to get the black headliner. Oh no, I would not like to pay extra to make me feel like I am driving in a dark cave...
#17
I love the light color headliner with the black leather in my ZDX. It goes well with the silver trim interior pieces. Not sure I'd like it with espresso leather though.
#18
I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but my 3G TL with ebony interior has the same "light gray" headliner. From what I recall, the pillars are also gray. The combination looks fine to me. Lessens the "cave" appearance.
#19
I understand why they have lighter headliners and pillar trim. But I noticed the same thing when looking at the espresso interior and that was actually the factor that led me not to take it. Compared to the other interiors espresso now has a third interior color being introduced because of the gray.
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In the 3GTL the ebony also did have a grey headliner, that's true. But that goes together. It doesn't clash the way expresso does. Black would work better. If you got parchment on a 3GTL you didn't get a grey headliner, it was tan. Seems like they did a better job on trying to match things up back then. There was even 2 different trim options, CF or plood. Sure most people didn't like the wood but at least there were some combinations going on that you could choose from.
I know some have said these things don't bother them or they didn't notice, Acura was banking on that. It really varies person to person, some types are more picky. If you are the type that is particular about such things, it really is the glaring FIRST thing you notice and it's unavoidable.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
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Rocketsfan (08-26-2014)
#22
Right, it's true a darker headliner does give it a cave-like feeling inside. But if it goes with the color scheme it is still a better option. If you ever been in a high end car with a dark color alacantra headliner, it looks awesome. But the lighter colors are definitely more widely accepted and make the car feel airy, roomy and bigger.
In the 3GTL the ebony also did have a grey headliner, that's true. But that goes together. It doesn't clash the way expresso does. Black would work better. If you got parchment on a 3GTL you didn't get a grey headliner, it was tan. Seems like they did a better job on trying to match things up back then. There was even 2 different trim options, CF or plood. Sure most people didn't like the wood but at least there were some combinations going on that you could choose from.
I know some have said these things don't bother them or they didn't notice, Acura was banking on that. It really varies person to person, some types are more picky. If you are the type that is particular about such things, it really is the glaring FIRST thing you notice and it's unavoidable.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
In the 3GTL the ebony also did have a grey headliner, that's true. But that goes together. It doesn't clash the way expresso does. Black would work better. If you got parchment on a 3GTL you didn't get a grey headliner, it was tan. Seems like they did a better job on trying to match things up back then. There was even 2 different trim options, CF or plood. Sure most people didn't like the wood but at least there were some combinations going on that you could choose from.
I know some have said these things don't bother them or they didn't notice, Acura was banking on that. It really varies person to person, some types are more picky. If you are the type that is particular about such things, it really is the glaring FIRST thing you notice and it's unavoidable.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
I'm a very picky guy. I'd notice any and every details. For instance, I don't like the interior door design -- a bit too much plastic and the lock switch is not of brushed metal trim. But I'm realistic and reasonable in my expectations too. I'd rather they cut on these very minor aesthetic aspects than on more important stuff that you may not see, such safety and reliability (stuff under the hood, so to speak).
I just think some people have the wrong expectation and make too much of a fuss about very minor things for a car in that price range.
Last edited by dysonlu; 08-26-2014 at 12:52 PM.
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#23
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So because others cut corners they should? That's the problem with the people running the company. Also they say one thing and do another. What was with all the "premium" and "upscale" talk during launch. I know they have to market and promote but there is a limit to lying. Don't they truly want to stand out with the better product, design, engineering? Or is it all about the bean counters? Yes I applaud the price point they have brought it to market. But this is a small example of how they did it.
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Most of my criticism of this car is not really at the car. It's turned out to be what I expected. It's more towards the brand. Knowing what they are capable of and disappointed in that. Limiting themselves to go the distance. Personally I wouldn't mind paying $5k more for a more premium product and less corners cut.
I know I'll hear "well the TLX is not for you then", seems like it, it's not the old Acura and the TLX is for a different type of customer now. In fairness, I still have to drive it, so we'll see.
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Most of my criticism of this car is not really at the car. It's turned out to be what I expected. It's more towards the brand. Knowing what they are capable of and disappointed in that. Limiting themselves to go the distance. Personally I wouldn't mind paying $5k more for a more premium product and less corners cut.
