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Former Chrysler COO Bernhard to become head of Volkswagen
Former Chrysler COO Bernhard to become head of Volkswagen - - By DALE JEWETT | Automotive News - - Source: Autoweek
Volkswagen AG has snared former Chrysler group COO Wolfgang Bernhard to become the head of the Volkswagen brand.
Bernhard, 44, will join the automaker’s board of management on Feb. 1, according to a VW statement, but he won’t have an area of responsibility at that time. He is expected to become chairman of Volkswagen by Jan. 1, 2006.
At the Chrysler group, Bernhard built a reputation as a tough cost cutter and hard-charging executive intensely focused on product development. He was the announced successor to Juergen Hubbert as head of the Mercedes-Benz car group until last April. The promotion was yanked by the DaimlerChrysler AG supervisory board two days before it was to become effective.
At the time, company insiders said Bernhard was blocked from heading Mercedes because his abrasive style upset some colleagues. But the sudden change was widely viewed within the industry as retribution by DaimlerChrysler Chairman Juergen Schrempp for Bernhard’s opposition to his mentor’s plan to invest more into ailing partner Mitsubishi Motors Corp.
Bernhard left the company even though DaimlerChrysler’s supervisory board voted against an additional $7 billion investment in Mitsubishi, although the German-based company retains its 24.7 percent ownership stake.
Once free of DaimlerChrysler, Bernhard was said to have discussed joining General Motors with Vice Chairman Robert Lutz. But in the days before the Paris auto show last month, Lutz said GM would not hire Bernhard.
“We have already been working on the effective unbundling of brand and group functions at Volkswagen for over a year,” said Volkswagen CEO Bernd Pischetsrieder in a statement. “Bernhard will manage the VW brand independently as soon as we have fully completed this process.”
Bernhard attracted attention as the launch manager for the redesigned Mercedes-Benz S class at the Sindelfingen, Germany, plant in 1994, then headed the AMG high- performance unit in 1999.
His tenure at the Chrysler group was marked by flamboyance — such as when he rode the Tomahawk concept motorcycle onto the stage at the 2003 Detroit auto show. Last January, he drove out in the ME Four-Twelve supercar concept, a project he conceived and pushed to completion in less than a year in secrecy.
Volkswagen AG has snared former Chrysler group COO Wolfgang Bernhard to become the head of the Volkswagen brand.
Bernhard, 44, will join the automaker’s board of management on Feb. 1, according to a VW statement, but he won’t have an area of responsibility at that time. He is expected to become chairman of Volkswagen by Jan. 1, 2006.
At the Chrysler group, Bernhard built a reputation as a tough cost cutter and hard-charging executive intensely focused on product development. He was the announced successor to Juergen Hubbert as head of the Mercedes-Benz car group until last April. The promotion was yanked by the DaimlerChrysler AG supervisory board two days before it was to become effective.
At the time, company insiders said Bernhard was blocked from heading Mercedes because his abrasive style upset some colleagues. But the sudden change was widely viewed within the industry as retribution by DaimlerChrysler Chairman Juergen Schrempp for Bernhard’s opposition to his mentor’s plan to invest more into ailing partner Mitsubishi Motors Corp.
Bernhard left the company even though DaimlerChrysler’s supervisory board voted against an additional $7 billion investment in Mitsubishi, although the German-based company retains its 24.7 percent ownership stake.
Once free of DaimlerChrysler, Bernhard was said to have discussed joining General Motors with Vice Chairman Robert Lutz. But in the days before the Paris auto show last month, Lutz said GM would not hire Bernhard.
“We have already been working on the effective unbundling of brand and group functions at Volkswagen for over a year,” said Volkswagen CEO Bernd Pischetsrieder in a statement. “Bernhard will manage the VW brand independently as soon as we have fully completed this process.”
Bernhard attracted attention as the launch manager for the redesigned Mercedes-Benz S class at the Sindelfingen, Germany, plant in 1994, then headed the AMG high- performance unit in 1999.
