saturno_v

First real hard numbers test


2015 Acura TLX Road Test Specs | Edmunds.com



0-60 mph (sec.) 6.4

0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 6.0

0-60 mph, trac ON (sec.) 6.4

0-60, trac ON with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 6.0

1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.4 @ 97.6

1/4-mile, trac ON (sec. @ mph) 14.4 @ 97.3

Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.84

Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) ESC ON 0.85

Acceleration comments Launch technique makes no difference in the TLX. Rapid pedal transition is as quick as power braking. Shift strategy (i.e. using manual mode) doesn't matter, either. In a sense this is good because it means anyone can achieve the TLX's best acceleration. No wheelspin off the line. Sport+ mode makes no difference here. Downshifts are rev-matched.

Braking comments Better than the last TLX we tested but not impressive. Minimal pedal fade after five stops but the brakes still smoked at the end of the session. Runs ranged from 129 to 135 feet, which isn't particularly impressive.

Handling comments Slalom: Stable and quick without any drama through the slalom. Stability control heavily limits throttle (even turned "off") but does so in a linear manner so that the intrusion doesn't upset the chassis. Goes right where it's pointed, but body roll and tires limit speed. Slalom: Amazing ability to rotate and go where it's pointed on the throttle. Fun to drive in this kind of corner where you can truly experience what SH-AWD does and how effective it can be. However, low-grip tires hurt performance.

So no 6 second barrier breaking so far...


Overall capable car, crappy tires, average to below average braking and adequate acceleration.

Call me repetitive but, again, it seems the perfect competitor of the Buick Regal GS AWD.

At this point either Acura has really dropped the ball on the sport side or they have already planned a Type S down the road...

C8N

Autobytel was posting 5.8-5.9 secs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=affI4F_1ZY8

AZuser

So a slight improvement over the 4G TL in some areas, equal in others, and slightly worse in others (i.e. braking).

2009 Acura TL Road Test Specs | Edmunds.com

0-45 mph (sec.) 4.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 6.7
0-75 mph (sec.) 9.7
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.9 @ 94.8

0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 6.4
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 31
60-0 mph (ft.) 122

Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.3
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.83

Sound level @ idle (dB) 39.9
@ Full throttle (dB) 74.3
@ 70 mph cruise (dB) 69.1

oonowindoo

i am blocked at work.

are those #s for 4G SHAWD or FWD?

I thought the SHAWD was faster than that.

AZuser

Acura really needs to get a TLX Type S out if they want to call this thing a "Red Carpet Athlete"

AZuser

4G TL = FWD

Vehicle
Model year: 2009
Make: Acura
Model : TL
Style: 4dr Sedan w/Tech Package (3.5L 6cyl 5A)

Drivetrain
Drive type: Front-wheel drive
Engine type: V6



I guess I over looked the SH-AWD part for the 2015.


http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...tl-sh-awd.html

2012 SH-AWD results:

Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.1 (2.4 with T/C on)
0-45 (sec): 3.7 (4.3 with T/C on)
0-60 (sec): 5.7 (6.3 with T/C on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.4 (6.0 with T/C on)
0-75 (sec): 8.3 (9.1 with T/C on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 14.0 @ 99.0 (14.5 @ 97.2 with T/C on)

Braking
30-0 (ft): 29
60-0 (ft): 120

Handling
Slalom (mph): 64.6 (63.8 with T/C ON)
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.87 (0.79 with T/C on)

Sound
Db @ Idle: 41.3
Db @ Full Throttle: 77.6
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 62.4

oonowindoo

so TLX SHAWD is significantly slower than the model it replaced even with "better' 9AT.

AZuser

So 2015 TLX V6 SH-AWD is worse than the outgoing 2012 TL V6 SH-AWD

And the 2015 weighs less than 2012....

2015 = Curb weight, as tested (lbs.) = 3,756
2012 = As tested Curb Weight (lb) = 3,842


EDIT... except the 2015 wins in the area of noise...

@ Full throttle (dB) 73.5 for 2015 vs 77.6 for 2012.
@ 70 mph cruise (dB) 62.0 for 2015 vs 62.4 for 2012.