I know I'll hear "well the TLX is not for you then", seems like it, it's not the old Acura and the TLX is for a different type of customer now. In fairness, I still have to drive it, so we'll see.
#24
Right, it's true a darker headliner does give it a cave-like feeling inside. But if it goes with the color scheme it is still a better option. If you ever been in a high end car with a dark color alacantra headliner, it looks awesome. But the lighter colors are definitely more widely accepted and make the car feel airy, roomy and bigger.
In the 3GTL the ebony also did have a grey headliner, that's true. But that goes together. It doesn't clash the way expresso does. Black would work better. If you got parchment on a 3GTL you didn't get a grey headliner, it was tan. Seems like they did a better job on trying to match things up back then. There was even 2 different trim options, CF or plood. Sure most people didn't like the wood but at least there were some combinations going on that you could choose from.
I know some have said these things don't bother them or they didn't notice, Acura was banking on that. It really varies person to person, some types are more picky. If you are the type that is particular about such things, it really is the glaring FIRST thing you notice and it's unavoidable.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
In the 3GTL the ebony also did have a grey headliner, that's true. But that goes together. It doesn't clash the way expresso does. Black would work better. If you got parchment on a 3GTL you didn't get a grey headliner, it was tan. Seems like they did a better job on trying to match things up back then. There was even 2 different trim options, CF or plood. Sure most people didn't like the wood but at least there were some combinations going on that you could choose from.
I know some have said these things don't bother them or they didn't notice, Acura was banking on that. It really varies person to person, some types are more picky. If you are the type that is particular about such things, it really is the glaring FIRST thing you notice and it's unavoidable.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
#25
Three Wheelin'
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Would I want to wait and extra 8-10 weeks just to get a specific headliner color. I think not, and I will likely keep the car for 8-10 years.
#26
So because others cut corners they should? That's the problem with the people running the company. Also they say one thing and do another. What was with all the "premium" and "upscale" talk during launch. I know they have to market and promote but there is a limit to lying. Don't they truly want to stand out with the better product, design, engineering? Or is it all about the bean counters? Yes I applaud the price point they have brought it to market. But this is a small example of how they did it.
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Most of my criticism of this car is not really at the car. It's turned out to be what I expected. It's more towards the brand. Knowing what they are capable of and disappointed in that. Limiting themselves to go the distance. Personally I wouldn't mind paying $5k more for a more premium product and less corners cut.
I know I'll hear "well the TLX is not for you then", seems like it, it's not the old Acura and the TLX is for a different type of customer now. In fairness, I still have to drive it, so we'll see.
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Most of my criticism of this car is not really at the car. It's turned out to be what I expected. It's more towards the brand. Knowing what they are capable of and disappointed in that. Limiting themselves to go the distance. Personally I wouldn't mind paying $5k more for a more premium product and less corners cut.
I know I'll hear "well the TLX is not for you then", seems like it, it's not the old Acura and the TLX is for a different type of customer now. In fairness, I still have to drive it, so we'll see.
"Premium" and "upscale" are subjective and relative to the context. Stand out in product, design and engineering? Maybe not to you, but for many others, Acura achieved that with the TLX. It's all subjective. Did the 3GTL stand out when it first came out? Questionable.
Not sure how better the color matching is with the previous gens but my 1G TSX black interior has a grey headliner as well. And if I recall correctly, I saw a 4G TL with espresso/orange-ish leather and black dashboard with grey headliner too.
When I said safety and reliability, I mean cost of production. They spend more budget on safety and reliability, chassis development R&D or whatever and save some money on stuff like headliner materials and colors. Compromises and compromises. That's what it's about. That's reality.
Yup, it's really about how much you wanna pay and what "corners" are important to you and which ones are less. If you are ready to spend $5K more, then more power to you. But there are still corners cut with whatever more expensive car you end up choosing.
Last edited by dysonlu; 08-27-2014 at 02:46 PM.
#27
I know some have said these things don't bother them or they didn't notice, Acura was banking on that. It really varies person to person, some types are more picky. If you are the type that is particular about such things, it really is the glaring FIRST thing you notice and it's unavoidable.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
There's a lot of corners they have cut and their marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at. And then you see the real deal and can't help but see reality is slightly different.
"marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at"
Sure. And that's true to all marketing, regardless of companies. Can you blame Acura for doing marketing to focus on the good stuff?