His tenure at the Chrysler group was marked by flamboyance — such as when he rode the Tomahawk concept motorcycle onto the stage at the 2003 Detroit auto show. Last January, he drove out in the ME Four-Twelve supercar concept, a project he conceived and pushed to completion in less than a year in secrecy.
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Volkswagen will pay your car's insurance premium
VW Breaks the "What's Next?" Barrier - - By Mike David - - Source: The Car Connection
Ever since Chrysler some three decades ago introduced upfront incentives to lure car buyers, automakers in the U. S. market have been trying various schemes - rebates, zero or low-cost financing, free maintenance, longer warranties - to separate their wares from the crowds. Now, according to a weekend report by Bloomberg News, Volkswagen has come up with a new incentive idea, being tried out through dealers in Illinois and Wisconsin: free car insurance for the first year of ownership or lease of a new Golf or Beetle. These models are the German importer¹s entry-level cars that appeal most to younger, college-type buyers.
And it¹s no coincidence that young buyers are also those hit hardest by whopping "under age 25" car insurance premiums. CNW Marketing told Bloomberg that the average insurance premium annually on a new Beetle or Golf comes to $846. The insurance incentive program, available until the end of March, probably won't be extended because VW reportedly will introduce a new Golf this spring. But, if successful, the idea might appeal to other automakers struggling to whittle down inventories or keep assembly lines moving.
And it¹s no coincidence that young buyers are also those hit hardest by whopping "under age 25" car insurance premiums. CNW Marketing told Bloomberg that the average insurance premium annually on a new Beetle or Golf comes to $846. The insurance incentive program, available until the end of March, probably won't be extended because VW reportedly will introduce a new Golf this spring. But, if successful, the idea might appeal to other automakers struggling to whittle down inventories or keep assembly lines moving.
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im sure there are restrictions on this... i mean a guy with a shitty driving record would cost a lot to insure... would VW still cover it?
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afterall, women do suck at driving and they LOVE the beetle, so this may turn out to be an expensive lil project
I think this plan is going to fail.
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Volkswagen: Financial Status news **Profit Plunges 86% (page 3)**
Volkswagen disappoints market with wary outlook - - Reuters / March 08, 2005 -- Source: Automotive News
WOLFSBURG, Germany -- Hopes for a quick turnaround at Volkswagen faded on Tuesday as Europe's biggest carmaker underwhelmed investors with a weak first-quarter forecast and a wary 2005 operating profit target.
"Operating profit after special items will improve year-on-year in 2005, although the extent of this improvement depends on external factors that cannot be predicted at present," the German group said.
Early in January, VW finance chief Hans Dieter Poetsch had already forecast an improved operating profit for 2005 and a clear rise the following year, when he said earnings should improve by a few billion euros.
In February, VW reported a 12 percent drop in 2004 operating profit to 2.015 billion euros ($2.66 billion) before one-offs.
The company is pinning its hopes on the success of its "ForMotion" restructuring programme and a rejuvenated model line to help it counter sluggish markets, a strong euro, high raw material prices and dwindling profits in China.
But the outlook for the first quarter sent VW's shares down nearly 4 percent and robbed the stock of its upward momentum this year as one of Europe's car sector turnaround stories.
"As in the previous year, the operating profit for the first quarter of 2005 will not be satisfactory," Chief Executive Bernd Pischetsrieder said during VW's annual news conference. But he declined to say whether it would drop year-on-year.
Michael Raab, analyst at Sal Oppenheim, said: "The wording they have used is almost tantamount to a profit warning for Q1 and there were obviously a couple of people out there who were playing Volkswagen as a restructuring story."
Poetsch said one-off effects in 2005 would be significantly less negative than the 395 million euros booked in 2004 as a result of expenses related to the ForMotion program.
Despite raising VW's 2005 currency hedging rate to over 70 percent, Poetsch could not rule out a heavier burden this year after a strong euro wiped 800 million from last year's operating profit.
"I cannot say (whether it will be more), but it's going to be a significant amount," the CFO said.
