CPR

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm truly LOVING my 2015 TLX/SH-AWD/Tech; (new ZF transmission)
Drove about 400 miles over the last 3 days; city, & hwy., combo; averaged 31MPG, on 93 octane
At 75MPH, you can barely hear the engine; plus, the ELS was crankin'; primarily HDD, & BT Audio
Zero wheel vibration, & good acceleration up the Catskill hills; even with the Goodyear Eagle's
After 2 rocky years, because of the bogus tranny, I'm finally realizing, what a great vehicle, this is for $43K
Anyway, hope my fellow 'ziners had a great weekend, as well
Moral of this story: Once the tranny issues are addressed, there is NO BETTER VEHICLE for the money; IMHO

Civic2TSX

Agreed on your no better vehicle proclamation! I don't have the V6 but I am absolutely loving the DCT after just 1 month. I hope to create a full review in the coming days or weeks. I will admit that it does take a lil getting used to (like 2 drives, lol). The major thing is having to wait about 1/2 a second longer when going between gears but that's absolutely nothing in my book at all. I really love the DCT in Sport but I haven't really played with Sport+ yet.

If Acura never offers the DCT in the Advance package, I just may keep this car after the lease. That's really the only thing I want from them. I don't need 350 HP in a fwd and I don't need sh-awd in Miami. OH and shout out to Brooklyn, CPR! My hometown!

F23A4

I feel likewise with my 16 V6 FWD. ��

No issues, no major complaints, and approached the purchase with expectations managed. The only thing I may have done differently is to get the SH-AWD model.

pyrodan007

That's a pretty large conditional since not many people have that luxury. If the transmission is the same, is it still a good buy? The money factor is still there, but fun factor takes a major hit.
I guess for normal folks the ZF as-is is perfectly fine. It's the car enthusiasts who take a major blow.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I agree with CPR (although I have the 2.4/DCT) - other than a few minor nits (which have been well documented) I'm very happy and would buy again.

Frankly I think the main issues, beyond the WELL DOCUMENTED zf issues - have been more of expectations. It's not a BMW killer but it is a quiet and comfortable car with decent performance and luxury/semi luxury appointments.

kurtatx

Honda HAS to get their DCT to work with the V6. A smooth DCT is really awesome for those of us who want a manual but sit in traffic a lot. The A4 DCT is just awesome. No jerkiness, subtle, with fast shifts.

nothome17

Right on!! Would suck if your stuck with a car you don't like. I know there isn't much love in the Acura sedan lineups but don't let that discourage your investment.

Saintor

The 2016 ZF9 is perfectly fine;I don't want a DCT and their associated maintenance. The ZF9 has the same short gear change time as the ZF8, at around 150-200ms, so it is a very quick transmission, mechanically. However its programming should be improved; even using the paddles there is a delay probably longer than 0.3s. It is annoying but hardly a deal breaker.

For the rest, it is a very good car. After a few 'Germans, it took me a while but it grew on me. It is highly comfortable and very silent. The only IDS mode that is fun is the Sport+, all the three others Eco/Normal and even regular Sport are not, thanks to the infuriating throttle response. At least in Sport+, it is OK. Finally its V6 knows how to sing properly, especially 5000-7000rpm. I hate the V6 wannabes (2.0T) that sound like a fr*king Civic.

I'll give the handling 8/10, similar to what I would give to the current F30, A4, Q50 and C, It is not to the level of the E90, IS or even the ATS, but very enjoyable.

Would buy again.

spoiler900

I agree, i have a 15 SH-AWD Advance and I LOVE IT. I have 0 buyers regret its been awesome. Only thing I wish would be a few things different. Transmission is OK, not a deal breaker but my girlfriend has a 4cyl base model and its so much more fun to drive her car with paddle shifters due to the DCT, but mine I rarely use the paddles. My only fantasy wish list is (power folding mirrors, heads up display, different tranny, and a Sport Hybrid Setup). yayayya

F23A4

Yes, the DCT almost swayed me towards the 2.4 Tech over the base 3.5 with both being effectively at the same price point.

I hope the more powerful version of the next TLX adopts a similar tranny.

CanTex

I am liking my 2.4 Tech more every day. But as talked about ad naseum in other threads I have ingress/egress issues with the low seating. Once I get in it's an awesome and intuitive drive experience. Until I have to get out.

A software upgrade fixed the DCT issues early on plus the car learned my driving style. The 2.4 has plenty of power and with the light engine handling is very neutral and balanced.

Sadly it will have to go back when the lease is up. The residual price in October is more than the retail price of an equivalent car today.

Also sadly, Acura has nothing for me. We have a '17 RDX Advance. No more sedans.

TLXVanquish

Still happy with my TLX 2.4 as well

nothome17

TLX vanguish says it all or avatar pix.

kurtatx

The TLX 2.4 has been really well received. Maybe when Acura makes it a 2.0T, we'll get it paired with SH-AWD?