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Stew4HD (08-27-2014)
#29
So because others cut corners they should? That's the problem with the people running the company. Also they say one thing and do another. What was with all the "premium" and "upscale" talk during launch. I know they have to market and promote but there is a limit to lying. Don't they truly want to stand out with the better product, design, engineering? Or is it all about the bean counters? Yes I applaud the price point they have brought it to market. But this is a small example of how they did it.
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Most of my criticism of this car is not really at the car. It's turned out to be what I expected. It's more towards the brand. Knowing what they are capable of and disappointed in that. Limiting themselves to go the distance. Personally I wouldn't mind paying $5k more for a more premium product and less corners cut.
I know I'll hear "well the TLX is not for you then", seems like it, it's not the old Acura and the TLX is for a different type of customer now. In fairness, I still have to drive it, so we'll see.
In the aspect of headliners, yes they have gone backwards, why do that if they are trying to move forwards? 2G, 3G had different colors and matched better. It's just a color, it's not alacantra, double stitched leather or anything. Yes it is a silly subject, but it makes me wonder where else they may have cut corners under the skin. I doubt it is safety/reliability related, that would be risky and come back to bite them, I'm sure it is on par with Honda. But this is Acura. This is not a way to get ahead.
Most of my criticism of this car is not really at the car. It's turned out to be what I expected. It's more towards the brand. Knowing what they are capable of and disappointed in that. Limiting themselves to go the distance. Personally I wouldn't mind paying $5k more for a more premium product and less corners cut.
I know I'll hear "well the TLX is not for you then", seems like it, it's not the old Acura and the TLX is for a different type of customer now. In fairness, I still have to drive it, so we'll see.
#30
My point is that I find you pretty harsh with the two paragraphes above. You made it sound like it's a big flaw that Acura is trying to hide with marketing. I think this is ridiculous. 99% of potential buyers will sit in the car before buying. They may or may not notice the headliner color and they may or may not be bothered by it. But Acura is not "hiding" or diverting consumers' attention away from this. (As a side-note, if they were actually trying to hide this, I'd much prefer that than a company who "hides" questionable long-term quality issues or anything that you can't see but will find out only when it's too late!)
"marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at"
Sure. And that's true to all marketing, regardless of companies. Can you blame Acura for doing marketing to focus on the good stuff?
"marketing is all about making you pay attention to what they want you to look at"
Sure. And that's true to all marketing, regardless of companies. Can you blame Acura for doing marketing to focus on the good stuff?
Acura has a marketing dept? did not know that. Acura marketing is a joke. They got everything wrong . wrong engine. wrong design. wrong colors.
Of course, if you get paid by Acura to gloss over their mistakes , then all is great.
#31
Not sure about the headliner, but if you go to the "Build and Price" section of the Acura website for the TLX, it looks like when you choose a parchment interior, the B pillar changes to be a parchment/tan color while on the ebony and espresso colors, you see it change to the gray color. Based upon this, my guess is the headliner is parchment on the parchment color.
#32
2014 MDX Tech / sh-AWD
Not sure about the headliner, but if you go to the "Build and Price" section of the Acura website for the TLX, it looks like when you choose a parchment interior, the B pillar changes to be a parchment/tan color while on the ebony and espresso colors, you see it change to the gray color. Based upon this, my guess is the headliner is parchment on the parchment color.
I fully agree that the espresso interior should have a black headliner. The grey does not match and doesn't look good
#33
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^^Who said MB has not been guilty of this? Remember the old C230 hatch? We all know they make cheaper lines of cars abroad and MBs serve as taxis in some markets. But MB has gotten the memo; they've had periods where they went backwards from their 80s overengineered glory and have come back. They want to maintain the premium image they have here in the US. They've listened to the customers. (and their wallets.)
I drove the CLA250, I find quality and build to be very impressive car for it's class. It is a far cry from that old C230. It's just that at the price point of a CLA45, there are certain expectations because of the AMG badge. I'm sure BMW is taking notes while designing their M2. People are expecting a clear step up to //M.
TLX is supposed to be a notch above the CLA though. TLX is supposed to be the game changer. Supposed to bring Acura sedans back from the dead. It has a lot more riding on it than any CLA45. (which practically has no expectations, AMG cars are not about volume.)