Pischetsrieder told reporters Volkswagen only had to generate new savings in 2005 of roughly 1.74 billion euros to reach its 3.1 billion target under ForMotion, since the rest was the amount of savings that could be sustained from last year.
REBOUND AHEAD?
Deliveries to customers declined 0.5 percent to roughly 687,000 vehicles in the first two months of the year, dragged down by a drop in China, VW's most important foreign market, where competition from rivals has been growing.
The company said it expects an improvement in global car sales later in the year thanks in part to this month's relaunch of both its popular Jetta compact saloon in the United States and the Passat mid-sized saloon in Europe.
Investor hopes for a turnaround have also been boosted by the arrival of former Chrysler manager Wolfgang Bernhard, who will take over responsibility for the VW Brand Group long before January 2006, Pischetsrieder said.
This cannot come too soon, as the division -- which includes the Skoda, Bentley and Bugatti nameplates -- swung to a 2004 operating loss of 44 million euros from a 486 million euro profit in 2003 due mainly to problems at its core VW brand.
Pro-rata operating profit at the group's joint ventures in China declined by 60 percent to just 222 million euros last year, while the group's North American operating loss widened to 907 million euros from 168 million in 2003.
Poetsch said the group "most likely would see smaller profits" in China this year, adding that only under certain conditions like a weaker euro would VW break even in North America next year.
Much like fellow restructuring case DaimlerChrysler, VW trades at a premium to other European carmakers.
Investors value the company at 11.4 times estimated 2005 earnings, according to Reuters Estimates, versus 5.8 for Renault and 7.2 for Peugeot. BMW trades at 10.0 times 2005 results while Daimler commands a multiple of 12.4 for estimated 2005 profits.
"Operating profit after special items will improve year-on-year in 2005, although the extent of this improvement depends on external factors that cannot be predicted at present," the German group said.
Early in January, VW finance chief Hans Dieter Poetsch had already forecast an improved operating profit for 2005 and a clear rise the following year, when he said earnings should improve by a few billion euros.
In February, VW reported a 12 percent drop in 2004 operating profit to 2.015 billion euros ($2.66 billion) before one-offs.
The company is pinning its hopes on the success of its "ForMotion" restructuring programme and a rejuvenated model line to help it counter sluggish markets, a strong euro, high raw material prices and dwindling profits in China.
But the outlook for the first quarter sent VW's shares down nearly 4 percent and robbed the stock of its upward momentum this year as one of Europe's car sector turnaround stories.
"As in the previous year, the operating profit for the first quarter of 2005 will not be satisfactory," Chief Executive Bernd Pischetsrieder said during VW's annual news conference. But he declined to say whether it would drop year-on-year.
Michael Raab, analyst at Sal Oppenheim, said: "The wording they have used is almost tantamount to a profit warning for Q1 and there were obviously a couple of people out there who were playing Volkswagen as a restructuring story."
Poetsch said one-off effects in 2005 would be significantly less negative than the 395 million euros booked in 2004 as a result of expenses related to the ForMotion program.
Despite raising VW's 2005 currency hedging rate to over 70 percent, Poetsch could not rule out a heavier burden this year after a strong euro wiped 800 million from last year's operating profit.
"I cannot say (whether it will be more), but it's going to be a significant amount," the CFO said.
Pischetsrieder told reporters Volkswagen only had to generate new savings in 2005 of roughly 1.74 billion euros to reach its 3.1 billion target under ForMotion, since the rest was the amount of savings that could be sustained from last year.
REBOUND AHEAD?
Deliveries to customers declined 0.5 percent to roughly 687,000 vehicles in the first two months of the year, dragged down by a drop in China, VW's most important foreign market, where competition from rivals has been growing.
The company said it expects an improvement in global car sales later in the year thanks in part to this month's relaunch of both its popular Jetta compact saloon in the United States and the Passat mid-sized saloon in Europe.
Investor hopes for a turnaround have also been boosted by the arrival of former Chrysler manager Wolfgang Bernhard, who will take over responsibility for the VW Brand Group long before January 2006, Pischetsrieder said.
