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Old 03-06-2012, 06:24 PM
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That's just the flake in the metallic paint.
There is metal flake in the paint, the stripes...and the floor reflecting in the doors is dirty textured concrete.

In a 1:1 comparison the noise has been considerably reduced...sharpening has a tendency to bring some it back out.

But its nothing like it was in the before pictures. Probably harder to tell in the 1000px resizes.
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After having just watched the apple keynote...especially the portion focusing on the new iPhoto for ipad/iphone...I am now depressed.

Because that is EXACTLY what I want Adobe Lightroom to create for the iPad...with better RAW developing codecs for real pro application.

And that touch control is EXACTLY the UI I've been dreaming about for lightroom to have with the magic track pad.

And I want them to develop it some kind of cloud like feature so I can keep/use/organize my entire photo collection across iPad/laptop/computer and not have to deal with shuffling everything around and updating everything individually.

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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
There is metal flake in the paint, the stripes...and the floor reflecting in the doors is dirty textured concrete.

In a 1:1 comparison the noise has been considerably reduced...sharpening has a tendency to bring some it back out.

But its nothing like it was in the before pictures. Probably harder to tell in the 1000px resizes.
My post was just poking fun at synth, but I do agree with you 100% that the noise is considerably reduced between LR3 and LR4.
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Why is it that some photos look completely different when you change their process version?

For example:

Before:



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Although the before image was previously processed, the bottom image only had the process version updated.
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So I've been going through my photos and noting the effects of converting to the new process and in each case my photos are getting lighter. More specifically, for some of the photos, it appears that the shadows are being lightened during the conversion. And in some cases, it is drastically altering the look of my photos in a negative way where I have to go back and either 1) edit the photo to look like it used to, or 2) simply continue using the old process.

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its my understanding that the photo processing uses a different method in LR4 so when you convert your LR3 files to LR4 processing, the image will look different, as yours does above.
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the 2nd picture was already processed... and then processed again? I think that was the problem
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
So I've been going through my photos and noting the effects of converting to the new process and in each case my photos are getting lighter. More specifically, for some of the photos, it appears that the shadows are being lightened during the conversion. And in some cases, it is drastically altering the look of my photos in a negative way where I have to go back and either 1) edit the photo to look like it used to, or 2) simply continue using the old process.

This is correct, this is what happens when you upgrade a photo to LR4 processing. It gives you a warning describing precisely what you mention when you convert the photo.
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Originally Posted by srika
its my understanding that the photo processing uses a different method in LR4 so when you convert your LR3 files to LR4 processing, the image will look different, as yours does above.
exactly. Its the same going from 2 to 3. But the changes to 4 are more drastic because of all the root changes they made in the new baseline program.

A lot of that has to deal with the fact that everything starts at 0 now. Where as in the previous versions when you import an image it sometime assigned values to some of the tools such as blacks.
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K, guess I'll just have to either keep my images as is, or reprocess them if I feel that they can benefit from LR4.


On another note, been experiencing a bug with LR4, curious to know if you guys are seeing the same issue on yours. The screenshot below shows the most recent folders I have exported to, unfortunately, each entry in that list is grayed out even though those folder locations are valid. This recent folder list worked fine in LR3, but is useless now in LR4.

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...so, I downloaded the new version, but 30 days trial, for now. I'll pay for it when the 30 days is up. But here's my question, I currently have two computers, one is on it's way out, even though I like it better. I just think it's days are numbered. After I pay for it, can I install LR4 on both computers with the provided serial numbers?
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Originally Posted by is300eater
...so, I downloaded the new version, but 30 days trial, for now. I'll pay for it when the 30 days is up. But here's my question, I currently have two computers, one is on it's way out, even though I like it better. I just think it's days are numbered. After I pay for it, can I install LR4 on both computers with the provided serial numbers?
This is what is stated in the License for LR4:

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For the most part, this has been the policy that they have had for most of their software. So based on this, I am allowed to install the software on my desktop and my laptop so long as both aren't used at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
This is what is stated in the License for LR4:



For the most part, this has been the policy that they have had for most of their software. So based on this, I am allowed to install the software on my desktop and my laptop so long as both aren't used at the same time.
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Turns out that issue I have on my computer with the recent folder list is an issue that other mac owners have been having as well. Hopefully they resolve the issue soon.
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The issue I have been having is that when I am in the import window I can't get preview displays of the image i am importing. Granted I have only been using my GF1 so far, so I haven't seen if it does it with other cameras.

Basically in the import thumbnails, instead of a preview thumbnail it says Preview for this image not available.

But in LR3 and all previous versions I NEVER had that happen. I ALWAYS had viewable thumbnails of the images I was going to import.

Its a bit of a pain to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
The issue I have been having is that when I am in the import window I can't get preview displays of the image i am importing. Granted I have only been using my GF1 so far, so I haven't seen if it does it with other cameras.

Basically in the import thumbnails, instead of a preview thumbnail it says Preview for this image not available.

But in LR3 and all previous versions I NEVER had that happen. I ALWAYS had viewable thumbnails of the images I was going to import.

Its a bit of a pain to be honest.
I haven't come across this issue when importing from my SDHC cards off of my D90.

Have you checked the Adobe Forums for Lightroom to see if others are having the issue? This was where I went to research the issue I was having.
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
Turns out that issue I have on my computer with the recent folder list is an issue that other mac owners have been having as well. Hopefully they resolve the issue soon.
I haven't run into that problem on my Mac running 10.6.8.
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The issue I have been having is that when I am in the import window I can't get preview displays of the image i am importing.
Out of ~200 photos from a recent shoot, the import mode couldn't display 2 images in the previews. This was odd because the two had been shot with the same camera, same lens, same everything as the rest of the images.

