something about the Acura RL
05-23-2006, 01:11 AM
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something about the Acura RL
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I would like to spend some words about the fall of selling of the Acura RL.
If we look at the situations of the more strong cars brands on the market, we can see that each brand has similar positions in the model line:
Audi A4, BMW3, Mercedes C, Lexus IS, Infinity G35, exe.
Audi A6, BMW5, Mercedes E, Lexus GS, Infinity M35, exe.
Audi A8, BMW7, Mercedes S, Lexus LS…
And the Acura?
The situation for the Acura is something different…
The Acura TSX is the entry sedan for Acura, but is not like an A4 or a BMW3, is more like the A3 and the BMW1 if we consider engine and optionals…
The Acura TL is always considered a concurrent of the BMW3, Audi A4 and Infinity G35.
But if we well consider the characteristics of this car we understand that she is something more than a BMW3, for example. She looks bigger, stronger and faster… In which category we can include such car? It’s more than a Audi A4 or an IS, but is less than a GS or an A6…
The TL is a model more like a sedan Audi “A5” or BMW “4” if they existed.
Nobody can deny in fact that from 3 years by on, there is NOT only one car for such a cheap price good as the TL. It’s amazingly cheap.
That’s the reason why the TL for two years on the row, together with the little sister TSX, is the best selling Acura on the market, and the best selling entry luxury sedan in USA…
And the RL?
Nobody denies that the new RL has a very solid stance, many optionals, a wonderful 3.5 engine and an all new SH-awd… and?
Well, sorry but for 52.000$, if we consider the Technological package, we have, for example, a Lexus GS 430 V8, at 53.500 we get an Audi A6 4.2 V8, at 47.000$ an Infinti M45…
V8, V8 and V8!! Only the BMW5 is more expensive than the RL.
Than, we understand that the problem for the RL is the price collocation on the market: she is too expensive for a V6, even considering the good that she has.
And she has, really.
But the simple question that people has, is: Why I have to spend 50.000$ for a V6 290 h.p?
Why such a big difference in price between two cars as the TL and the RL, that doesn’t belong as the IS and GS or the BMW3 and the BMW5 to two really different model categories?
I mean, the TL looks “more than” and the RL “less than”, and the difference between a 3.5 and a 3.2, is not the same as an IS350 and a GS450!
The only big difference between RL and TL is the SH-awd. Ok, it’s a great thing, and the electronic brake too, and the technological package… But everything else is the same: navi, electronical package, bi-xenon, climate control, sun-roof, and a stereo system ELS on the TL that is better than the Bose on the RL!!
The difference in price is: 49.000 – 33.500= 16.000$.
It’s crazy.
Look at the difference between the others models brands:
Audi A4 2.0 and Audi A6 3.2:
BMW3 3i and the BMW5 3i:
Lexus IS 250 and Lexus GS300:
Lexus, for example offer an AWD GS 300 at 45.000$. Yes, it’s 45 h.p. less, but for 5.000$ more I get a V8. And it’s the cost of the RL.
Between these two cars, RL and TL, there is the bigger difference in price, but they are more near in category that for the other brands…
When you look in the street an Audi A4 or A6, a Bmw3 or 5, you understand very well which is bigger and more expensive.
When you look at the TL and RL, yes, maybe you feel that the RL is something more, but you’ll choose the TL for the fantastic look and for the fantastic price you can get her for.
I’m sure that even if the TL would cost 38.000$ base MSRP I would buy it, because she is worthy of; the RL has too much good competitors for such an high price.
The cost of the RL has to be 44-45.000$ at least, nothing more.
You don’t feel the difference in cost of 16.000$ between TL and RL, but of 9-10.000$ maybe you would.
For Acura-Honda, the biggest problem at the moment is the loss of a real powerful V8, that belongs to the price categories over 50.000$... The right engine for the RL.
The first Honda V8 is expected somewhere in 2008 or 2009… I fear it will be too late for the RL, if Acura doesn’t find out a better base MSRP cost for the 2007.
I would like to spend some words about the fall of selling of the Acura RL.
If we look at the situations of the more strong cars brands on the market, we can see that each brand has similar positions in the model line:
Audi A4, BMW3, Mercedes C, Lexus IS, Infinity G35, exe.
Audi A6, BMW5, Mercedes E, Lexus GS, Infinity M35, exe.
Audi A8, BMW7, Mercedes S, Lexus LS…
And the Acura?
The situation for the Acura is something different…
The Acura TSX is the entry sedan for Acura, but is not like an A4 or a BMW3, is more like the A3 and the BMW1 if we consider engine and optionals…
The Acura TL is always considered a concurrent of the BMW3, Audi A4 and Infinity G35.