Success!

oonowindoo

I like my car louder at full throttle.

weather

I am just curious how Matt Hargett can be selling this car as so exciting to drive and how much better, quicker, more engaging than the previous TL when it doesn't seem to be the case. He should know...he was involved with both cars.

*sigh* OK...I admit, I am getting moody and crabby and likely because winter is on the way but this is annoying for me.

AZuser

But "Red Carpet" = luxury = quietness, no?

Isn't that why Acura hid the exhaust tips?

Didn't Acura tout how more refined the new TLX is?


http://www.acura.com/PressReleaseArt...014&id=7891-en

weather

^^ Nope, because Acura is a green company...they love little bunnies! Actually so do I but the one at the Hugh's mansion....

SMMN

So you guys are just ignoring the link to the Autobytel video showing 5.8 seconds?

And the Temple of VTEC showing mid to high 5's 0 to 60 times?

What makes Edmunds an expert on 0 to 60 tests? As well The same cars can vary slightly and did Edmunds have optimal conditions as other reviewers etc?

There are enough tests to show this car cando under six seconds albeit not low fives.

There were enough

d1sturb3d119

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So for anyone getting the car, swap over to aggressive brake pads and better tires at least is the end consensus to get a decent car.

smoooov

Edmunds tests
2009 TL SH-AWD 5 sp. auto
0-45 mph (sec.)4.5 0-60 mph (sec.)6.7 0-75 mph (sec.)10 1/4-mile (sec. @ mph)15.0 @ 94.3 0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.)6.4

2009 TL FWD 5sp. auto
0-45 mph (sec.)4.4 0-60 mph (sec.)6.7 0-75 mph (sec.)9.7 1/4-mile (sec. @ mph)14.9 @ 94.8 0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.)6.4

Ken1997TL

These cars need to be driven hard for a while as the ECU 'learns' what the preferences are for the driver.

See Jeff Palmer's thoughts on TOV regarding all this.

weather

disturb... I am basing my comments on how the car felt when I test drove it. I was soooo pumped on getting one because I love the styling, the price, the dealer.....I just was very disappointed after test driving it.

I make my opinions and decisions based on what I experience, not what I read

Ken....How long is required? Are we talking days/weeks?

Ken1997TL

I'd imagine days at most. More like dozens of hard miles, the car learns especially in Sport and Sport+ mode that you prefer harder/quicker shifts and are willing to eat up more gas. I'm guessing the throttle mapping becomes more aggressive.

Mr Hyde

Everyone (even the A/T guys) seems to be using the lowest times ever posted for the M/T AWD TL with summer tires as a baseline, and comparing it to the slowest times posted for the A/T TLX with its all seasons.

It's quite comical actually. Can't compare the TLX to a Buick otherwise, lol

dysonlu

Goes to show that arguing over and being anal about a few tenths of a second is pretty meaningless. Fun to see what numbers people are getting but overreacting (positively or negatively) over this is quite ridiculous.

Reminds me of those people who tweak and overclock their computers to squeeze a few more benchmark points out of it, while it makes very little difference when they actually use their computer for doing something useful. It's fun to show the numbers in forums and what not but that's about it.

AZuser

And what makes Autobytel such an expert on 0 to 60 tests?

Trying to comparing tests done by the same people/organization because of different testing procedures, locations, equipment, etc.. Probably as close to an apples to apples comparo.

How do Autobytel's and ToV's #s compare between the 4G TL SH-AWD and 5G TLX SH-AWD?

Ken1997TL

For reference:

The Temple of VTEC - Honda and Acura Enthusiasts Online Forums > TLX > > Re: I was told the TLX transmission logic "learns" (new 0-60 times)

We're looking at 5.5 for 0-60.

saturno_v

As a reference, Edmunds (same source) tested the 2004 TL (non Type S), 5 speed auto, 270 HP in 2004

2004 Acura TL Road Test Specs | Edmunds.com

0-60 mph (sec.) 6.5

1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.96 @ 90.71

saturno_v

At this point even other cars transmission logic "could learn"....

d1sturb3d119

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Yeah same here. The dual clutch was pretty jerky but it might be really nice if someone boosts it. Until then however I'm not sure. Suspension was fantastically set up. Barely any roll and the dampening rates are fantastic. Very well tuned. The motor is not great though. Feels like the chassis could handle a lot more

oonowindoo

again. 0-60 means absolutely nothing. You want to see which car is faster? Look at the trap time/speed.

oonowindoo

so you are saying 9AT is not as fast as 6mt?

