Honda: S2000 News
01-15-2004, 10:56 AM
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The s2000 is a classic. Look at cars like the miata. That car's looks have only been updated and freshened but remained similar to 10 years ago.
01-19-2004, 05:57 PM
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If Honda goes with that design it would be a HUGE mistake. The only appealing thing about the s2k is the look. It is a squatty looking vehicle in the rear and has a scowl from the front.
Personally, I really like the current design. However, if they decide to make it look like a Chrysler sunday grocery car... I'll stop talking nice about them...
Personally, I really like the current design. However, if they decide to make it look like a Chrysler sunday grocery car... I'll stop talking nice about them...
01-20-2004, 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by chungkopi
s2000's performance>looks
s2000's performance>looks
01-20-2004, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
What planet were you from again?
What planet were you from again?
The s2k has a high hp number... great... it is useless. The new year model has a lower power band to make the car more practical.
The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor... a high tech motor that is more fun to look at on paper than it is to drive.
01-20-2004, 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
This one. The one where a car can look better than it performs. Didn't you see my description?
The s2k has a high hp number... great... it is useless. The new year model has a lower power band to make the car more practical.
The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor... a high tech motor that is more fun to look at on paper than it is to drive.
This one. The one where a car can look better than it performs. Didn't you see my description?
The s2k has a high hp number... great... it is useless. The new year model has a lower power band to make the car more practical.
The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor... a high tech motor that is more fun to look at on paper than it is to drive.
The S2000 is an extreme car and is just an all out blast to drive in the twisties.
But that might be hard for you to understand Mr. "Big engine means big power means better car, grunt."
01-20-2004, 12:59 PM
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hP/L doesn't really mean anything although I think the s2000 is the best performing sportscar at ~30k and deserves some respect. The new mps miata should be a decent performer but I'm not sure that it will top the s2000.
01-20-2004, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
This one. The one where a car can look better than it performs. Didn't you see my description?
The s2k has a high hp number... great... it is useless. The new year model has a lower power band to make the car more practical.
The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor... a high tech motor that is more fun to look at on paper than it is to drive.
This one. The one where a car can look better than it performs. Didn't you see my description?
The s2k has a high hp number... great... it is useless. The new year model has a lower power band to make the car more practical.
The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor... a high tech motor that is more fun to look at on paper than it is to drive.
Are you kidding?!!!!!!!!!!
01-20-2004, 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by heyitsme
hP/L doesn't really mean anything although I think the s2000 is the best performing sportscar at ~30k and deserves some respect. The new mps miata should be a decent performer but I'm not sure that it will top the s2000.
hP/L doesn't really mean anything although I think the s2000 is the best performing sportscar at ~30k and deserves some respect. The new mps miata should be a decent performer but I'm not sure that it will top the s2000.
01-20-2004, 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
The 2.0 in the S2000 had the highest liter/hp ratio of a NA I4. The little 2.0 could posts better numbers than performance cars with much larger, more powerful engines. This is an engine that sings at high rpm. It's an engine that's more fun to drive than it looks on paper...if you know how to drive it. The S2000 is by far, the best handling car I've driven and it occasionally even gets the handling nod over some mid-engines.
The S2000 is an extreme car and is just an all out blast to drive in the twisties.
But that might be hard for you to understand Mr. "Big engine means big power means better car, grunt."
The 2.0 in the S2000 had the highest liter/hp ratio of a NA I4. The little 2.0 could posts better numbers than performance cars with much larger, more powerful engines. This is an engine that sings at high rpm. It's an engine that's more fun to drive than it looks on paper...if you know how to drive it. The S2000 is by far, the best handling car I've driven and it occasionally even gets the handling nod over some mid-engines.
The S2000 is an extreme car and is just an all out blast to drive in the twisties.
But that might be hard for you to understand Mr. "Big engine means big power means better car, grunt."
I guess I also dont know anything about a car that sings at high rpm's, considering I am the previous owner of two rx-7's... (a car that revved to over 9.5k...) by the way an rx7 engine is onlt 1.3 liters... the NA versions make 160 hp... that is over 100hp per liter...
No one doubts that an s2k can handle. What I was saying is that it's power is mostly useless... YOu can ask s2k owners about that. Also, dont forget, Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races... Who wants to slip their clutch from 4+k just to get up a steep driveway.
The utility of the s2k is minimal. That is all I said. Oh yeah, and it is slow... But that doesnt matter... It looks good, as I said, that was the only thing it has in my book. I have driven faster cars and cars that handle better... So my view might be skewed, but I might also have a broader spectrum...