But if we well consider the characteristics of this car we understand that she is something more than a BMW3, for example. She looks bigger, stronger and faster… In which category we can include such car? It’s more than a Audi A4 or an IS, but is less than a GS or an A6…
The TL is a model more like a sedan Audi “A5” or BMW “4” if they existed.
Nobody can deny in fact that from 3 years by on, there is NOT only one car for such a cheap price good as the TL. It’s amazingly cheap.
That’s the reason why the TL for two years on the row, together with the little sister TSX, is the best selling Acura on the market, and the best selling entry luxury sedan in USA…
And the RL?
Nobody denies that the new RL has a very solid stance, many optionals, a wonderful 3.5 engine and an all new SH-awd… and?
Well, sorry but for 52.000$, if we consider the Technological package, we have, for example, a Lexus GS 430 V8, at 53.500 we get an Audi A6 4.2 V8, at 47.000$ an Infinti M45…
V8, V8 and V8!! Only the BMW5 is more expensive than the RL.
Than, we understand that the problem for the RL is the price collocation on the market: she is too expensive for a V6, even considering the good that she has.
And she has, really.
But the simple question that people has, is: Why I have to spend 50.000$ for a V6 290 h.p?
Why such a big difference in price between two cars as the TL and the RL, that doesn’t belong as the IS and GS or the BMW3 and the BMW5 to two really different model categories?
I mean, the TL looks “more than” and the RL “less than”, and the difference between a 3.5 and a 3.2, is not the same as an IS350 and a GS450!
The only big difference between RL and TL is the SH-awd. Ok, it’s a great thing, and the electronic brake too, and the technological package… But everything else is the same: navi, electronical package, bi-xenon, climate control, sun-roof, and a stereo system ELS on the TL that is better than the Bose on the RL!!
The difference in price is: 49.000 – 33.500= 16.000$.
It’s crazy.
Look at the difference between the others models brands:
Audi A4 2.0 and Audi A6 3.2:
BMW3 3i and the BMW5 3i:
Lexus IS 250 and Lexus GS300:
Lexus, for example offer an AWD GS 300 at 45.000$. Yes, it’s 45 h.p. less, but for 5.000$ more I get a V8. And it’s the cost of the RL.
Between these two cars, RL and TL, there is the bigger difference in price, but they are more near in category that for the other brands…
When you look in the street an Audi A4 or A6, a Bmw3 or 5, you understand very well which is bigger and more expensive.
When you look at the TL and RL, yes, maybe you feel that the RL is something more, but you’ll choose the TL for the fantastic look and for the fantastic price you can get her for.
I’m sure that even if the TL would cost 38.000$ base MSRP I would buy it, because she is worthy of; the RL has too much good competitors for such an high price.
The cost of the RL has to be 44-45.000$ at least, nothing more.
You don’t feel the difference in cost of 16.000$ between TL and RL, but of 9-10.000$ maybe you would.
For Acura-Honda, the biggest problem at the moment is the loss of a real powerful V8, that belongs to the price categories over 50.000$... The right engine for the RL.
The first Honda V8 is expected somewhere in 2008 or 2009… I fear it will be too late for the RL, if Acura doesn’t find out a better base MSRP cost for the 2007.
05-23-2006, 01:20 AM
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05-23-2006, 01:46 AM
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The Acura TL is always considered a concurrent of the BMW3, Audi A4 and Infinity G35.
But if we well consider the characteristics of this car we understand that she is something more than a BMW3, for example. She looks bigger, stronger and faster… In which category we can include such car? It’s more than a Audi A4 or an IS, but is less than a GS or an A6…
The TL is a model more like a sedan Audi “A5” or BMW “4” if they existed.
Nobody can deny in fact that from 3 years by on, there is NOT only one car for such a cheap price good as the TL. It’s amazingly cheap.
That’s the reason why the TL for two years on the row, together with the little sister TSX, is the best selling Acura on the market, and the best selling entry luxury sedan in USA…
But if we well consider the characteristics of this car we understand that she is something more than a BMW3, for example. She looks bigger, stronger and faster… In which category we can include such car? It’s more than a Audi A4 or an IS, but is less than a GS or an A6…
The TL is a model more like a sedan Audi “A5” or BMW “4” if they existed.
Nobody can deny in fact that from 3 years by on, there is NOT only one car for such a cheap price good as the TL. It’s amazingly cheap.
That’s the reason why the TL for two years on the row, together with the little sister TSX, is the best selling Acura on the market, and the best selling entry luxury sedan in USA…
I threw in the towel after getting this far ^^.