This cannot come too soon, as the division -- which includes the Skoda, Bentley and Bugatti nameplates -- swung to a 2004 operating loss of 44 million euros from a 486 million euro profit in 2003 due mainly to problems at its core VW brand.
Pro-rata operating profit at the group's joint ventures in China declined by 60 percent to just 222 million euros last year, while the group's North American operating loss widened to 907 million euros from 168 million in 2003.
Poetsch said the group "most likely would see smaller profits" in China this year, adding that only under certain conditions like a weaker euro would VW break even in North America next year.
Much like fellow restructuring case DaimlerChrysler, VW trades at a premium to other European carmakers.
Investors value the company at 11.4 times estimated 2005 earnings, according to Reuters Estimates, versus 5.8 for Renault and 7.2 for Peugeot. BMW trades at 10.0 times 2005 results while Daimler commands a multiple of 12.4 for estimated 2005 profits.
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No pity here for VW - their strategy for moving VW upscale was doomed from the start. They need to have separation between VW (value) and Audi (premium).
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Originally Posted by PistonFan
No pity here for VW - their strategy for moving VW upscale was doomed from the start. They need to have separation between VW (value) and Audi (premium).
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the phaton probably was just released for bragging rights and to sway people to think of VW as a luxury brand....more luxury than avg vw competition making people want to lean towards the vw jetta or somethin
it hasnt worked yet...but in time, it will....actually its gonna be a really advantage in 10 years or so...
so yeah, what we see as a stupid move now, is a smart move business wise down the road...as long as they dont lose money on making the phaeton etc, or as long as whatever loss is made up for by the bragging rights making people buy cheaper VW cars...i dont see how its a bad thing.
think success of integra in a line up of acuras like the legend and stuff that wasnt that cheap
VW already has a pretty shitty image....what better tool to change an image than a phat luxury car that most cannot afford
it hasnt worked yet...but in time, it will....actually its gonna be a really advantage in 10 years or so...
so yeah, what we see as a stupid move now, is a smart move business wise down the road...as long as they dont lose money on making the phaeton etc, or as long as whatever loss is made up for by the bragging rights making people buy cheaper VW cars...i dont see how its a bad thing.
think success of integra in a line up of acuras like the legend and stuff that wasnt that cheap
VW already has a pretty shitty image....what better tool to change an image than a phat luxury car that most cannot afford
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Originally Posted by PistonFan
No pity here for VW - their strategy for moving VW upscale was doomed from the start. They need to have separation between VW (value) and Audi (premium).
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The new Passat looks huge. Probably as big as the new Avalon.
If VW could sell price that competitively, like have the base model be around the price of an Accord V6 with cloth, VW might save themselves.
If VW could sell price that competitively, like have the base model be around the price of an Accord V6 with cloth, VW might save themselves.
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The US dollar is weak. The price would probably go up.
Originally Posted by phile
The new Passat looks huge. Probably as big as the new Avalon.
If VW could sell price that competitively, like have the base model be around the price of an Accord V6 with cloth, VW might save themselves.
If VW could sell price that competitively, like have the base model be around the price of an Accord V6 with cloth, VW might save themselves.
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Originally Posted by phile
The new Passat looks huge. Probably as big as the new Avalon.
If VW could sell price that competitively, like have the base model be around the price of an Accord V6 with cloth, VW might save themselves.
If VW could sell price that competitively, like have the base model be around the price of an Accord V6 with cloth, VW might save themselves.
doubt it. the new jetta base model is gonna start at 18-19k so a fully loaded one will cost more than a fully loaded accord v6
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Your not serious? More than V6 Accord?
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doubt it. the new jetta base model is gonna start at 18-19k so a fully loaded one will cost more than a fully loaded accord v6
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Originally Posted by PistonFan
No pity here for VW - their strategy for moving VW upscale was doomed from the start. They need to have separation between VW (value) and Audi (premium).
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The US dollar is weak. The price would probably go up.
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If VW had spent the R&D and marketing budget allocated for the hopeless Phaeton in the other lines, it would have been in much better shape.
