Sakuragi

s2k should remain a rwd imho...

GreenMonster

XGA thread is here:

https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/next-gen-honda-s2000-news-%2A%2A-jdm-type-r-news-page-11-%2A%2A-127221/

Hmm... the original text was posted on the s2ki.com site, but I still think that tight lipped honda would never let this story leak out...

But maybe they've been listening to me...

from the acura wants a stronger image thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/acura-sales-marketing-financial-news-387118/#post4708611

From the Future H/A pocket rocket thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/future-honda-pocket-rockets-330473/

If they make something like what's being described in the s2ki article, I'd definitely add it to my list of future cars I'll consider buying when it's time to replace the CLS...

But the XGA will have a bunch of competition from a BMW 335 coupe, G37c, Is350 coupe, Supra, etc, that are all "rumored" to be coming soon...

mrdeeno

The article says that this car, if it's for real, will be based on the s2000's rwd platform AND use SH-AWD.

SH-AWD is a system for FWD vehicles...SH-AWD drives the rear wheels of a FWD vehicle. From what I understand, the SH-AWD system consists of the rear driveshaft and gear components, etc. etc, that make it possible to turn the REAR wheels of a FWD car.

What's the deal? The s2000's platform already drives the REAR wheels.

GreenMonster

For that price, they'll probably make in an ACURA... the XGA name being throw about further supports the idea that it was be an acura (TSX, MDX, RSX, etc...)

There's been talk for years of an acura version on the s2000...

Edit:

If Acura wants a stronger/sportier image, then a sub nsx/s2000 2+2 coupe and a V10 NSX will probably do just that

GreenMonster

I'm not sure, but I would think that the SH-AWD or VTM-4 awd systems could be modified to put power to the front wheels too... It's probably a little more complicated to power the front wheels on a RWD platform, but it's been done many times before...

mrdeeno

I disagree...I don't think that either of those systems can be modified for a RWD platform...unless you are willing to call total re-engineering a modification.

There are certain factors in a FWD platform that cannot be changed. There are also certain factors in a RWD platform that cannot be changed.

In a RWD car, the "secondary" drive-shaft drives the front wheels.

Honda's 2 (actually 3 if you count "Real-Time" in the CRV) were designed specifically to drive the rear wheels of FWD cars. The "secondary" drive-shaft is driving the rear wheels.

I think Honda is moving towards calling SH-AWD a "concept" rather than an actual system of components, much like "AWD" is a "concept" that applies to many different systems from different automakers.

If this is the case, then they may give this car (if it's for real) the ability to distribute the amount of torque between the rear wheels, even though its rear-driven (making it "SH"). This will be totally separate from adding power to the front wheels to make it AWD.

So in the end, it'll have "SH-AWD", although no actual parts or components shared with the RL.

jwong77

Other than foul weather driving, what would a RWD version of SH-AWD do for the car's performance? I thought they implemented SH-AWD on FWD cars to overcome oversteer. I don't have much experience with RWD, but don't they usually have more neutral steering than FWD? This seems to just add weight to the car.

mrdeeno

You mean they added SH-AWD to overcome understeer? right?

That's a good question...why would a RWD car need AWD except for bad weather...but even with high performance tires, drivign's gonna suck in bad weather with or w/o AWD.

a RWD platform wouldn't need SH-AWD as badly as a front drive car, and also they "system" in the RL would be incompatible with a RWD platform.

jwong77

Wow, yeah thats what I meant, understeer. I guess thats what happens when you post at 4am. Anyways, the more I think of it, this seems like something where the marketing department won out over the engineers. I mean if they put SH-AWD on this sports car, then it would also help to sell the sporty image of the more mundane models that have SH-AWD as an option. Sort of like VTEC on the NSX which trickled down to the Integra, Accord, etc.

Mizouse

in case you havent seen this

http://hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2...44727&mime=asc

meaning the s2000 will be around for another year :w00t: hopefully ill be able to get the 2007

phile

Well there's the good news, and then there's the cold reality that Honda might pull another NSX and let the S2K live on for another decade.

Mizouse

nothing wrong with that

if i cant get a new NSX then i might as well get the next best thing, and most likely something i can afford

RyeCL

exactly....i still want an s2000 as my next car....

corey415

Next Gen S2000 news from Road & Track as posted on vtec.net:

"Mr. Mitani's friends at BestCar are guessing that the S2000 will likely get a "2.4-liter version of Honda's K24 inline-4" (redundant?), but they say there's also the faint possibility of a 3.0L V6. They're guessing that the 2.4L will develop around 250hp at 7000 rpm and 180lb-ft of torque at 4800 rpm."

"the details to this point seem rather sketchy, so until we start getting more solid info we're going to put the credibilty rating at 6 on this one"


http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=617521

I really hope this is true!

jwong77

Upgrading to the 2.4 seems plausible, but the 3.0V6 sounds way out of the question. The hood of the S2000 looks way too low to fit a big V-6 like that in there, not to mention what it would do to the balance of the car.