05-23-2006, 01:52 AM
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The RL is priced just right. I don't understand why people keep whining about how expensive the car is. Fact of the matter is that the RL is the best priced midsize luxury sedan on the market. Period. No if's and's or but's. You find a better equipped, more luxurious, better handling, more powerful, more technologically advanced midsizer that is priced less than an RL and I'll eat all of my words...but you won't find a better value. Try equipping a GS430, M45, E550, A6 4.2, or 545i similarly to an RL and tell me which vehicle is priced the lowest. Each of the V8 midsizers will set you back at least $60k, with the Germans running close to $70k+.
Better yet, compare an RL to a similarly equipped GS300 AWD, M35x, E350 4matic, 530xi, or A6 3.2 and then tell me if it is overpriced. Go price out any of those vehicles on their manufacturer's websites and tell me how the RL sits. The RL is right on the mark. And to top it off, it has class leading horsepower and the most technologically advanced AWD system, to boot. Throw in the sumptuous interior, gadgets and gizmos to keep you busy with manuals for months, and a sporty ride, and you have one incredible car.
As for spending $50k on a V6 midsizer...better get used to it. $50k is pretty much as low as you're going to be able to get any midsize luxury car for.
And if the RL can't stack up to its competition, why is it that review after review has placed the RL in the top two positions? Why did Car and Driver give it 10 best for luxury sedans in 2005? Why all the praise? Why all the accolades?
The same thing can be said for when comparing any of the other entry-level cars with their midsize counterparts. How do 5-series owners justify the price over a 3-series? Why do A6 owners jump up from the A4? The price differences are quite large, and the size difference is not too drastic. Go check out the interior dimensions and compare the RL with its competition. Again, it's right in the game.
The price difference can be accounted for not only in the added features and technology, but also in the attention to detail. The RL has all the little details that make it worth its added price. The leather is softer than the TL's. The wood is real. The doors have a more substantial feel. The paint has a richer, deeper look to it. Each and every material feels just right and every button is perfectly dampened. The sunshades and remote-retractable rear headrestraints are just a couple more examples of the attention to detail this car has received. The car just feels substantial. The drive is another good indicator of this (have you even driven the RL?)
If you can't justify the added price, don't buy it. The thing right now is that the RL is the best kept secret in the midsize luxury sedan market. People just don't know about it. I believe Acura's marketing and advertising team are to blame for the slow sales...the product has what it takes to be successful.
Originally Posted by krio
And the RL?
Nobody denies that the new RL has a very solid stance, many optionals, a wonderful 3.5 engine and an all new SH-awd… and?
Well, sorry but for 52.000$, if we consider the Technological package, we have, for example, a Lexus GS 430 V8, at 53.500 we get an Audi A6 4.2 V8, at 47.000$ an Infinti M45…
V8, V8 and V8!! Only the BMW5 is more expensive than the RL.
Nobody denies that the new RL has a very solid stance, many optionals, a wonderful 3.5 engine and an all new SH-awd… and?
Well, sorry but for 52.000$, if we consider the Technological package, we have, for example, a Lexus GS 430 V8, at 53.500 we get an Audi A6 4.2 V8, at 47.000$ an Infinti M45…
V8, V8 and V8!! Only the BMW5 is more expensive than the RL.
Originally Posted by krio
Than, we understand that the problem for the RL is the price collocation on the market: she is too expensive for a V6, even considering the good that she has.
And she has, really.
But the simple question that people has, is: Why I have to spend 50.000$ for a V6 290 h.p?
And she has, really.
But the simple question that people has, is: Why I have to spend 50.000$ for a V6 290 h.p?
As for spending $50k on a V6 midsizer...better get used to it. $50k is pretty much as low as you're going to be able to get any midsize luxury car for.
And if the RL can't stack up to its competition, why is it that review after review has placed the RL in the top two positions? Why did Car and Driver give it 10 best for luxury sedans in 2005? Why all the praise? Why all the accolades?
Originally Posted by krio
...Ok, it’s a great thing, and the electronic brake too, and the technological package… But everything else is the same: navi, electronical package, bi-xenon, climate control, sun-roof, and a stereo system ELS on the TL that is better than the Bose on the RL!!
The difference in price is: 49.000 – 33.500= 16.000$.
It’s crazy.
The difference in price is: 49.000 – 33.500= 16.000$.
It’s crazy.
The price difference can be accounted for not only in the added features and technology, but also in the attention to detail. The RL has all the little details that make it worth its added price. The leather is softer than the TL's. The wood is real. The doors have a more substantial feel. The paint has a richer, deeper look to it. Each and every material feels just right and every button is perfectly dampened. The sunshades and remote-retractable rear headrestraints are just a couple more examples of the attention to detail this car has received. The car just feels substantial. The drive is another good indicator of this (have you even driven the RL?)
