HondaGuy347

Daddy like. 35hp and 80 more torks than the TLX V6 SH-AWD. And supposedly about $5k less before options (and discounts; it is a Ford).

Let's have a Type S or whatever sport TLX model with some more power and decent brakes, Acura, or I'm buying American next time out.

JS + XES

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Ford doesn't have any time to waste on Acura. And Acura doesn't seem to have time to waste on their consumers.

Just go buy this car over TLX already.

HondaGuy347

I'm probably 2-3 years out from my next car, I'll see what Acura does for a MMC first. But if the Ford beats the snot out of it for $5k+ less...

kurtatx

Yeah, this is in the wrong board.

1StGenCL

I have a fusion as a company car, while it isn't the sport, get the TLX.

gatrhumpy

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How cars can the Fusion crush? 3-4?

juniorbean

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Have to admit, cross-shopping Ford and Acura never crossed my mind.

When the time comes, test drive each and make a decision...

ggesq

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Shouldn't Honda (Accord) and Toyota (Camry) be on notice as these are the cars that compete with the Fusion? Not saying that Acura doesn't need vast improvements because they do....

myron

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I quiet like the new fusion, I think it's a great little car even with a 2.0T in it. This V6TT will just make it a beast now.

HondaGuy347

You don't think a person interested in a 290hp SH-AWD TLX might notice a 325hp AWD Fusion Sport and take interest? We're talking about a $5k difference here.

Hell, I had a 2014 Fusion rental for a few days, and I was amazed at how much stuff it had that my 2011 TSX didn't. Like a full-color MID versus the crappy monochrome one in the TSX.

ggesq

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Personally, no. Would someone else? Sure.

I too, have had a Fusion ( I think it was Platinum) for a week and was amazed at how much tech was in that thing but at 1400 miles it had various issues which ultimately led me to returning it to Enterprise. The result of which left a bad taste in my mouth

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say folks cross shopping cars in that class will take notice of the sport variant offered from Ford that isn't offered by Honda or Toyota as opposed to the consumer shopping in the near luxury/luxury segment.

HondaGuy347

Personally, I think a lot of people shopping a SH-AWD Acura are likely to be a little bit more enthusiast than most shoppers, and will be more aware of interesting alternatives, and not hung up on Acura being a pseudo-premium brand versus Ford not being one. I could be wrong.

I bet Ford sells far more vehicles over $40k than Acura though

HondaGuy347

I created it here because we can discuss comparisons of cars (you know, since it's "Car Talk.")

If I created it on the TLX board I'd just be some dick saying "nah nah this car is more powerful than your!"

nist7

I think you're right in saying there will likely cross-shopping when say an Acura guy learns about this new Fusion Sport and it will DEFINITELY pique his interest. I mean its AWD with a TT V6 and more hp/torque.

Of course there's lot more to a car than just HP and Torque and on its 5k cheaper....but I do feel like Ford is definitely aiming to take away some market share and get people who were looking at entry level luxury cars to look at the Fusion....a model like this will also try to compete interrior/tech wise. Ford CEO was just on NPR yesterday talking about how he wanted the Ford to be not only a car company but a tech/information/transportation company too...

Will need to see about test drive and need to compare the AWD....sure it may be more powerful than a TLX but if the AWD is a clunky POS it wont matter...

2012wagon

Most tlx owners demographic (aside from this forum, out in real world) don't care about HP and also wouldn't be caught dead in a ford

I love the fusion sport. The fusion body now offers 5 engine choices! They should have called it the Fusion ST! Reminds me l the first gen Yamaha sho

1StGenCL

Bingo. I think most people shopping in this segment would much rather tell the Valet or front desk at a condo, Yea, it's the Acura instead of saying Ford. Shallow, sure but welcome to 'Merica.

Not saying the Fusion is bad and my wife loves her Edge but...

cjTL

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Regarding cross shopping the TLX and Fusion Sport...I will likely be interested in looking at both when my Fusion Titanium lease is up this fall. My Fusion (with the 2.0 EcoBoost) has been a great car and truly is more fun to drive than my 3G TL . I have a feeling I'll be in a Fusion Sport after this, but I do think the TLX SH-AWD is a great car worth considering.

00TL-P3.2

Not bad, put me in the boat that they should have gone with Fusion ST over Fusion Sport.

RPhilMan1

Pretty sweet! Would be even better if they did go the Fusion ST route, but to be true to the name it would have to be manual transmission only. So it makes sense to market it as Fusion Sport.