Then again, the 2.0T might replace the V6.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I may go the same route (several years down the road - my TLX is paid for) as I enjoy the 2016 CRV my wife bought. Just wish it rode a little better and was more quiet - but that's (I presume) what the RDX would bring to the table. Maybe a 2022 RDX!

kurtatx

I hear you on the CR-V. We have the 2016 Touring, and that damn thing is NICE. All the bells and whistles work really well and the seats are really comfortable. It's not quite as quiet as my A4 or my TSX before it, but it's still a great ride. Plus, I'm not putting our three dogs in the back of an RDX.

Nsxtech

The 8 speed will not be mated to the v6 ever and acura won't get another 4 cult turbo in the near future. Mpg is the game now and if you look at the last 4 cal turbo it did not do well. The 8 speed clutch feels so well to you all because as your car shifts into 1st gear the even clutch has already selected 2nd gear and so on as you move through the 8 gears. There are softwAre updates almost bi weekly now to fix minor bugs. Acura also has been working on a ten speed trans

Nsxtech

Should say 4 cyl turbo

Saintor

Great!

$50K cars deserve something better.

TacoBello

Like superb 2.0Ts you mean? They are pretty fantastic. Turbos in general are. That's why MB, Audi, BMW, Lexus, you name it, all use them.

TacoBello

At this point, I feel that a Type S (or other sport version name) is coming for 2018. A front and rear update would not take so long to release, unless Acura is just waiting to clear out 2017s before releasing the 2018 MMC. But that just doesn't seem right.

If there is a sport model. I think there's a good chance it will come with a 2.0 turbo. It might be the V6 with SH-SH-AWD, or turbo, or turbo with SH-SH-AWD (). And it will be at the top of the price point.

Nsxtech

Yes the type s is coming back but no turbo. It will be more of a package for looks than anything. Look at Honda over the years. They don't build turbo cars. Look at Audi over the years they build turbo cars. How many audi's from 20 years ago are still driven. No ask that same question for Honda.

TacoBello

No no... You're confusing that with the A-Spec package. And admittedly, those have only ever been suspension and aesthetic mods, since day 1. In fact, I don't know if the 2G TL that came in A-Spec had different suspension (I don't remember). Acura never said anything about the suspension in the press release, but I really don't think it's out of the realm for them to do it. I mean, it's just slightly shorter/stiffer springs, and slightly revalved struts.

TacoBello

Also, you're looking at it wrong. How many 20 year old audis do you see on the roads in general (even non turbos?). On the other hand, I see plenty of 20 year old turbo Nissans or Toyotas on the roads here (imported, of course). But those cars have generally been driven hard. VERY hard. and they still run on original engines and turbos.

turbos are the way of the future, if manufacturers are expected to reach better and better fuel economy ratings, as set out by the government.

Nsxtech

look at the new civic for example. There's your small displacement turbo engine you want. It's not doing very well. Acura is moving in a different way. Look at the the old type s. You got a 3.7 and a manual if you wanted. Well acura doesn't use manuals anymore so you can forget about that. Also acura doesn't have a 3.7 anymore. Everything is direct injected now. They are trying to achieve the mpg by a lot of forward gears and super fine fuel trims. They type s will be fun and will sell but I wouldn't get your hopes up for something crazy. I'm a master acura tech and every time I have talked to engineering they have mentioned nothing about turbos to a acura. The nsx is it. I have been to the engine plant for the nsx in Ohio. They have gone to great lengths to seclude that car from everything else they do.

TacoBello

Why would the engineers leak anything prior to release? It could cost them their jobs.

honda already has a 2.0T from the CTR. It's not an all new engine that Acura is developing. Also, not sure where you got your assessment about the civic turbo not selling well. I've seen a number of them on the roads already. It's already been more or less confirmed the civic Si is getting the 1.5T and the Type R is getting the 2.0T. Why would they bother if they know people won't buy?

The TLX-S very well may come with a V6 and the hybrid system. It would make the car a rocket ship. It might not have crazy power numbers but the instant torque off the line would fling that car forward very nicely.

Either way, it's just speculation for now. I'm sure in 4-6 months, we will know a bunch more. Also, having the NSX TT and any other sport model a single turbo is differentiating and secluding the NSX. Also, not sure what you mean "Acura is moving in a different way", as both H and A share the same engines, albeit with tweaks to differentiate them. It's not like they have completely different engines from one another.

Anyway, you're not the only master tech on AZ and no on other tech seems to have the engineering inside scoop- not sure how you do, but I don't see why they'd be leaking info this early, unless you know more than you're willing to divulge.

Nsxtech

I'm not saying the civic isn't selling well it's selling great. I have access to plenty of stuff the public doesn't see. Hell when I went to school for the nsx every car we got to put our hands on we're pre production so we were able to see the stuff joe public never sees or hears about. The civic is having its own little issues. Also Honda is trying more than ever now to create more of a difference between Honda and acura.