If you can't justify the added price, don't buy it. The thing right now is that the RL is the best kept secret in the midsize luxury sedan market. People just don't know about it. I believe Acura's marketing and advertising team are to blame for the slow sales...the product has what it takes to be successful.
05-23-2006, 05:57 AM
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The RL never gave me the WOW factor. It doesnt show its presence when I see one. For me, its more than just the technology.. its the looks. Honeslty, it looks like an oversized accord. Im sure others feel the same way as me. Now the TL looks great! When it first came out, it caught my eye.
05-23-2006, 07:22 AM
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I've always liked the RL....but there are a few areas that need "tweaking:"
1) Offer a RWD model and an AWD model - All of Acura's competitors do this and it is very stubborn of Acura to not do the same
2) Offer the current V6 model and a new V8 model upwards of 350hp - See above
3) Market the hell out of it - Very rarely do I ever see a RL commercial while not a day goes by where I haven't seen an M, E, 5, or GS commercial.
1) Offer a RWD model and an AWD model - All of Acura's competitors do this and it is very stubborn of Acura to not do the same
2) Offer the current V6 model and a new V8 model upwards of 350hp - See above
3) Market the hell out of it - Very rarely do I ever see a RL commercial while not a day goes by where I haven't seen an M, E, 5, or GS commercial.
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05-23-2006, 07:36 AM
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I think the RL looks great but like Cob said Acura doesn't promote it. They assume when you go looking for the RL you know what you want so there is no need. The real competitor for the RL is the Infiniti M35x, I know a couple of people who specifically went out looking for the RL but bought the M35X. I think between these 2 cars the RL looks better but people go with Infiniti for the name.
05-23-2006, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by invincible569
The RL never gave me the WOW factor. For me, its more than just the technology.. its the looks. Honeslty, it looks like an oversized accord.
Precisely. Worse, interior space is on par w/ an Accord. If I buy a luxury 4 door it better be comfortable in the back for the people that are back there and this RL cannot possibly be so.
05-23-2006, 07:57 AM
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Man, my head hurts after trying to decipher what the hell you just said. Learn how to write before you make posts like this please.
Back on topic, I almost bought an RL, but could not justify the difference between my TL. The rear seat room is almost less then the TL. The styling, as mentioned before, is bland when compared to the TL, and the little technological differences were not enough to make up for it's downfalls.
Back on topic, I almost bought an RL, but could not justify the difference between my TL. The rear seat room is almost less then the TL. The styling, as mentioned before, is bland when compared to the TL, and the little technological differences were not enough to make up for it's downfalls.
05-23-2006, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ATXCLS
Man, my head hurts after trying to decipher what the hell you just said. Learn how to write before you make posts like this please.
Back on topic, I almost bought an RL, but could not justify the difference between my TL. The rear seat room is almost less then the TL. The styling, as mentioned before, is bland when compared to the TL, and the little technological differences were not enough to make up for it's downfalls.
Back on topic, I almost bought an RL, but could not justify the difference between my TL. The rear seat room is almost less then the TL. The styling, as mentioned before, is bland when compared to the TL, and the little technological differences were not enough to make up for it's downfalls.
The RL is a great car, even at its price point. But, I personally just do not find it as 'compelling' as its competitors.
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Originally Posted by ATXCLS
Back on topic, I almost bought an RL, but could not justify the difference between my TL. The rear seat room is almost less then the TL. The styling, as mentioned before, is bland when compared to the TL, and the little technological differences were not enough to make up for it's downfalls.
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who the hell is "we" he keeps referring to in the thread?
05-23-2006, 10:12 AM
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my brother has an 05 tl and i have an 05 rl.... both are sweet cars. i think the exterior of the tl looks better then the rl. but interior, the rl has got the tl beat by a long shot. the rl feels more solid also... the rl is also built overseas, wouldnt that have something to do with the pricing?? not to sure about that one 
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He says he's from Italy, hence the broken engrish.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...89#post1463189
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...89#post1463189
05-23-2006, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
He says he's from Italy, hence the broken engrish.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...89#post1463189
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...89#post1463189
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And his internet address is from the Ukraine.. 
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I guess its that time of the month for another influx of retards...
05-23-2006, 02:59 PM
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[QUOTE=SPUDMTN]Where to start...
Attention for the details... Justify a difference in cost of 17.000$ between TL and RL?
And sorry, but the RL is NOT the BMW5, and she cannot mach the market as the BMW (1 million car sold last year)... I don't mean that the RL is not a very good car, it is, but she has to get a quote of market that has brends as Lexus (the GS inside is worse than the RL?), Infiniti. Audi, BMW, Mercedes.... God! It's hard, very hard... And think about the fact that for THAT reason this year Acura is considering an entry version for the RL, a little bit cheaper...