00TL-P3.2

True, a 6MT Fusion ST would be pretty awesome.
Or go Fusion RS, since it's AWD

juniorbean

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Not many Acura enthusiasts left out there. This pretty much nails it:
And that's exactly it. If someone is shopping Acura, they're likely cross-shopping Infiniti, Lexus, and possibly Audi, MB, and BMW. Very very few would consider walking into a Ford dealership since most of those buyers are more concerned with the badge on the hood versus the dollar to HP ratio...

TacoBello

I'd cross shop the TLX and Fusion. The TLX ISN'T a luxury car. It's a bit more spruced up over the Accord, Camry, Fusion, but it isn't that much more "luxurious".

And if I can save 5k, get more power, and with 2 turbos, likely only a tune away from hitting 400hp, still have 4 doors and a bunch of various tech/features, why wouldn't I?

What's the TLX have? Jewel headlights, AWD, and slightly softer leather?

2012wagon

Agree with your agreement of me

Two of my wife's friends asked her if we were having money trouble since she went from Lexus to subaru

Average tlx driver isn't buying a fusion

cjTL

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Precisely this. If I want a luxury car, I'll get a Benz or a BMW.

2012wagon

Tlx owners think they are driving a luxury car and ford doesn't make a luxury car

See the tlx forum and you can see the uppity nature

And imagine how the non forum tlx owners are (sadly I know a couple)

Saintor

The TLX is the luxury version of the Accord. Fit & finish is no different to what you see in base versions of 5-series, CTS or E-Class.

Of course.

2012wagon

My mom has a new E class

I have driven two tlx over 2800 miles

Interior fit and finish is no where close . Tlx dash and doors have lots of hard plastic which e class does not

E class is head and shoulders above a tlx

I am not a tlx hater (my wife almost bought one last month )

Saintor

TLX plastic are all soft .... E-Class's are worse. I much prefer the interior of my TLX to the base versions of E-Class I was in. Of course, my boss $120K E63 AMG is a different story.

2012wagon

E class and tlx aren't really being cross shopped by anyone I know

That said I have been in my moms e550 and two new tlx and my opinion they aren't close

I will respectfully disagree

Saintor

You also have to agree that an E550 isn't exactly the base version that I was talking about.

2012wagon

Agreed

I haven't been in a base version of an E class. Just the one my mom has is my only source of reference

I am not a tlx hater. Here is my post about what I felt and thread about how much we liked the tlx

https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g.../#post15512324

juniorbean

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Right. WE know that the TLX is pseudo-luxury and some folks on THIS site may consider cross-shopping the TLX and the Fusion... but we are in the severe minority as evidence by our TLX section...

2012wagon

Well said sir

TacoBello

of course you PREFER the car YOU purchased.

I hate to say it, but even my wife was super dissapointed when she sat in the 2015 TLX, thinking it was no better than her 2012 Hyundai Sonata. She's like "this interior makes me think of the sonata. except with two screens and softer leather"

But yes, let's just agree that your 35k TLX is much better than any 60k E-class

Booya4139

put the coyote in the fusion and call it the fusion 500, and add MT. I'd buy one.

Saintor

Keep your little emotions down, boy.

The only thing that was discussed here is about the perception of luxury. And since your wife has in reference a Sonata 2012.... nothing more to add.

2012wagon

Never ever happening and if it did they would sell like3 of them

Just like all jalopnik kids who would buy a brown diesel mt wagon ...

atl7

The TLX interior is far superior to the Sonata's. I doubt many people think of a 2012 Sonata Limited interior when they sit in a TLX, but okay. And yeah I don't care what trim of the E-Class it is, it's nicer than the TLX on the inside.

Booya4139

my mother has an E350 convertible and its nice, definitely different feel in the interior than the acuras. The term luxury is so ambiguous now given the strides the mass market cars have made against the germans. I chuckle how a dash covered in some faux leather is some major defining status symbol of luxury. or an analog clock.

But also realize cars above a base level are all about stirring emotion. And brand cachet is a major major piece of that honed over generations.

Booya4139

I see Taurus SHO's fairly regulary... cafe requirements probably doom the idea, but they've already done the R&D, and a DOHC V8 thats as efficient as any ever built 435/400 output would be amazing not to mention the reliability over the small twin turbo engines they are using.

But on the flip side the Chevy SS basically did this and it isn't selling well given people not wanting to spend 40k on a chevy sedan.