RDX10

Yeah we get the V8 in AWD as well. I have a few hours of experience with the new genesis in awd V6 and imho it is not a drivers car. Body roll was kind of bad but not too bad, steering feel was alright, but overall I left feeling like it was a big american muscle car vs a nimble pseudo-sport car. But it was incredibly comfortable and the interior and exterior put the rlx to shame. Maybe the V8 version has different tuning, I don't know?

OP, go take a look at the Jag and some audi's, not sure if you got to test the s4 yet.

LiQiCE

Yup - MSD is 7 for BMW, from what I read MB is 10. The lease calculation I was using for $605/month was with $0 down - I don't know if they would require $3000 down?

Thanks, I just test drove a BMW today and they didn't give me a $1000 voucher - is that going on now? The residuals on the 2016 340xi and 435xi GC are amazing right now - I am leaning more towards BMW right now with the amazing residuals, plus it was a lot more fun to drive than the C450 AMG.

I haven't checked residuals on the 5-series right now, but the 340xi residual on a 2016 for 36 months is 66% ... I should probably jump on a 2016 340xi but I'm going to wait until my GS is up in 2017. Right now I'm leaning towards a 340xi or 435xi GC. Unfortunately the residuals on the 2017s are around 60% or so - have to hope a promotional residual comes up on the 2017s. I want Apple Carplay which will be available in the 2017s for $300

TacoBello

What is MSD?

LiQiCE

Multiple Security Deposits for leasing, it lowers the Money Factor (think interest rate) by 0.00007 for each security deposit you put down. Each deposit is roughly the same as 1 month's lease payment (usually rounded up to the nearest $50). The conversion from MF to interest rate is MF * 2400 = Interest rate, so right now BMW's MF is 0.00137 or 3.288% - if you pay the 7 MSDs that BMW allows, you discount the rate by 0.00049 or 1.1176% - so the interest rate goes from 3.288% to ~2.112%.

When you return your car, if there is no wear and tear on the car - all of the MSDs are returned to you. The only drawback would be is if you transferred the lease to someone else - you would lose the MSDs. I guess the other drawback would be is if you default on your payments - then they would use the MSDs to pay your bill as well.

RDX10

So I wasn't the only one thinking what in the hell is an MSD?

Thanks to the member above me for sharing and informing us what it means. I had less than zero clue.

Sarlacc

Holy shit, you actually got that moronic windbag to shut up and go away.

You win the internet for the day!

RDX10

oonowindoo

unless MB is giving huge discount on the C450,i just dont see how 605/month with 0 down even with MSD is possible since its RV is less than 60% for 36 months/10k. If you can get that price,i would say that is pretty aggressive from MB...
I just did some research on the date for the UDE (ultimate driving event), it seems this year there will not be a national event like previous year but there are regional events, check the link below and enter your zip code and give the dealerships a call. Not all dealers are participating BTW. But you should get 1000 off and the voucher should be valid for 3 months.
https://www.bmwusa.com/secured/conte...testdrive.aspx

Saintor

Attention-whore making noise again.

Saintor

I can see a 435i is in your future...

oonowindoo

welcome to the family :grouphug:

LiQiCE

LOL - I am tempted to test drive a 535xi now though since I saw on a BMW forum that people have gotten reasonably equipped models for like $506/month (MSRP of $67k!) using MSDs and he had a $1000 drive event credit that oonowindoo mentioned - but no money down (ie. cap cost reduction). Like you've said it probably isn't fun to drive - and I'll probably kick myself when the new 5-series comes out soon - but it is crazy to think I can lease a 2016 535xi for less than a 340xi!

Saintor

Bear in mind that the F3X (F8X excluded) isn't that fun-to-drive either. I would certainly go for the 535.

oonowindoo

^ i would have agreed with you if you said it is not as fun to drive as the previous BMW. But they are still the benchmark, especially if we are talking about the overall performance.

oonowindoo

just make sure that you take a LOOOOONG test drive before you sign the paper and make sure you can live with it for the next 3 years.

