BEAR-AvHistory

They've already said they haven't ruled out the visible exhaust pipes on the TLX which makes me think they'll show up mid-cycle or possibly on a performance variant.

Their reasoning that it's to be green sounds stupid. You can't expect your buyers to accept "smart luxury" yet expect them to be that stupid.

They want to save some money fine but to LOOK green is BS

2012wagon

Luxury cars lot of them had hidden exhausts. THen the Lexus LS came out with those integrated ones (love it).

Since then its been a race to the exhaust pipes .

Except Acura of course....

Worst is the RLX bumper chromed out rear reflector. Lets spend $ there isntead of pipes.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I have a theory (with no facts to back it up - just my amazing ability to see the truth) on this:

I think they had a focus group of young female college grads with well paying jobs and they chose cars with hidden exhaust tips when given the choice between the two.

Simple as that.

TacoBello

Awesome. I'm glad that's the demographic they chose to appeal to

You could likely put a dead fucking moose strapped to the roof of the car and they wouldn't notice, so long as it was painted the same colour as the rest of the body. "Ooh, nice color!"

2012wagon

^^
Were they all lesbians?

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I don't know about the lesbians but it's a good question.

Let's face it - the TLX is more "Chick Car" than manly muscle car. And let the record show I'm perfectly okay with that.

2012wagon

Oh I don't have a problem with "chick car." Drove almost 500K miles in many Miatas over the years and heard it constantly.

And now I am dd'ing a wagon (99% women owners) due to illegitamate children.

I guess I was just saying usually straight women like phallic objects, but lesbians might not. SO they might like the downturn exhaust pipes.

RCJD

Good point Cheese, so far the percentage of the drivers that I see driving the TLX are mostly female. Its like the TSX, most of them are also female.

Quandry

To get this thread back on track and away from the crass bigoted comments. I saw a report somewhere that suggested the repair bills to fix a rear end collision on cars with hidden exhausts were less expensive, leading to lower costs to insurance companies and to your insurance premiums.

2012wagon

WEll if insurance cost reduction is what is the primary focus in designing a car, why do jewel headlights?

Front bling but no rear bling?

TacoBello

I don't know about you, but I don't go buying a car with the thought of "what will happen to my premiums if I get rear ended?" Generally I like to drive without being involved in an accident and I generally do everything in my power to avoid them as well. Generally.

Also, if my car has hidden exhausts and it gets rear ended, I'm not paying. The guy that hit me is. Nothing happens to my premiums whatsoever.

And since when do manufacturers give two squirts of piss about what insurance companies think regarding repairs? In that case, manufacturers would solely build their cars with aftermarket parts rather than oem to keep costs at a minimum.

BEAR-AvHistory

Would not disagree. Think they have written off the main base of the Acurazine website. Think if/when top end cars hide their exhaust it will become a trend. That said have not seen any move to hidden systems on 2016/17 leaked pictures.

As for the Porsche Cayenne in question multi-exposed pipes are pretty common on 570bhp cars.

Stew4HD

IMO, the Lexus LS and GS have already hidden their exhaust. I say that because the openings they for exhaust have are faux tips. I prefer none to fake ones

poeycat

With hidden exhaust pipes I imagine that would make it less likely to scrape them on curbs and uneven pavement.

2012wagon

Average AZ, acura owner can't comprehend such high numbers

K24 fo life, YO (per the kids these days)

TacoBello

Gee, could it be because that's what's already sitting in your garage?

frainc

I was getting my oil changed today and the sales manager (whom I bought maybe 8 cars from him) told me that the TLX is not selling as he hoped. New program coming out for Feb. 1st. Doesn't know yet what it entails.

2012wagon

^
I thought it was Acura's best selling car?

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

bear has a point.

if they flat out told us why and not give us a BS excuse, i would accept the tailless pipes.

going green; when using the same engine architecture since 1996 is not a valid reason.


now if they came out with a hybrid model without tailpipes, I would accept that going green answer.



its exactly like people.
you can read and spot fake people very quickly.


acura's marketing has not been very straight forward.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

The TLX is, by far, Acura's best selling sedan!

CheeseyPoofs McNut

But that's the whole point of marketing - it's all designed to sell stuff not tell the truth.

They can't say they had hidden exhaust tips because studies show women like that better than exposed tips - it would make the womens feel kind of manipulated and may be detrimental to sales Anyways - it's all speculation and blind conjecture at this point.

weather

I agree with all so far....Given us a "green" statement is bogus. Give us the real reason but for the record, lack of visible tips is not a deal breaker for me. I still don't like being played for a fool though, that is my g/f job *lol*

As for the TLX being the best selling sedan, I agree...HOWEVER, does anyone have a statement from Acura what their target number was? I know there some very well connected people on this forum and this information may already have been posted or accessible. This will tell us whether Acura is happy with their TLX sales

Again, it is all relative so there COULD be some truth to what "frainc" posted...

2012wagon

I read this previously on honda's website

Acura has big plans for the all-new TLX. Overall, Acura is planning to sell 10,000 more vehicles in 2014 than the 165,436 units in 2013.


They ended up selling 167,843

2012wagon

General public doesn't care about tail pipes or fake wood or fake leather


For one, the new Acura TLX alone could carry Honda.
"It's going gangbusters," Mendel told me. "We're still struggling to meet the demand."
The midsize sedan only has been in showrooms since August and racked up 19,127 sales between then and year-end. Honda is only 10,000 away from its record and will have eight-plus more months of the Marysville-made TLX replacing the now discontinued TL and TSX.
"The outlier is the ILX," Mendel said.