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That would be using common sense.
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If VW had spent the R&D and marketing budget allocated for the hopeless Phaeton in the other lines, it would have been in much better shape.
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That would be using common sense.
True but I think he was gracefully indicating that VW should not have bothered with the Phaeton and instead should have focused these resources on the other VW models.
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It's easy to SAY that VW should be the value company... but it's not easy to DO when they have two other badges that offer the value alternative to VW.
Remember Skoda and Seat?
Junkster, who thinks VW should drop Skoda and Seat
Remember Skoda and Seat?
Junkster, who thinks VW should drop Skoda and Seat
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Originally Posted by amirsafdari
the phaton probably was just released for bragging rights and to sway people to think of VW as a luxury brand....more luxury than avg vw competition making people want to lean towards the vw jetta or somethin
it hasnt worked yet...but in time, it will....actually its gonna be a really advantage in 10 years or so...
so yeah, what we see as a stupid move now, is a smart move business wise down the road...as long as they dont lose money on making the phaeton etc, or as long as whatever loss is made up for by the bragging rights making people buy cheaper VW cars...i dont see how its a bad thing.
it hasnt worked yet...but in time, it will....actually its gonna be a really advantage in 10 years or so...
so yeah, what we see as a stupid move now, is a smart move business wise down the road...as long as they dont lose money on making the phaeton etc, or as long as whatever loss is made up for by the bragging rights making people buy cheaper VW cars...i dont see how its a bad thing.
People criticize vw for moving up market as much as they do bmw/ etc for moving down market, eventually, if the companies are successful the consumers will accept it.
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You're absolutely correct. The Phaeton is an excellent car, but is sold in the wrong division. It would fare better if it was sold under the Audi or even Porsche name plate. VW did something that all other car manufacturers would never have done in the right mind. Would Toyota sell a Lexus LS/GS-class car in the Toyota division ? Would Honda sell a Acura RL-class car in the Honda division ? Would DaimerChrysler sell a Mercedes S-class car in the Chrysler division ? NO, because not many people is gonna buy it.
If there were no Phaeton, the resources spent on R&D'ing and maketing the Phaeton could be used on the new Golf, Jetta, or Passat. Spent the money on making them more luxury in the inside. Put more money in marketing. Giving rebates is the fastest way to move cars. The task at hand is to stop the sales from sliding further.
If there were no Phaeton, the resources spent on R&D'ing and maketing the Phaeton could be used on the new Golf, Jetta, or Passat. Spent the money on making them more luxury in the inside. Put more money in marketing. Giving rebates is the fastest way to move cars. The task at hand is to stop the sales from sliding further.
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Junkster, who thinks VW should drop Skoda and Seat
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They just need to work on build quality, once/if they achieve that, the company will move fast.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Would Toyota sell a Lexus LS/GS-class car in the Toyota division ?
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Would Honda sell a Acura RL-class car in the Honda division ?
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Would DaimerChrysler sell a Mercedes S-class car in the Chrysler division ? NO, because not many people is gonna buy it.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Skoda and Seat may be the only good thing that's left within VW currently. I am not sure why you're saying that.
And with slightly cheaper prices then VW, Skoda and Seat are probably doing a number VW sales over there.
Two badges, maybe... but three in the same market? If you had to drop one (which is what they should do... of course, VW board never does what's sensible), which one would you drop/sell?
Junkster, whose gonna say Seat
And with slightly cheaper prices then VW, Skoda and Seat are probably doing a number VW sales over there.
Two badges, maybe... but three in the same market? If you had to drop one (which is what they should do... of course, VW board never does what's sensible), which one would you drop/sell?
Junkster, whose gonna say Seat
And with slightly cheaper prices then VW, Skoda and Seat are probably doing a number VW sales over there.
Two badges, maybe... but three in the same market? If you had to drop one (which is what they should do... of course, VW board never does what's sensible), which one would you drop/sell?
Junkster, whose gonna say Seat
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Originally Posted by Junkster
But that adds up to three badges that target the same market... you're basically canibalizing sales...