My main issue with LR4 is the sluggishness. Switching modes freezes everything for 1-2 seconds. I also noticed applying some adjustments won't show on the image real-time like they did in LR3 - there's a 1-2 second delay there, too... so you move a slider and have to hold it before letting go to see if it's as far as you really wanted to drag it.
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Originally Posted by einsatz
I haven't run into that problem on my Mac running 10.6.8.
It doesn't affect everyone and I don't know what scenario produces this issue. I reported it to Adobe and they have been able to reproduce the issue. Hopefully they will have a fix in the first update for LR4.

Here is the submission I made to report the error with dialogue from an Adobe employee ... http://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...g_box_unusable
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I haven't run into that problem on my Mac running 10.6.8.

Out of ~200 photos from a recent shoot, the import mode couldn't display 2 images in the previews. This was odd because the two had been shot with the same camera, same lens, same everything as the rest of the images.

My main issue with LR4 is the sluggishness. Switching modes freezes everything for 1-2 seconds. I also noticed applying some adjustments won't show on the image real-time like they did in LR3 - there's a 1-2 second delay there, too... so you move a slider and have to hold it before letting go to see if it's as far as you really wanted to drag it.
I had that problem with LR3 when I upgrade RAM, no more lag.
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I've got 16GB of ram in my iMac running dual i7s and I still have a bit of lag sometimes when switching modes. I wish I had a simple way to upgrade my iMac's hard drive to an SSD.
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This is adobes biggest downfall...RAM hog...all their software is just one giant RAM hog.

And no on at adobe will do something smart just as take advantage of Mac's Core graphics or anything else that could make the app super fast.

I have been having issues exporting catalogs recently. i get previews could not be found..and now its leading some of my files.

Its REALLY getting frustrating. And of course the bulk of this is blame on my drobo shitting out and taking all its backups with it.

But trying to rebuild this library/catalog and not lose any of my edited data is becoming a losing battle. I know all my DC photos from last August are gone, I still have the photos thankfully...but all the edits/select info are gone, I'll have to start over with those.


I've seriously debated about saying fuck it all and just starting over from scratch.
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yeah, I have to close LR and PS once in a while just to clear the RAM out. Sometimes even with zero files open PS will be at like 2GB, same for LR. And then there's Firefox as well..
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Originally Posted by srika
yeah, I have to close LR and PS once in a while just to clear the RAM out. Sometimes even with zero files open PS will be at like 2GB, same for LR. And then there's Firefox as well..
dang you use Firefox still?

I doubt its been fixed but FF always had a big memory hole. One of the main reasons I stopped using it and switched to chrome.
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Firefox rocks, aside from the memory issues. I also use Chrome.

oh and, I must have missed the memo, I didn't realize nobody uses Firefox anymore.
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Yes no one uses Firefox anymore, we have all moved on
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FF and Chrome have equal market share:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
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I just got LR3 at the bargain price and not sure if I should upgrade to LR4... I also have PS CS3 and not sure I should upgrade to CS6...
Chime in with inputs and if they are real inspiring ...
might model for you guys ..
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So you know where I'm coming from: I had LR3 and recently paid to upgrade to LR4. I have CS2 and currently on the CS6 beta.

I'd stick with LR3 (unless you do video) and go up to CS6.
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So you know where I'm coming from: I had LR3 and recently paid to upgrade to LR4. I have CS2 and currently on the CS6 beta.

I'd stick with LR3 (unless you do video) and go up to CS6.
So for still photo LR4 is not great enhancement over LR3.
Kinda what I thought.
Does CS6 include abilitity to open with the newest camera raw ??? why use LR3/LR4 over camera raw ???
CR is my normal way to open both raw and Jpeq.
I am not impressed with converting raw in LR3
and need a lot more inspiration to model ...
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Whats not to be impressed with about how LR converts RAW?

And I find LR4 to a be great improvement over LR3.
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Whats not to be impressed with about how LR converts RAW?

And I find LR4 to a be great improvement over LR3.
LR has had a unique color shift delta from PS CR convertors.
In a PS 6 web demo today J Brady said LR4 "fixed" it.
See Exrite LR4 demo for more details...
http://xritephoto.com/ph_learning.as...ebinarsarchive
I prefer the sliders in CR convertors.
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Videos I export from LR4 won't import into imovie. This sucks tremendously. Apparently, I'm not the only one.

I was, however, able to do the thing where you can export a single frame as a jpeg. I like that.
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dang you use Firefox still?

I doubt its been fixed but FF always had a big memory hole. One of the main reasons I stopped using it and switched to chrome.
pop-quiz for .... both programs have 10 similar tabs open. which one is more efficient use of RAM?

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I just think it's awesome you're still running winamp seriously, i have fond memories.
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oh I'm all about Winamp lol.




so uh, is everyone here using Convert to DNG when importing to LR? am I the only person who just started doing it over the weekend? curious.
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As I mentioned on FB...I've been converting to DNG ever since I got the OG LR.

More for reasons of hopefully future proofing my files.
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pop-quiz for .... both programs have 10 similar tabs open. which one is more efficient use of RAM?

That's not what I was talking about with FF.

Anyways chrome does that because if one tab crashes, only that tab crashes. Not the entire browser.
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started converting to DNG a few weeks ago. One of the reasons was the support for multi core reading/writing with 'tiled' DNG. The deceased file size is sorta nice, but drives are cheap


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