Honda predicting record 2015 with new Acura TLX and Honda HR-V, improved Acura ILX, redesigned Pilot - Columbus - Columbus Business First

weather

^^ Then that is a good news story then So that lays that theory to rest....thanks for posting the facts.

justnspace

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you dont need to lie to make friends....
same goes for selling shit.

this is probably one of the more truthful commercials of the TLX.

2015 Acura TLX TV Commercial, 'More'-iSpot.tv

There's absolutely no reason to lie when this commercial told the truth and MADE me want to get a TLX because of the jab at Ze Germans.


the point of marketing is not to lie.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

who the fuck likes a liar?

jeffNB

I concur with the OP. I have owned Hondas since 1994 and Acuras since 2007. My 2011 TL lease is up and I have bought it out. The TLX just didn't do it for me for the following reasons:

- Double wishbone suspension gone.
- Vinyl seating. I don't get this. When I was a young lad, you were poor if you drove a car with vinyl seating. Shit, you cannot even get vinyl seating in a Civic. Why they would put this in a luxury-brand make is beyond me.
- No spare tire. Most of the tire failures that I have experienced resulted in a ruined tire. A can of goo wouldn't have got me back on the road. Even the Civic we have in the driveway has a spare tire. In Canada, there is no spare tire kit available. Each part must be ordered individually. The rim alone is $600 up here. I questioned the local dealer and they called the BMW dealer across town who told them that BMW has no spare tire. That justified Acura's position. Isn't it great that Acura's competitor can tell them how to run their business?
- Hidden exhaust tips. Getting picky here, but I like the stainless steel tips on my old TL. Regression is not part of the plan. They are probably saving the visible exhaust for a future Type-S model.

Sure, there are more electronic gadgets on the TLX - that are likely to cause warranty claims and trips to the dealer.

You can normalize and reconcile the pluses and the minuses between the two generations to arrive at a value proposition, but how do you reconcile the reliability and drivability problems? Acura will fix the obvious mechanical failures, but will they ever fix the shift quality issues of both transmissions?

It is for those reasons that I am stepping off the merry-go-round for now.

Stew4HD

^Shrug.
My transmission does not need fixing.. so many focus on the few that do have problems and flat out ignore those that do not.

No spare tire kits can be bought in Canada? Really?

It doesn't sound like you wanted to like the TLX... IJS.. not that it's bad... we all like what we like.

*sarc* I wanted to like the Q50s.. I better run over to the Infiniti site and let em know that I just didn't! *endsarc*

Charlieu

I really liked the headlights, didn't care what was behind them.

The basic shape of sedans in this size class pretty much look the same.

Stew4HD

^ Aerodynamics have much to do with the basic shapes of today's sedans. That goes from for the top in class to the bottom, for the most part, they all have the same basic shape

CARLOS10

The new M5 will be AWD , so all the RWD argument will became garbage.
Will people pay $ 130k for a non RWD luxury sedan ???.

Stew4HD

I am sure some people will. Will the M5 be ONLY AWD?

Mr Hyde

Given your history of posts, I can't tell if you are confused, lost, or just posting in the wrong thread. What does this have to do with anything in this thread?

All I can say is

TacoBello

I do, I do!



No, I'm lying



A car not having a spare tire sounds like a risky proposition. I was coming home with some friends, about 6 years ago now, when we got a flat on the highway in the middle of no where. No biggie. Just through the spare on And off we went on our merry way for the remaining 7 hour drive. Otherwise we'd be stuck waiting for a tow truck, pay ridiculous fees, probably need a motel room for a night, etc. no thanks.

Leaving the exhaust tips for a Type S version is kind of bullshit also. The 3G TL had a nice looking factory setup from day one... And when the Type S version came out, it looked even sexier and so bad ass. As if acura couldn't design two different exhaust tips.

Are the vinyl seats really that bad? Or is it one of those things that if you didn't think about it, you likely would never notice? I wonder if acura did this from a durability/longevity stand point. Doesn't vinyl wear better than leather? Curious to know...

Granted that on AZ the transmission problems likely sound worse than they actually are, in terms of how many people it affects, however, seeing as the car is not even 6 months old, it doesn't exactly do favours for all the other TLXs out there. If issues are happening that soon, there's likely a chance that it's only a matter of time before more people are having problems. I sincerely hope acura has caught on and has done something to fix the problems. I guess time will tell.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Don't take it personal - but they all do.

LeBron James has his line of shoes that he markets - what's the message you're supposed to get? Buy the shoes and you'll be a better player? You'll play like LeBron? It's all a lie. It's all about selling shoes. I bought a Mark Knopfler signature guitar - I still sound like CheeseyPoofs McNutt. Lies lies lies.

The whole "green image" thing might be extrapolated from the focus group who likes the "clean" look of a car with no exhaust - so that's what they say but I'll eat my shorts if they didn't do it because they're trying to sell more cars to a segment of people who think it looks better sans exhaust. Clearly not the enthusiast crowd.

Meh - who really cares what they say - either you like the car or you don't!

smoooov

I have yet to have anyone who has looked at my car mention that it should have more prominent exhaust tips. All I hear is positive comments about the cars looks. I think the whole subject is pretty juvenile.

CARLOS10

Isnt RWD one of the biggest shortcomings for Acura to became a legit competitor on luxury sedans market ??.
Its a shame to dedicate a thread to exhaust pipes , and anothers tiresome
issues.

TacoBello

^ not really. Acura has made it very clear they will NEVER build a RWD car. Only FWD and AWD. There is no hope of that ever changing.

However, adding pipes to the back of a car isn't exactly out of the picture. It can fairly easily be done.

CARLOS10

I will bet , if Acura a build RWD line of sedans, all Germans will turn FWD.