I know i could not wait to ditch that car after having it for 3 days as loaner (not a base model, a RWD M sport with actual m sport suspension).

TacoBello

dude, you are SO wrong. The TLX is the benchmark. As well as the alpha and the omega.

oonowindoo

well yah... if you bring TLX in, then we are talking about a whole different level of performance including the ability to travel time and superiority in every imaginable and unimaginable category including the superior bhp.

Saintor

In short, the opposite of your tiny brain.

TacoBello

That doesn't make a lick of sense

keep trying, saintor! Remember: underwear first, then pants! You'll get it, good buddy!

maharajamd

iTrader: (1)

A 48 year old that's been a member here since 2001 acts like that...

Surely there are like Buick forums for you to go post on, no?

oonowindoo

sorry i don't get it with my tiny brain. But since you are blessed with such a big brain, enlighten us please.

Saintor

Well 15 years soon. Thank you. THANK YOU!

Bear in mind that I didn't do anything in this thread to start anything, wouldn't it be for a few JERKS testing me. *So be it*.

RDX10

Tacobello: 3 Saintor: 0

TacoBello

And *I'm* the stupid one

1StGenCL

Sorry, for some reason I saw AMG and price went out the window

LiQiCE

So I'm about to order a 2017 340i xDrive (wanted to get it with particular options and CarPlay is available in the 2017s). I thought about going for the 440i xDrive but it is a good bit more expensive than the 340 and I read the suspension / steering updates that made it into the 340 LCI (Refresh) won't make it into the 4 series until the 2018 models.

Found a great dealer in Maryland that gave me a quote via email for $1000 under invoice without even negotiating, just asked him to send me a price for the car and certain options broken out - and he sent me the order sheet from his internal system with the Wholesale prices - which match invoice pricing dollar for dollar.

Waiting to get all of the paperwork and get everything signed - but car should be here in October when the lease is up on my Lexus. Can't wait!

Will post pics when I get the car - thanks everyone for the advice / help

00TL-P3.2

Saw a new 340i (non x-drive) outside a restaurant last night (local dealer has a few cars parked around for displays) in Estoril Blue Looked great!

oonowindoo

So they gave you the quote for $1000 below invoice without negotiation and you took it?
I am sure you have done this, but just in case, go to F30post and see what others are paying in the month of June/July/August. If you can save $500, that is 500 more in your pocket.

Just for reference i got $6k off MSRP exactly 1 year ago on an F36

LiQiCE

I've gone to Bimmerfest: BMW Forum, BMW News, BMW Research, BMW European Delivery, 335, M3 ask a Dealer and so far they have all said $1000 under invoice was a good price. The sheet he sent me exactly reflects invoice pricing of a 340i xDrive MSRP minus 7% for the car and 8% for options ( Using this post to calculate invoice: Calculating BMW invoice pricing for MY 2017 models - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums )

There is a larger dealer holdback which is $3141 (5% of MSRP), so technically there is an additional $2141 on the table - but I'm not sure how that is really used, should I be fighting for the remaining $2141 of the holdback? I assumed holdback was normally reserved to help things like pay for the dealership to keep the lights on and stuff.

I'll also check f30post - thanks!

oonowindoo

In my experience, F30post has more traffic. There is also sponsored dealerships on the forum who can provide you quotes via PM and their quote is usually very competitive since well they are on the forum and they actually actively participate in the pricing thread.

If someone were to offer me $1000 below invoice without negotiation, my immediate response is this is just an average price. I had worked for dealerships and most of my friends are all still working for different brand from BMW to Acura. No one, i mean No one gives you their best price in their first communication.

They have a gross margin to hold if they can because they can hit a much bigger bonus than doing mini deals (the type of deals you want as a buyer).

Keep digging.

PM me your full quote (MSRP, Selling price, monthly payment and etc...) i can actually verify it for you with my friend here at BMW.

and you don't have to go through the hassle of calculating invoice prices. They are all listed on Edmund and True car. Unless you are buying an i8, otherwise invoice prices mean nothing, other than a marketing tool to sell the car.