GreenMonster

I think that they are talking about is putting a v6 into a REDESIGNED s2k, so the hood, balance, etc would have to be taken into consideration with regards to building the new s2k...

EPS CL

It better have a 6 speed bolted to it.

phile

My theory: 2.4L for the S2K, the V6 model for a rebadged Acura version.

srika

the s2000 can't have a v6. even if they redesign it. I liken it to when the eclipse got the v6. ruined the whole image of what the car started out as.

TL CHROMETIDE

GreenMonster

They've been talking about a Acura version of the S2k since 2002...

GreenMonster

Like how the S600 got bigger ??

srika

touché....

phile

LOL, yes, but maybe this time Honda will decide to share the wealth with Acura.

SpeedyV6

If you open the hood of an S2K you'll see that there's plenty of room for a V6. I doubt that it would affect the handling much either. How much heavier can a v6 be? Just relocate the battery to the trunk and you should be in good shape.

TL CHROMETIDE

With all the recent news about improving Acura's image, I can actually believe that there will be an Acura 'S2000' but I may be wrong

Ken1997TL

I think Honda should put a lightweight 90 degree V-8 under that hood.

iamhomin

My only wish is that they keep the current attributes regardless of the engine upgrade. Meaning, high red line, 49:51 (50:50) weight distribution, rawness, and fuel friendliness.

vishnus11

:grin:

With all due respect....the driver would vaporize! No joke. It freakin FLIES with a 4cyl. A V8 would just equal warp speed.

All joke aside, that 250hp stuff is absolute crock. If you ask me, Honda will shatter its previous record of 120hp/liter and shoot for 125hp/liter from a 2.4, which puts you right at a nice round 300hp, which would be more than healthy for it to compete with the Supra and next gen Z. I'd say an all new design, or a heavily, heavily tweaked K eries, that would probably not share much with the current K24 in the TSX etc. Also, the new "Advanced VTEC" system would definetely be featured.

What I don't buy is the 2009 release date. The NSX is set for arrival then, as is the new TL. The new accord should be around then as well. No way they'd allow for a new S2k to be released then - it would steal some of the NSX's thunder.

As for Acura getting an S2k based roadster - I see something similar to Nissan/Infiniti's 350Z/G35 type combo, with the Honda S2k being lightweight and fast, and the bigger hypothetical Acura roadster being a bit more softly sprung, luxo-ed up, and a tad slower and scalpel like. A worthy Z4 competitor. Problem is the S2k itself would be a worthy competitor, so this Acura counterpart would have to go after a whole other niche.

srika

now we're talking!!!!!

v6 = v8 =

LOL!!!!!

GreenMonster

A v8 would rock, as alot of people complain about lack of low end torque (easily solved with the addition of a SC onto the current 4banger)...

Even with a V8, they would still have to stick to what has made the s2K what it its... balanced and lightweight... something under 4.0L might work well...

rondog

iTrader: (1)

True, and besides the image thing, Honda is not a company that likes to put similar models out for both Honda and Acura, and why would they expand on a model that is so close to be dropped off the line. They just need to drop the RWD configuration in the new 2009 TL chasis as a coupe with the opotion of AWD. Which they will never do.

Shoofin

I love my S2k....I still can't see why it never continued to be as popular as it was when it first came out....

Crazy Bimmer

How about the turboed RDX motor in a S2k....

Ken1997TL

I havent driven it, but I'd imagine the turbo lag would be objectional in a car like that.

NA motor > *

phile

I know, if it was one company I'd expect to be able to overcome it, it would be Honda. But I guess not, even TOV reported turbo lag and they usually, shall I say, emphasize the positives when reviewing Hondas. Although BMW's new bi-turbo motor is getting remarks about no turbo lag.

Maximized

Honda could use a variable geometry turbo, which basically eliminates lag. Performance enthusiasts would LOVE a turbocharged S2K from the factory, assuming that you can do the usual turbo BPU's and the engine remains reliable. It's not like the S2K currently isn't VERY laggy with it's N/A powerband. The 2.3L engine making 275hp with a VGT turbo would rock.

vishnus11

Not sure what you mean by that?

As Ken said, an N/A engine gives instantaneous throttle response. One of the major + points of an S2k is the fact that it responds almost instantly to driver input with no lag or slack in any of the driver controls.

The next gen S2k should be an N/A motor straight from the factory. Small displacement, insane revs, peaky powerband......thats the stuff

O-Town_TypeS

Not sure if I agree with that...it's already mounted at an angle to make room for the hood. There's only about half an inch clearance from the hood. Sure with a hood scoop you could put a v6 in there but for some reason I don' t think it belongs on a s2k

Ken1997TL

Maybe an slanted I-6