And, however a V6 IS NOT a V8.
Explainme than why RL doesen't sell well? And why the TL and TSX are selling at the best?
Attention for the details... Justify a difference in cost of 17.000$ between TL and RL?
And sorry, but the RL is NOT the BMW5, and she cannot mach the market as the BMW (1 million car sold last year)... I don't mean that the RL is not a very good car, it is, but she has to get a quote of market that has brends as Lexus (the GS inside is worse than the RL?), Infiniti. Audi, BMW, Mercedes.... God! It's hard, very hard... And think about the fact that for THAT reason this year Acura is considering an entry version for the RL, a little bit cheaper...
And, however a V6 IS NOT a V8.
Explainme than why RL doesen't sell well? And why the TL and TSX are selling at the best?
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Originally Posted by krio
...Explainme than why RL doesen't sell well?
Originally Posted by krio
...And why the TL and TSX are selling at the best?
Acura needs to bring in the midsize-lux customer to its dealerships; this thing needs to be mareketed like crazy. I believe this is where a lot of the problem lies (along with subdued exterior styling). I think if Acura worked on the dealership experience more (more well-informed sales people, a common goal to move the brand upmarket, etc...) people would really start to see the RL for what it is. This brand needs some cachet, and until it is marketed as such, I don't think it will ever be taken too seriously.
05-24-2006, 04:23 AM
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[QUOTE=SPUDMTN]I did. Read the end of my first post. But I'll explain it again here...
I agree with you.
When I first saw an Acura in my life, the new RL, one year ago I was sure that it will be my car. I had an Audi A4 quattro, and this car looked at what I really need.
You have to consider tnat Acura hasen't official dealers in Europe: we don't know anything about this brand (the only Acura cars sold in Europe are the TSX as "Honda Accord" with 190 h.p, and the RL as "Honda Legend").
You have to order directly from USA. The RL costs something about 58-60.000 EURO, NOT dollars, and the TL about 47.000 Euro (can you imagine how much it gets in dollars?).
I was afraid about the price of the RL, considering that for such money in Italy we can buy Porsche, Audi A6 4.2 and BMW 540i...
On this summer it will be on sail in Europe the Honda Legend (Acura RL), and the cost will be somwhere in the 65-72.000$...
When I saw, after the RL, the TL I was so impressed by the look of this car, that I began reading everithing I could find in the net about it.
That's the reason why I bought, at the end, a TL 2005, for 42.000$ and not an RL.
The price and the look.
I agree with you.
When I first saw an Acura in my life, the new RL, one year ago I was sure that it will be my car. I had an Audi A4 quattro, and this car looked at what I really need.
You have to consider tnat Acura hasen't official dealers in Europe: we don't know anything about this brand (the only Acura cars sold in Europe are the TSX as "Honda Accord" with 190 h.p, and the RL as "Honda Legend").
You have to order directly from USA. The RL costs something about 58-60.000 EURO, NOT dollars, and the TL about 47.000 Euro (can you imagine how much it gets in dollars?).
I was afraid about the price of the RL, considering that for such money in Italy we can buy Porsche, Audi A6 4.2 and BMW 540i...
On this summer it will be on sail in Europe the Honda Legend (Acura RL), and the cost will be somwhere in the 65-72.000$...
When I saw, after the RL, the TL I was so impressed by the look of this car, that I began reading everithing I could find in the net about it.
That's the reason why I bought, at the end, a TL 2005, for 42.000$ and not an RL.
The price and the look.
05-24-2006, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SPUDMTN
Where to start...
The RL is priced just right. I don't understand why people keep whining about how expensive the car is. Fact of the matter is that the RL is the best priced midsize luxury sedan on the market. Period. No if's and's or but's. You find a better equipped, more luxurious, better handling, more powerful, more technologically advanced midsizer that is priced less than an RL and I'll eat all of my words...but you won't find a better value. Try equipping a GS430, M45, E550, A6 4.2, or 545i similarly to an RL and tell me which vehicle is priced the lowest. Each of the V8 midsizers will set you back at least $60k, with the Germans running close to $70k+.
The RL is priced just right. I don't understand why people keep whining about how expensive the car is. Fact of the matter is that the RL is the best priced midsize luxury sedan on the market. Period. No if's and's or but's. You find a better equipped, more luxurious, better handling, more powerful, more technologically advanced midsizer that is priced less than an RL and I'll eat all of my words...but you won't find a better value. Try equipping a GS430, M45, E550, A6 4.2, or 545i similarly to an RL and tell me which vehicle is priced the lowest. Each of the V8 midsizers will set you back at least $60k, with the Germans running close to $70k+.
