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If Acura had actually ever built the red car IMHO they would have sold more cars. The prototype was a nicely balanced design that the production car did not follow through with.
Thing about comparing the Camry to the TLX is the Camry actually competes against the Accord. They both max out at about the same price. Interesting thing on both cars silhouettes is the both use BMW's Hofmeister Kink in the rear side windows its showing up on more & more cars..
qnd they need to top screwing with silver. Seems like 4G and 5G there was no real silver initially. While I am more accepting of the Forged Siler in my 5G over the Palladium Metallic in the 4G I still am not thrilled. What I will say is owning the TLX and having to suck it up for 35 month lease will have me so done with Acura I can't see me every coming back as I likely have only 2 maybe 3 cars left.
If Acura had actually ever built the red car IMHO they would have sold more cars. The prototype was a nicely balanced design that the production car did not follow through with.
Thing about comparing the Camry to the TLX is the Camry actually competes against the Accord. They both max out at about the same price. Interesting thing on both cars silhouettes is the both use BMW's Hofmeister Kink in the rear side windows its showing up on more & more cars..
It is exactly the damn same body, except for front spoiler. Probably that these wheels couldn't be installed on the production car as the offset is not as aggressive as on the show car.
Front fascia, mirrors, side skirts, rear fascia, wheels & Red paint. Its the little things that separate an excellent design from a mediocre one.
After seeing the prototype there were many WTF's here when the production car was unveiled. To be fair some of the true fans said the the real car never meets the prototype. They were also OK with the "thrill" race car imagery for what is by current standards a slow car with poor tires.
There is nothing so radical in the prototype that if they did not want to offer it as the standard car they could have used in on the V6 SHAWD. Most of he other manufactures provide individual fascia & side treatments for upscale or performance versions. Right now I have these on 2 coupes & 1 convertible. One of the coupes was under $30K brand new.
Think the MAZDA also has custom front & rear fascia's. It definitely has better wheels & tires than the lower priced versions.
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 01-11-2017 at 09:47 PM.
I thought that to be the case. Me I like how an integrated design adds interest to what other wise are three boxes tacked to gather; A good design also projects what type of vehicle it is. The red one was designed around the mid 1950's. Openings for water, oil cooling & brake cooling. The black is a late model design, openings for water, oil, boosted cooling. Both are functional & pleasant to the eye & suggest powerful automobiles. Other styling treatments will suggest luxury or light sportiness & so on.
Form & function melding into a easily identified look. I think the prototype had a grown up sporty look, while the production car is relatively bland & mute
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 01-11-2017 at 11:30 PM.
Beautiful cars btw. Always nice to see someone else who actually gets the importance of the small details making a huge difference when it comes to design.
I thought that to be the case. Me I like how an integrated design adds interest to what other wise are three boxes tacked to gather; A good design also projects what type of vehicle it is. The red one was designed around the mid 1950's. Openings for water, oil cooling & brake cooling. The black is a late model design, openings for water, oil, boosted cooling. Both are functional & pleasant to the eye & suggest powerful automobiles.
Well I'll agree that the red one shows character, I wouldn't call it "pleasant to the eye" this glandular horror.
Beautiful cars btw. Always nice to see someone else who actually gets the importance of the small details making a huge difference when it comes to design.
Nah, the responses he posts say more than he might intend.
I really dig that Fathom Blue. If I get another, I am getting that color. Totally agree on the stance -- the 17s w/ high sidewall tires make it look less imposing, for sure. The tradeoff is a pretty quiet and smooth ride, I guess.
I really dig that Fathom Blue. If I get another, I am getting that color. Totally agree on the stance -- the 17s w/ high sidewall tires make it look less imposing, for sure. The tradeoff is a pretty quiet and smooth ride, I guess.
Yeah it looks much better than the ugly kit car. With the right wheels and possibly a drop in suspension, you can have a looker.
If I was to keep my car long time (out of lease) I would "black" that beak.
Yeah it looks much better than the ugly kit car. With the right wheels and possibly a drop in suspension, you can have a looker.
If I was to keep my car long time (out of lease) I would "black" that beak.
That TLX looks great, (a bit lower than my tastes). I think the point is Acura should be doing some of this right off the bat without requiring you to spend several thousand dollars more after purchase to make it match the way they market the vehicle in the first place...a performance oriented sports luxury sedan.
Their final product execution still doesnt match their marketing and product messaging. That's where the gap is.