But at any rate is what I said REALLY harsh? Forget the headliner, it is so trivial. (frankly I don't care too much, I spoke about it just to use as an example.) The TLX is not a premium product, it is entry level luxury. OK then speak of it that way and present the product accurately. Back when I bought my 3GTL I didn't hear all this marketing about how premium it is and quality etc. That was for the RL. TL was all about making the smart buying decision for the up and coming. All about buying the advanced, technologically forward car. That is what it is. It had a sporty edge but that sport sedan message was not the most important thing in their promotion. I'd say they used to market their cars better back then.
You may feel that all marketing is hype. Not totally true. If you notice most brands that are confident in their product don't really have to say too much. The product speaks for itself. I have owned many products that I can back up 100%, more than a happy customer. There is no hype. It's not just brand image perception or cache. There are some great products that are actually top of it's class and it is rightly earned. Of course plenty of opinions on that, but such is the world.
Honda has the ability to be exceptional if they wanted to. I'm not saying they are hiding anything. They rather do what others are doing and try to say they are offering the same thing the way others do. This is not a 2015 C class, so get off the quality thing. It is not a performance thing, so stop trying to make this like a 4-series.
What does the ES say it's car is? Stick to that. That's the customer they want now anyways. Market to them. They don't make stuff up like saying it is a performance car. Lexus has had no problems since the 2nd Gen ES in terms of sales.
I drove the CLA250, I find quality and build to be very impressive car for it's class. It is a far cry from that old C230. It's just that at the price point of a CLA45, there are certain expectations because of the AMG badge. I'm sure BMW is taking notes while designing their M2. People are expecting a clear step up to //M.
TLX is supposed to be a notch above the CLA though. TLX is supposed to be the game changer. Supposed to bring Acura sedans back from the dead. It has a lot more riding on it than any CLA45. (which practically has no expectations, AMG cars are not about volume.)
But at any rate is what I said REALLY harsh? Forget the headliner, it is so trivial. (frankly I don't care too much, I spoke about it just to use as an example.) The TLX is not a premium product, it is entry level luxury. OK then speak of it that way and present the product accurately. Back when I bought my 3GTL I didn't hear all this marketing about how premium it is and quality etc. That was for the RL. TL was all about making the smart buying decision for the up and coming. All about buying the advanced, technologically forward car. That is what it is. It had a sporty edge but that sport sedan message was not the most important thing in their promotion. I'd say they used to market their cars better back then.
You may feel that all marketing is hype. Not totally true. If you notice most brands that are confident in their product don't really have to say too much. The product speaks for itself. I have owned many products that I can back up 100%, more than a happy customer. There is no hype. It's not just brand image perception or cache. There are some great products that are actually top of it's class and it is rightly earned. Of course plenty of opinions on that, but such is the world.
Honda has the ability to be exceptional if they wanted to. I'm not saying they are hiding anything. They rather do what others are doing and try to say they are offering the same thing the way others do. This is not a 2015 C class, so get off the quality thing. It is not a performance thing, so stop trying to make this like a 4-series.
What does the ES say it's car is? Stick to that. That's the customer they want now anyways. Market to them. They don't make stuff up like saying it is a performance car. Lexus has had no problems since the 2nd Gen ES in terms of sales.
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Perhaps, but I don't think either color would go great. Imagine tan with it....There is no tan anywhere else. I think they went with gray because it is a bit more neutral. Tan would have made the color difference more noticeable.
I'm sure their thinking was that the interior looks dark on the bottom half, so let's keep the top half part light and airy so it doesn't feel claustrophobic. So I understand their intentions, just not my cup of tea.
I personally wouldn't choose this interior color just because of that. But it sucks because it is such a cool and distinctive color. I'm glad at least Acura put something interesting in there instead of just the regular ebony, parchment and graystone. Kinda reminds me of the 3G that had a rare color too called Camel. I had the choice of going for it but opted for Ebony instead. I like CF trim better than wood.
I'm sure their thinking was that the interior looks dark on the bottom half, so let's keep the top half part light and airy so it doesn't feel claustrophobic. So I understand their intentions, just not my cup of tea.
I personally wouldn't choose this interior color just because of that. But it sucks because it is such a cool and distinctive color. I'm glad at least Acura put something interesting in there instead of just the regular ebony, parchment and graystone. Kinda reminds me of the 3G that had a rare color too called Camel. I had the choice of going for it but opted for Ebony instead. I like CF trim better than wood.
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