Most of the performance oriented sedan or coupe nowadays with AT are faster than the same model that has 6mt.

6mt does not offer better MPG or acceleration like it used to. The new 8AT, 9AT are just better at it.

Compare different magazine 0-60 test #s are just as useless as compare WHP #s from different Dyno machine.

justnspace

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So....Just mediocre?

justnspace

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Quoted For The Fucking Truth.

Mr Hyde

Not when one has a manual with summer tires, and the other is an A/T with all seasons (yes admittedly horrible ones to boot).

Smoov posted numbers for the A/T version, and they aren't that impressive, but everyone seems to be ignoring them for some reason.

Mr Hyde

Of course there were some improvements to the tranny, but other than for 9 speeds, it is a regular A/T not a performance, automated dual clutch.

Launching a manual at 4k rpm, and sidestepping the clutch is a lot different, and will lead to better times than just brake torquing an A/T.

Mr Hyde

I wounldn't say detuning them, they are tuning them with a priority other than for maximum performance.

Look at the MDX. It could have easily been setup for much more power, but it actually has a drop compared to the outgoing one.

With a lighter car, it needed less, and gave them a big bump in economy while still hitting their performance targets..

justnspace

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less moving parts + light weight components = reliability and efficiency.

this means that power is a by product of staying with the J-series engine.

look at what Chevy does with the LSx Engines.
it's the same engine, but more powerful with each iteration.


Acura is staying UNDER 300 Crank HP for a reason.

Does 300+ Crank HP break things?
is 300+ Crank HP too much for the masses?

Vettes are getting 30+mpg on the highway.

JM2010 SH-AWD

5.5 is pretty good; within .3 of the best times reported for the 4G MT, and certainly quite competitive. I believe the Q50 (non-hybrid) is in the exact same range.

saturno_v

We will see if any mags will get 5.5..I doubt it..you are not going to shave off a full second from Edmunds....C&D may get 6 or at the most very high fives like 5.8-5.9

The Q37 Sport did 5.2 and 4.9 with optional sport tire package (both C&D tests)

Edmunds (same testing source as the TLX SH-AWD test) run a regular Q50 (non Sport) at 5.5 0-60 (13.7 1/4 mile) almost a full second quicker....

oonowindoo

unless the ZF is not like all the other ZF tranny i have tried. The shift speed is not much slower than DCT...

8/9 ZF AT is not the same ole 5AT from 10 years ago + 4 more gears.

The shifting speed is a lot faster.

The whole point is not saying the new TLX SHAWD is slow... it is not. In reality, it is probably about the same as 4G. But that is where the problem is.

With improved 9AT, lighter, "more power", i would expect it to be faster.. probably trap 2-3mph higher.

Not about the same as the old one.

justnspace

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and when the 3G is faster than the 4G, the TLX isnt saying much.



Where's the thrill?

oonowindoo

So in another word, Acura is just trying to maintain but not to improve, which is the same problem i have with Infiniti right now (I have had 2 G35C and 1 G37C), they need to stop milking that same VQ. Regardless what they claim it has 280hp or 330hp. in reality, it is pretty much the same.

I think that is where the problem is. The Acura i used to know was:

"With a lighter car, We give it more, and gave them a big bump in economy while still exceeding their performance targets and its competitors.."

justnspace

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FIYW: my 3G 6MT will rocket to 60 in 5.4 secs.

saturno_v

That is not even the whole point..the Nissan VQ is at the end of the run but it is still very competitive in power and performance and they did improved it a lot at high rev compared to the G37...interior quality is definitely better...the Q50 is currently the faststest NA sport sedan in its segment, just behind the 335i....where is the TLX???