And the GT stuff is at best a laughable attempt at them re-packaging the same cheap "Autozone" tack on parts that were already available, which just continues to make them look out of touch with what this type of market segment demands from luxury class vehicles. It's these types of "blunders" that just make it tough to keep voting for them with our wallets. It doesn't speak well to their product decisions and sets a bad example for their ability to show they understand the market they are in.
If you're going to market a sports sedan, then provide real design details (and options) that make it look like a sports sedan, not a daily family economy sedan.
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Interesting comments on the car but also on the whole industry when it comes to new car development. Some of the cars developed under Bob management were GTO, CTS, BMW 3, Dodge Viper, FORD Explorer
That TLX looks great, (a bit lower than my tastes). I think the point is Acura should be doing some of this right off the bat without requiring you to spend several thousand dollars more after purchase to make it match the way they market the vehicle in the first place...a performance oriented sports luxury sedan.
Their final product execution still doesnt match their marketing and product messaging. That's where the gap is.
In all fairness I had to customize heavily my rather dull-looking last 3-series before I was satisfied with its look. Same as above; suspension drop and larger & bolder wheels did the trick. I agree I wouldn't do it as aggressively, the car could be 3/4" high and still look good. I don't see why anyone not satisfied with his TLX wouldn't do it with the following conditions.
1.IMO, you have to own the car and want to keep it a longer period of time, just to absorb the mod costs (probably 3.5-4K, no resale recoup).
2. No significant snow - with blocks of ice I damaged the plastic covers under the car. $521 to fix. Areas with snow come with a lot of potholes, no compatible with a lowered suspension.
3. I would not exceed 19". to keep a decent ride, you need at least the equivalent of 225/45 tire height or 100mm, My first two sets of 225/40 has a terrible ride on my E90... I cheated at 225/45 (like the current F30) and it was a revelation. The TLX V6 comes stock with 225/50/18... can take 225/45/19 without affecting comfort.
In all fairness I had to customize heavily my rather dull-looking last 3-series before I was satisfied with its look.
Fair enough, but the difference is...with BMW (and the other luxury brands) you don't have to go 3rd party to get it done right. They all offer excellent and well designed options (including variants) to make any of their sedans transform into a sexy sports luxury sedan, and still retain the essence and spirit of the original design, without looking like cheap 3rd party after-market add-on's.
The after-market options for Acura are soo wide and dispersed, that it's hard to find stuff that looks OEM but still transforms the car properly without looking overdone or overly exaggerated.
Interesting comments on the car but also on the whole industry when it comes to new car development. Some of the cars developed under Bob management were GTO, CTS, BMW 3, Dodge Viper, FORD Explorer
I F'n love this guy. He soo understands the element of design and the importance of detail, down to the smallest things, that make a huge impact in perception and visual impact of a product.
I F'n love this guy. He soo understands the element of design and the importance of detail, down to the smallest things, that make a huge impact in perception and visual impact of a product.
Love it.
He was under pressure... it LOOKS good. We don't know more. And Lutz think, as I do, that Tesla is a lame duck, a future Nortel Networks.
Well the 3-series dropped even more.... does it make it a bad car?
The 3 Series Sold 4032 just one of many sedans BMW sells. You could combine the ILX, TLX AND RLX and it still wouldn't be enough to compete with just the 3 series sales. The 3 series sold about +23% more in jan 2017 than in jan 2016 while the TLX -15%. So we have BMW again increasing 3 series sales over the previous year and Acura continuing their TLX sales downward spiral. So to answer your question, I'm not sure if it makes the TLX a bad car, just one with a decreasing audience and most likely decreasing profit for Acura.
I think their sales figures did - all just objective measurements. If I were to go on about the outdated navigation, the ugly front end, lack of engine options, the upholstery etc - then yes, I might make it sound like a bad car.
Well the 3-series dropped even more.... does it make it a bad car?
It did? Must be one of them alternative facts because according to http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswir.../02/01/NY02419 , not only did 3 series sales go up but so did overall BMW sales (Jan. 2016 vs Jan. 2017), meanwhile TLX sales are down as are overall Acura sales.
Jan. 2016 vs Jan 2017
BMW 3 series : 3,287 vs 4,032 . . . . an increase of 22.67%
Acura TLX : 2,239 vs 1,903 . . . . a decrease of 15.01%
BMW overall : 18,082 vs 18,109 . . . . an increase of 0.15%
Acura overall : 10,250 vs 9,202 . . . . a decrease of 10.2%
It did? Must be one of them alternative facts because according to http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswir.../02/01/NY02419 , not only did 3 series sales go up but so did overall BMW sales (Jan. 2016 vs Jan. 2017), meanwhile TLX sales are down as are overall Acura sales.