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
RL is very competitively priced. I know about the RL, and have driven it. Problem is, the vast majority of luxury car buyers are not even making it into the Acura showroom, long enough to see an RL in the flesh. Instead we have people who come in wanting to buy a TL (or already have one) who start considering an RL. Check out the 2nd gen RL forums, everyone from former BMW snobs to Lexusites has traded in to get a 2G RL. The car isn't bad, but it doesn't have the aggressive, compelling edge that the TL has that pulls people into showrooms.
05-24-2006, 01:23 PM
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[QUOTE=vishnus11]
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
Don't worry dddd..uuu....mmmm.bbb...aaas...sss, vot pridurok...
Read the following lines from wikipeda.com, it's real, natural, american english, and not from an italian dddd...uuu...m...b...asss... sorry, I am a poor italian... tell me: how do you pronounce it?:
For 2006, the Acura RL was also sold with the optional 'Technology Package' including features such as adaptive cruise control, Collision Mitigation Avoidance System, and Michelin PAX run flat tires.
Due to sluggish sales, Acura now plans to sell a lower level model with less options and at a lower price. [1]
AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
Don't worry dddd..uuu....mmmm.bbb...aaas...sss, vot pridurok...
Read the following lines from wikipeda.com, it's real, natural, american english, and not from an italian dddd...uuu...m...b...asss... sorry, I am a poor italian... tell me: how do you pronounce it?:
For 2006, the Acura RL was also sold with the optional 'Technology Package' including features such as adaptive cruise control, Collision Mitigation Avoidance System, and Michelin PAX run flat tires.
Due to sluggish sales, Acura now plans to sell a lower level model with less options and at a lower price. [1]
AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
05-24-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by krio
...AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
05-24-2006, 03:59 PM
#33
Suzuka Master
here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
05-27-2006, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Water-S: You know better than to have multiple screen names
05-27-2006, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
Seems about right to me.
It seems that those two paragraphs nailed it perfectly.
05-27-2006, 10:17 AM
#36
Acura Price too High B.S.
No, it doesn't have a V8 and, to make matters worse, it doesn't have a built in refrigerator, VCR, ice maker, coffee brewer, exercise equipment or king sized bed and it's not nearly in a class with the BMW 745, MB S500 or Audi A8 and my father can beat up your father.. I assume you get my point by now.
It does have every thing I want and need in a car.
Paid $43,500 for my fully equipped 2006 RL after contacting four Acura dealers. When I was shopping, I also looked at the Infiniti M35x and Audi A6 3.2. Price for both with options I wanted ran from $52,000 to $53,000. Neither Infiniti nor Audi would come anywhere close to the Acura price. Best they would offer was $2,000 off of the MSRP and acted like they were doing me a favor. Neither could deliver a car with the color and options I wanted without a three to four month delay waiting for delivery from Germany and Japan oh, and by the way, the price might increase when it's delivered.
Bottom line. I get a car with everything included at $7,500 below the other guys.
Now tell me again why the Acura price is too high.
I guess I'll hear that Acura's price is so low because of poor sales. That could be but I live in a large metropolitan area and I see as many RLs on the road as M35x and Audi A6 3.2 & 4.2. The A6 might get some road notice but you need to see the model ID on the rear of the Infiniti to know if it's a G35 or M35 and it's a rather dull design. The LS is also a turnoff.
I was wondering how many people who posted to this thread actually own the RL.
It does have every thing I want and need in a car.
Paid $43,500 for my fully equipped 2006 RL after contacting four Acura dealers. When I was shopping, I also looked at the Infiniti M35x and Audi A6 3.2. Price for both with options I wanted ran from $52,000 to $53,000. Neither Infiniti nor Audi would come anywhere close to the Acura price. Best they would offer was $2,000 off of the MSRP and acted like they were doing me a favor. Neither could deliver a car with the color and options I wanted without a three to four month delay waiting for delivery from Germany and Japan oh, and by the way, the price might increase when it's delivered.
Bottom line. I get a car with everything included at $7,500 below the other guys.
Now tell me again why the Acura price is too high.
I guess I'll hear that Acura's price is so low because of poor sales. That could be but I live in a large metropolitan area and I see as many RLs on the road as M35x and Audi A6 3.2 & 4.2. The A6 might get some road notice but you need to see the model ID on the rear of the Infiniti to know if it's a G35 or M35 and it's a rather dull design. The LS is also a turnoff.
I was wondering how many people who posted to this thread actually own the RL.
05-27-2006, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzmag
No, it doesn't have a V8 and, to make matters worse, it doesn't have a built in refrigerator, VCR, ice maker, coffee brewer, exercise equipment or king sized bed and it's not nearly in a class with the BMW 745, MB S500 or Audi A8 and my father can beat up your father.. I assume you get my point by now.
It does have every thing I want and need in a car.