LiQiCE

PM sent, thanks!

Costco

also, congrats! The B58 in the 340i is pretty scary if you are tempted to tune it. Somehow BMW improved on the N55 in such a short time.

saturno_v

To the OP

Please test drive the Q50 Red Sport 400.....it is a really nice ride, instantaneous torque and more refined and quicker infotainment system than before, what I like about it is that it sits in between the 3 Series and the 5 Series size wise....just right, interiors feels definitely more luxurious compared to the 3 Series.
BMW is offering crazy leasing deals lately, especially on 5 Series.
The CTS V-Sport is absolutely fantastic, test one, you will be in awe.
Is leasing and AWD an absolute requirements?? You could get a nice used Subaru Outback for snowy days (and as always useful "throw stuff int here" third car) and buy a Charger SRT 392...fully loaded MSRP is less than a fully loaded 340i (and you can get heavy discount bargaininng hard), performance , sound and presence is just phenomenal and the ride is quite refined...you live only once LOL

To Azuser and Saintor please stop mentioning the TLX....it does not even belong in the same sentence as the rides the OP is interested in...

LiQiCE

So undecided - because it seems like I can get a lightly optioned 2016 M3 for about the same monthly payment as the 2017 340i xDrive, which would be better than most of the cars I'm considering I think?

Trying to negotiate with a local dealer now that has a 2016 M3 with the Executive Package, 7 speed Dual Clutch, 19" black rims - if they sold it to me @ invoice price (which maybe they can even go below that) and gave me the national residual + MF, the lease rate would be ~$700/month which is cheaper than the 2017 340i xDrive I configured ... even with dropping a bunch of options on the 340i xDrive it wouldn't get down to $700 that easily because the residual is so much lower (60% versus 66%)

AZuser

Saintor

Never suggested it. Your reading skills suck.

LiQiCE

Been awhile, but I finally took delivery of my 340i xDrive!

Only drove the car for a little bit today - I think I'm going to need to switch out the run flats though - they suck. Might get another set of rims and throw some decent rubber on there.

I ordered it with the M Performance Power and Sound Kit (MPPSK) which is basically a tune and a catback exhaust from BMW. Car sounds amazing in sport mode - but it is not that loud in comfort mode. A guy on one of the BMW forums just did a before and after dyno of his car with the MPPSK and put down 368 whp / 370 lb-ft (He put down 331 whp / 325 lb-ft stock). I guess BMW is underrating these engines since it is supposed to make 320 hp / 330 lb-ft at the crank (couple of people have dyno'd the car stock and got around 330whp).



Thanks everyone for your help!

Joneill44

Hands down my favorite color. From your last post it looked like you were leaning M3, what made you choose the 340i?

LiQiCE

So from my calculations - I figured out if I paid invoice and got the national BMW Lease rates on an M3 - I could get it for around $700-750/month on a 10K/36mo lease.

Problem is - most dealers will not sell an 'M' car at invoice price - I tried chasing down a few 2016 M3's and couldn't find anyone close by willing to deal on one.

The other thing that changed is September/October lease rates on the 2017 340i xDrive got much better and I was able to qualify for the Corporate Fleet program. So my lease payments dropped by about $100/month because of that (from ~$700 a month to about ~$600 a month). So factoring all that in - I ended up with the 340

From some of the different things I've read - I think the 340 might be a better fit for a daily driver, especially with the xDrive - while the M3 is better suited as a track car. Not sure - maybe next time I'll consider an M3

Chief F1 Fan

I'd wait till December when BMW is trying to get rid of cars sitting on lots around the country. I bought a '10 335xi 6 speed fully loaded except nav and saved nearly 5K off sticker. I asked for black on tan and got gray on black but other than that, the car came with more options than I originally asked for. You tell dealer what you want and they search other dealers' inventories. Mine came from a NH dealer with a minimal wait.