Seat is direct competition to Alfa Romeo.
Skoda is under VW as far as pricing (going against Fiat for example) and
VW is where it is as we know it.
Hence, there is no need to drop any subsidiary within VW right now. Especially Seat. Seat is kicking and wait till you see what's coming up next.
The problem is some! of the strategy especially with the VW marque and partially with the Audi marque.
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Here is how VW execs view the group. This makes 100% sense to me!
With the above resources, in my opinion, VW could be a mini Toyota on a global level. If they could bring Seat to NA for example, like Toyota did with Scion (not brought but created) and overall, execute on all counts, this group has the potential to be a lot more significant than what it is right now. Obviously, it's the people that have been running the group that...basically suck! It's not a matter of resources. Similar case with GM I guess, but GM at least is still number one.
With the above resources, in my opinion, VW could be a mini Toyota on a global level. If they could bring Seat to NA for example, like Toyota did with Scion (not brought but created) and overall, execute on all counts, this group has the potential to be a lot more significant than what it is right now. Obviously, it's the people that have been running the group that...basically suck! It's not a matter of resources. Similar case with GM I guess, but GM at least is still number one.
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Cannibalizing sales isn't exactly a bad thing if it's the same company. I'm sure Toyota realizes the new Avalon will step into Lexus ES330 territory, but in the end, the money goes to Toyota anyway.
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Originally Posted by phile
Cannibalizing sales isn't exactly a bad thing if it's the same company. I'm sure Toyota realizes the new Avalon will step into Lexus ES330 territory, but in the end, the money goes to Toyota anyway.
You guys may not understand this because Seat and Skoda do not sell here and maybe you dont understand the brands as I do (having born and lived in Europe and keeping close ties with that part of the world).
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I dont feel there is ANY canibalization between Skoda, VW and Seat. The prospect buyer is distinctly different here.
You guys may not understand this because Seat and Skoda do not sell here and maybe you dont understand the brands as I do (having born and lived in Europe and keeping close ties with that part of the world).
You guys may not understand this because Seat and Skoda do not sell here and maybe you dont understand the brands as I do (having born and lived in Europe and keeping close ties with that part of the world).
I've been to europe (1999, I know... a long time ago ) and have friends in Denmark, Holland, England, Germany and France... The German friend tells me about the Skoda line and how much component sharing occurs between the Skoda and VW, and how buying a top-of-the-line Skoda might be a bit cheaper then buying the VW counterpart... I haven't asked him about Seat, but I don't see what market Seat is trying to go to...
VW's reputation for wasting money is probably another big factor...
Junkster, who wonders if there's an outline of what demographics each badge is shooting for
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Originally Posted by Junkster
hmm... maybe... maybe VW is just losing sales to the Japanese makes, as been reported (Honda, Toyota and even Hyundai reported increase sales in Europe of late.. while VW keeps falling)...
I've been to europe (1999, I know... a long time ago ) and have friends in Denmark, Holland, England, Germany and France... The German friend tells me about the Skoda line and how much component sharing occurs between the Skoda and VW, and how buying a top-of-the-line Skoda might be a bit cheaper then buying the VW counterpart... I haven't asked him about Seat, but I don't see what market Seat is trying to go to...
VW's reputation for wasting money is probably another big factor...
Junkster, who wonders if there's an outline of what demographics each badge is shooting for
I've been to europe (1999, I know... a long time ago ) and have friends in Denmark, Holland, England, Germany and France... The German friend tells me about the Skoda line and how much component sharing occurs between the Skoda and VW, and how buying a top-of-the-line Skoda might be a bit cheaper then buying the VW counterpart... I haven't asked him about Seat, but I don't see what market Seat is trying to go to...
VW's reputation for wasting money is probably another big factor...
Junkster, who wonders if there's an outline of what demographics each badge is shooting for
As I said, Seat's target market is clear. If you understand what Alfa's target market is, then that's where Seat plays. Rather, is trying to play, because it still needs work. Alfa is certainly ahead in that segment.