Jan. 2016 vs Jan 2017
BMW 3 series : 3,287 vs 4,032 . . . . an increase of 22.67%
Acura TLX : 2,239 vs 1,903 . . . . a decrease of 15.01%
BMW overall : 18,082 vs 18,109 . . . . an increase of 0.15%
Acura overall : 10,250 vs 9,202 . . . . a decrease of 10.2%
Didn't care? Why bring up 3 series sales then? You cared and were acting all smug when you thought (wrongly) that 3 series sales fell more than TLX sales. But when you were proven wrong, you now say you don't care.
Don't worry guys. I have full confidence in Marek further decreasing Acura's sales. How the hell is this guy still employed???? Honda has lost millions if not hundreds of millions from his poor designs.
Would buy my 2016 TLX again. That is the correct sub-forum, right?
What are you trying to prove here (BS style) ?
The TLX is now a has-been, as is Acura. Both overall sales just keep on falling. Then you say BMW is doing worse, when they really are not. Who's BS-ing now? You should maybe head to BMW's forum then.
I was gonna say that it's normal 3 series sales fell since it's outdated compared to the A4 and it's about to get a refresh. Even though the TLX has a better price point, it still keeps on going downhill. Not to mention the train wreck that is the ILX... Who cares if you would buy it again, seems many customers are choosing other models now a days. Maybe for good reasons, others care and are opening their eyes.
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Infiniti beats Acura in overall sale and if they continue this way, Infiniti will have a great year and surpass Acura's sales
It's really sad actually....Acura's sales were always higher than Infiniti in NA and now Acura's bread and butter the TLX is dying...less than 2K units
I think their sales figures did - all just objective measurements. If I were to go on about the outdated navigation, the ugly front end, lack of engine options, the upholstery etc - then yes, I might make it sound like a bad car.
Even the 4 series which starts $10,000 higher outsold the TLX. Not bad considering the mid cycle upgrade for the 4 series will start selling this summer as a 2018. A glass cockpit, not as extensive as Audi's but a lot nicer than the HONDA future demo, is one of the new features.
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 02-01-2017 at 09:21 PM.
I would still buy my beloved-TLX again. I really enjoy this car after a few Audis/BMWs.
WTF are you doing here again? You totally sound like a broken disk
Morning sunshine, this is Acurazine. People express the good and the bad. If you can only process the good and ignore the truth (fellow members proved you lie), well I really don't care what you think.
Last edited by pyrodan007; 02-01-2017 at 09:30 PM.
Don't worry guys. I have full confidence in Marek further decreasing Acura's sales. How the hell is this guy still employed???? Honda has lost millions if not hundreds of millions from his poor designs.
He's got to know where the bodies are buried at Acura and is holding that over someone to keep his job either that or he's got a union job.
I don't see why the sales numbers for Acura are necessarily a bad thing. Even though it's a down market right now, they can assess what is working, what's not, and what they want to do in the future to change for the better. It is pretty evident that the focus on environment and gas mileage vs. performance has alienated part of the customer base. Value is really the only major marketing point for them at this moment, with the TLX coming in at $5k - $10k under its competition.
I just hope that Acura has a good check and balances system; that they don't live in a bubble in Torrance, believing that everything they design is gold. I think Ikeda will get it back on track by 2020.
I don't see why the sales numbers for Acura are necessarily a bad thing. Even though it's a down market right now, they can assess what is working, what's not, and what they want to do in the future to change for the better. It is pretty evident that the focus on environment and gas mileage vs. performance has alienated part of the customer base. Value is really the only major marketing point for them at this moment, with the TLX coming in at $5k - $10k under its competition.
I just hope that Acura has a good check and balances system; that they don't live in a bubble in Torrance, believing that everything they design is gold. I think Ikeda will get it back on track by 2020.
the problem is; they had TONS of chances to fix.
it's almost been 10 years, since the quality of acura has gone down.
they had TONS of opportunity to fix.
but they didnt
they do live in a bubble.....
there has been opportunity after opportunity to make things right... BUT we are still in the same boat we are in 10 years ago
01-11-2017, 06:50 PM
Why bring up 3 series sales then? You cared and were acting all smug when you thought (wrongly) that 3 series sales fell more than TLX sales. But when you were proven wrong, you now say you don't care. 