Paid $43,500 for my fully equipped 2006 RL after contacting four Acura dealers. When I was shopping, I also looked at the Infiniti M35x and Audi A6 3.2. Price for both with options I wanted ran from $52,000 to $53,000. Neither Infiniti nor Audi would come anywhere close to the Acura price. Best they would offer was $2,000 off of the MSRP and acted like they were doing me a favor. Neither could deliver a car with the color and options I wanted without a three to four month delay waiting for delivery from Germany and Japan oh, and by the way, the price might increase when it's delivered.
Bottom line. I get a car with everything included at $7,500 below the other guys.
Now tell me again why the Acura price is too high.
It does have every thing I want and need in a car.
Paid $43,500 for my fully equipped 2006 RL after contacting four Acura dealers. When I was shopping, I also looked at the Infiniti M35x and Audi A6 3.2. Price for both with options I wanted ran from $52,000 to $53,000. Neither Infiniti nor Audi would come anywhere close to the Acura price. Best they would offer was $2,000 off of the MSRP and acted like they were doing me a favor. Neither could deliver a car with the color and options I wanted without a three to four month delay waiting for delivery from Germany and Japan oh, and by the way, the price might increase when it's delivered.
Bottom line. I get a car with everything included at $7,500 below the other guys.
Now tell me again why the Acura price is too high.
Only BMW and MB can overprice their cars without a V8 available and get away with it.
The RL is in the same boat as GM...the MSRP is overpriced for the market, so they have to sell significantly below MSRP...yet unlike GM Acura probably makes money off of each RL sold, even at lower selling prices.
The A6 might get some road notice but you need to see the model ID on the rear of the Infiniti to know if it's a G35 or M35 and it's a rather dull design. The LS is also a turnoff.
I was wondering how many people who posted to this thread actually own the RL.
I was wondering how many people who posted to this thread actually own the RL.
From far distances, most people can't tell a land rover from a mistubishi eclipse. At more realistic distances, anybody who knows cars can identify an RL vs. an Accord vs. a G35 vs. an M35 vs. an A6 vs. an A4. This is actually the first post I can remember anyone saying that the G35/M35 is more dull than an RL. but that's your opinion, so that's cool.
And no, I don't own an RL. I considered the RL and took several in depth test drives, but compared to the M45 sport, the RL was the better value at its SELLING price, but value was pretty low on my priority list.
05-27-2006, 02:26 PM
#39
[QUOTE=krio]
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
Don't worry dddd..uuu....mmmm.bbb...aaas...sss, vot pridurok...
Read the following lines from wikipeda.com, it's real, natural, american english, and not from an italian dddd...uuu...m...b...asss... sorry, I am a poor italian... tell me: how do you pronounce it?:
For 2006, the Acura RL was also sold with the optional 'Technology Package' including features such as adaptive cruise control, Collision Mitigation Avoidance System, and Michelin PAX run flat tires.
Due to sluggish sales, Acura now plans to sell a lower level model with less options and at a lower price. [1]
AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
thanks im cross eyed now.
Originally Posted by vishnus11
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
Don't worry dddd..uuu....mmmm.bbb...aaas...sss, vot pridurok...
Read the following lines from wikipeda.com, it's real, natural, american english, and not from an italian dddd...uuu...m...b...asss... sorry, I am a poor italian... tell me: how do you pronounce it?:
For 2006, the Acura RL was also sold with the optional 'Technology Package' including features such as adaptive cruise control, Collision Mitigation Avoidance System, and Michelin PAX run flat tires.
Due to sluggish sales, Acura now plans to sell a lower level model with less options and at a lower price. [1]
AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
05-27-2006, 03:51 PM
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[QUOTE=krio]
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
Don't worry dddd..uuu....mmmm.bbb...aaas...sss, vot pridurok...
Read the following lines from wikipeda.com, it's real, natural, american english, and not from an italian dddd...uuu...m...b...asss... sorry, I am a poor italian... tell me: how do you pronounce it?:
For 2006, the Acura RL was also sold with the optional 'Technology Package' including features such as adaptive cruise control, Collision Mitigation Avoidance System, and Michelin PAX run flat tires.
Due to sluggish sales, Acura now plans to sell a lower level model with less options and at a lower price. [1]
AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
son of a bitch that's too much to read. I don't think I read that much in the 5 years of college. 
laugh it up but I graduated bishes.
Originally Posted by vishnus11
Don't worry SPUDMTN, its the same dumbasses that say the RL is overpriced, that say the the S2K costs too much for a Honda.
Don't worry dddd..uuu....mmmm.bbb...aaas...sss, vot pridurok...