A simplistic way to put it is this. Alfa/Seat go after the buyer who wants a less expensive BMW. Or the prospect that wants a BMW but cant afford one, or one that sees more value in Alfa due to lower prices.
One could argue that that's what Acura's play is in the NA market. But it's not the best example because both BMW and Acura are...luxury "plays". Maybe entry-luxury for Acura.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
It's true that currently Skodas are stripped down VWs, but that's changing. Skoda has started to show exclusive concept cars lately and the trend will continue (I expect).
As I said, Seat's target market is clear. If you understand what Alfa's target market is, then that's where Seat plays. Rather, is trying to play, because it still needs work. Alfa is certainly ahead in that segment.
A simplistic way to put it is this. Alfa/Seat go after the buyer who wants a less expensive BMW. Or the prospect that wants a BMW but cant afford one, or one that sees more value in Alfa due to lower prices.
One could argue that that's what Acura's play is in the NA market. But it's not the best example.
As I said, Seat's target market is clear. If you understand what Alfa's target market is, then that's where Seat plays. Rather, is trying to play, because it still needs work. Alfa is certainly ahead in that segment.
A simplistic way to put it is this. Alfa/Seat go after the buyer who wants a less expensive BMW. Or the prospect that wants a BMW but cant afford one, or one that sees more value in Alfa due to lower prices.
One could argue that that's what Acura's play is in the NA market. But it's not the best example.
Which brings me to the point... How can Seat compete in the entry lux market of Europe without the looks or the heritage of Alfa? And isn't VW moving into a similar market by stating that it wants to move upmarket? What about Audi and it's A3?
Too much overlapping... and VW being stuck in the middle seems like a factor in everyone else in the VW Group growing (Skoda, Seat, Audi) while VW sales slump yearly...
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Originally Posted by Junkster
Alfa is sort of the Acura equivalent in Europe, for sure... but Alfa brings more Italian flare with it's products...
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Which brings me to the point... How can Seat compete in the entry lux market of Europe without the looks or the heritage of Alfa?
About the heritage comment:
Well? Of course Alfa has more heritage. Enzo Ferrari was racing in Alfas a billion years ago. VW created the Seat name only a few years ago. Ala-Scion.
About the looks comment: I disagree. Seats have the "alfa look" whatever that means. Meaning they do have the appropriate spice for the segment they compete in. There is still work to be done, but they dont lack in that department.
Look at the Ibiza from the rear. It looks like an Afla 147.
And look at this concept Leon. This is impressive on all counts looks-wise.
http://dealer.seat.co.uk/dealers/flashtest.html
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And isn't VW moving into a similar market by stating that it wants to move upmarket? What about Audi and it's A3?
Originally Posted by Junkster
Too much overlapping...
Originally Posted by Junkster
and VW being stuck in the middle seems like a factor in everyone else in the VW Group growing (Skoda, Seat, Audi) while VW sales slump yearly...
Junkster, who wonders when VW will shed some 'excess' pounds
The Phaeton and other endeavors threw them off course and they will be paying the price for a long time. Also the fact that they are working on a new RWD platform for an ala-CLS vehicle is a continuation of the same mistake in my opinion. VW should concentrate in being a...Toyota basically (not the group, but the marque). That's where it pretty much was in the...good old days and I know they can be that even now. They can build a Corolla, it's been called the Golf, they can build a Camry, it's been called the Passat. But during the past 10 years they have made other errors as well, like in marketing (pricing and promotion were deadly off for many many years). The Jetta had so much potential... Same for a four door GOlf that never existed. They screwed up so bad, I am surprised they are not in much deeper trouble than they currently are.
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And talking about VW's marketing problems, here they are recognizing them:
VWofA hires Mini’s Martin for marketing job - -Source: Automotive News
VWofA hires Mini’s Martin for marketing job - -Source: Automotive News
Volkswagen of America Inc. has hired the former manager of marketing communications for Mini USA, Kerri Martin, as its director of market development. VWoA Vice President Len Hunt said Martin has “been an architect in the success of Mini.”