Nsxtech

If acura is going to eventually use that turbo engine it would be in my best estimate in the 2020-2022 range. I just don't see it happening right now

TacoBello

What are these little issues?

Again, you're not the only master tech here. Doesn't sound much different than some other folk. Hell, I personally know sales folk who got up close and personal with the preproduction NSX and got the whole gambit when the car was about to be releasd.

Nsxtech

Overheating issues, piston pins walking out are a few major ones

Saintor

It is not about turbos, it is about 4-cyl. turbos in this application. They may be ok in a $25K GTI, but 2.0Toys don't belong in $45-50K cars and are nowhere as "fantastic" as V6/V8, NA or FI. Kudos to Toyota for introducing a new DI 3.5 V6 in the 2018 Camry/ES. They decided not to use their "fantastic" 2.0T.

Curious3GTL

Yeah, but Toyota scrapped the V8 in the LS for a V6 with a turbo. They also renamed it to the LS500 (which makes no sense).

kurtatx

I'm not sure why Toyota did that for the Camry, but the fact that you cite the V6 in a Camry as a reason V6's are great illustrates that you're full of it. A low hp V6 is stupid. Sorry, it just is. The great performance models may get V6s but they're usually turbo or supercharged anymore. Camry should be a more powerful, higher torque turbo 4. Lexus doing the Acura nonsense.

ggesq

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^ let's try and keep the personal insults out of the equation when posting an otherwise legitimate post. Thanks.

TacoBello

Does anyone really have a high horsepower V6? I know Nissan pushed the VQ37 to 350hp, but I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else that pulls that much hp out of a naturally aspirated V6. If anything, the V6 in most cars is more based on an "appliance" configuration. Decent power, but it's biggest concern is to last for forever and be cheap to maintain. I really can't think of anyone who makes a sport V6. I really can't think of anyone who makes a sport V6, where fuel economy isn't at the top of the list of things to worry about, besides again, Nissan. But I think they're killing off that engine anyway.

Saintor

290HP is low hp now? lol! Why so nasty? On another hand, I would be also pissed off if my $45-50K car sounded like a freaking Civic. I am not interested to spend another $5-6K and lose 2mpg to get +40HP, but I absolutely love the character and sound of my V6.

To answer your ranting, this is the same reason why Audi uses a V10 NA in their most R8 Plus. Or why GM/Ford/Dodge use large NA blocks to generate less HP per litre than an Honda 3.5L 290HP. They won't delivery the ultimate efficiency, but they will deliver more immediacy and more fun. Those 2.0Toys are rather weak, funny sounding and they are just another nonsense fashion from Europe, where low displacement is king - not relevant here.

Rocketsfan

I think Porsche just recently switched to turbos in the last year or two, but i think their non-aspirated V6's were cranking out over 400hp (?) before they finally said they needed to go the turbo route to keep getting more performance while still being efficient.

TacoBello

Ok, besides brands like Porsche, lol. I meant more in the realm of what people on AZ would buy new. I don't think too many of us can afford the 400hp NA V6 porsches.

Does Cadillac have a powerful V6? I'm not even sure.

TacoBello

You're hate on 2.0Ts is hilarious.

Also, domestics can make smaller displacement high hp cars. They choose not to. They use bigger engines because they prefer big torque over big horsepower. You can always squeeze more HP out of an engine as long as you raise the rpm. That's not the case for torque.

Audi uses a v10 because it is considered exotic, not because they need it. It also gives them much more torque and way better power delivery low in the rpm band. Honda engines cannot compete in that regard. True story.

You need to rev a Honda engine into VTEC to get decent horsepower. Even then, it's not that crazy. The VQ37 puts out 350hp. Honda has never crossed 305hp from 3.7L. One of the reasons the VQ puts out higher HP is because it revs higher than the 3.7L Honda engine. Even so, the J series design is more appliance like, meant to be reliable and fuel sipping. They lack key components like DOHC.

Also, Ford sells the GT350 mustang these days with a 5.0L v8 that produces 526hp. What's your argument against that engine? They can do it. It just depends what each company is shooting for. And yeah, that's more hp/L than honda has ever achieved with any V6- even the original NSX wasn't that high.

The thing is, honda can achieve higher hp/L, but what limits them is the FWD layout and the problem of torque steer with too much horsepower going to the front wheels. If the TLX V6 only came in Shawd, I bet they would've cranked the car into the low 300s.

TacoBello

Also, plenty of 2.0Ts that put out 300+ hp. Pretty sure Mercedes even has a 2.0T that puts out 360hp and crazy torque. Not sure how that's considered weak. The s3 pushes over 300hp and crazy torque... I dunno man. You get more performance for slightly worse fuel economy. Most guys want that.

I'll give you the sound thing. Yeah a 4 cylinder doesn't sound as good as a 6 cylinder. Never has and never will. But a mildly modified exhaust can make a 4 cylinder sound like a v6.