Read the following lines from wikipeda.com, it's real, natural, american english, and not from an italian dddd...uuu...m...b...asss... sorry, I am a poor italian... tell me: how do you pronounce it?:
For 2006, the Acura RL was also sold with the optional 'Technology Package' including features such as adaptive cruise control, Collision Mitigation Avoidance System, and Michelin PAX run flat tires.
Due to sluggish sales, Acura now plans to sell a lower level model with less options and at a lower price. [1]
AUTOSPIES.COM:
If the TL didn't exist, the RL would sell decently. But why would anyone pay $10-$20k more for a car that is the exact same size, is simular in luxury, speed, and handling, and status.
When Acura redesigned its flagship RL in 2004, it loaded on the goodies: all-wheel drive, navigation system, 10-speaker stereo and radar that warns drivers of an impending crash.
It has a price tag to match: $49,915 with shipping, about $6,000 more than the previous-generation RL.
Oops.
Now Acura has concluded that its slow-selling flagship needs help.
Auto Spies perspective: We applaud Acura for being honest and admitting there is an issue with the RL.
If you remember correctly, AutoSpies.com was the ONLY media outlet in the world that not only panned the car but also predicted it would be a slow seller.
All the other publications (including Autoweek, the source of this article feared for those ad dollars more than they feared you readers, so they all caved and wrote complimentary reviews.
Here's just a taste of what they said:
Auto Week 2/7/05 Legendary: Acura has found its way back to the big game with the new RL-The game has changed with this latest RL, and even if the car yet relies on a V6 for power, at least it’s a meaty V6, with a peak 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque out of 3.5 liters of all-aluminum VTEC engineering.)
The RL package is a compelling one, and given its sharp interior styling and genuinely handsome exterior, we can think of little reason this Acura shouldn’t give the big guns some competition.
For all the content, style and performance that come in the 2005 RL, we think Acura has finally produced another contender.
They compared it to:
OTHERS CONSIDERED
Audi A8 L
BMW 745i
Mercedes-Benz S430
As you can see, they were still high on crack from the free junket and the big ad deal they cut...
We here at Auto Spies will NEVER let our opinions be bought no matter what the manufacturers think.
You won't see this happen here.
Our goal is to be the most visited automotive site in the world.
If we do what's right for you the customer, we're guaranteed to make our goal reality.
Now, let us help Acura with advice on how to fix the RL.
1. Price the car in the high 30's, reasonably equipped. Lets' face it, the current RL really should be competing with the 3-series, not the 5.
2. Fix the brittle suspension.
3. Make steering less numb.
4. Do some giveaway leases to build a little momentum back.
For the next generation RL:
1. It needs to be a much larger car (LS size)
2. It needs a V8
3. It needs to be as good as an LS for 20% less
4. Design needs to be much more radical and convey a real attitude.
5. Make the interior even nicer than it already is.
6. Don't allow your dealers to charge over sticker when this car makes it to market.
If you're one of those with the mindset that the Japanese car manufacturer's never make the bonehead moves that the American companies do, just look at how Acura flubbed the RL.
As you know, we predicted the Acura RL would bomb and here is the proof in black and white.
Sales down a whopping 43.6% compared to last January...and it's only a year and a half into the lifecycle!
Overpriced, too small, ugly exterior design, sloppy handling and terrible suspension are just some of the gripes at the top of our list.
After a couple extended drives in the car, even though the interior layout and finish was quite good, we were convinced it was a stinker!
Just ask all ten people who bought one!
OK, that was un-called for but we just had to!
AUTO SPIES PERSPECTIVE: When the Spies call it, you can take it to the bank.
If you want an Acura, save your money and buy the best car in their stable, the TL.
The Acura RL is actually a pretty nice car. It has a few 'minor' flaws. I quote minor because in the $50,000 range, these minor flaws are a really big deal. The fit and finish as well as quality of materials are extremely good. With that being said, here are some of the minor, but actually major flaws: 1. Lack of low end torque(plagues most Hondas/Acuras). 2. Too short of a wheelbase compromising rear seat room. In the $50,000 range, a flagship demands large backseat space. 3. Styling too much resembles Accord. Acura designers should've just made a bigger better looking TL and that would've been a great RL. But they chose to glorify the Accord instead. 4. Lack of a V-8. I know this topic has been beat to a pulp, but until Honda starts offering V-8's, they will never be perceived as a true luxury car company.
If you notice, Infiniti got their stuff together when their old M45 flopped and came intentionally released a totally new M45 that addressed all the 4 problems I listed above. The new M45 has lots of low end torque, longer wheelbase which gives lots of legroom, styling which was bigger and better looking than the G35, and finally a powerful V-8 that gives it the curbside status it deserves. If only Acura had followed the same simple formula............
laugh it up but I graduated bishes.