01-20-2004, 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
From a technological standpoint, it means a lot. From a weight to hp standpoint, it means a lot. From a front end weight to handling standpoint, it means a lot. My
From a technological standpoint, it means a lot. From a weight to hp standpoint, it means a lot. From a front end weight to handling standpoint, it means a lot. My
Power to wieght means EVERYTHING! But using that 240hp doesnt mean much... Once you see a dyno graph you will know what I mean.
Obviously, technically arguing with some people is useless. All they want to do is quote hp numbers and paper stats. Most of them dont mean shit in the real world.
01-20-2004, 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
Obviously, technically arguing with some people is useless. All they want to do is quote hp numbers and paper stats. Most of them dont mean shit in the real world.
Obviously, technically arguing with some people is useless. All they want to do is quote hp numbers and paper stats. Most of them dont mean shit in the real world.
I've driven both a Cobra and a S2000. The Cobra was fun...I liked it alot. It was fast and powerful, but it felt like a boat compared to the S2000. Sure, you're not going to get muscle car performance out of the S2000...but the high points in the S2000 come from the finesse. It's something you're not into, I can understand that. But don't downplay (or bash) something as less than it is just because it's not your cup of tea.
Yes, the RX-7 had a high liter/hp ratio. The rotory engine is a marvel of technology. But it's not a very reliable engine. And notice I said "The 2.0 in the S2000 had the highest liter/hp ratio of a NA I4" not "The 2.0 in the S2000 had the highest liter/hp ratio of any NA engine". Plus, it's a very reliable engine even at that hp.
Oh, and in regards to your utility comment...the thing is a freakin' roadster...it's not supposed to be utilitarian. It's supposed to be fun. And that's something it excels at.
01-20-2004, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
From a technological standpoint, it means a lot. From a weight to hp standpoint, it means a lot. From a front end weight to handling standpoint, it means a lot. My
From a technological standpoint, it means a lot. From a weight to hp standpoint, it means a lot. From a front end weight to handling standpoint, it means a lot. My
For the first, who cares? That's bragging rights.
The seconds has been proven wrong again and again. Meaning, bigger engine does not necessarily mean heavier engine. The 6.0 liter V8 in the new C6 is lighter than the 5.7 liter C5 LS1 engine. Numerous examples about the last argument.
So really....HP/liter does not really mean much today. Hence I'd prefer a larger 4 or better yet, a small V6 or I6 in the S2000 and have a lot better low and mid range torque than the top end strength of the 2.0 in the S2000. But then again, that's subjective most of the time. Hence this endless argument about HP/liter, etc.
01-20-2004, 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
Has anyone here ever seen a s2k Dyno... Tell me how much power it has MOST OF TIME... however it spikes at 8500... wow... THat rules. I only accelerate at 7k... and ONLY for 2000 RPM's.
Power to wieght means EVERYTHING! But using that 240hp doesnt mean much... Once you see a dyno graph you will know what I mean.
Obviously, technically arguing with some people is useless. All they want to do is quote hp numbers and paper stats. Most of them dont mean shit in the real world.
Has anyone here ever seen a s2k Dyno... Tell me how much power it has MOST OF TIME... however it spikes at 8500... wow... THat rules. I only accelerate at 7k... and ONLY for 2000 RPM's.
Power to wieght means EVERYTHING! But using that 240hp doesnt mean much... Once you see a dyno graph you will know what I mean.
Obviously, technically arguing with some people is useless. All they want to do is quote hp numbers and paper stats. Most of them dont mean shit in the real world.
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I think what 351MachOne is trying to say is that between 2500 rpm and 4500 rpm which is where most people are during every day driving conditions, the S2000's engine has an output of a rediculous for a sports car 110 lb-ft RW torque (possibly 135 crank torque). That's between 45 RWHP and 90 RWHP. I think that's what his point is of usable power, which is exactly why I personally do not like engines with a strong top end and a patheticly weak low and mid range.
01-20-2004, 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by gavriil
Stock 2002 S2000.
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I think what 351MachOne is trying to say is that between 2500 rpm and 4500 rpm which is where most people are during every day driving conditions, the S2000's engine has an output of a rediculous for a sports car 110 lb-ft RW torque (possibly 135 crank torque). That's between 45 RWHP and 90 RWHP. I think that's what his point is of usable power, which is exactly why I personally do not like engines with a strong top end and a patheticly weak low and mid range.
Stock 2002 S2000.
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I think what 351MachOne is trying to say is that between 2500 rpm and 4500 rpm which is where most people are during every day driving conditions, the S2000's engine has an output of a rediculous for a sports car 110 lb-ft RW torque (possibly 135 crank torque). That's between 45 RWHP and 90 RWHP. I think that's what his point is of usable power, which is exactly why I personally do not like engines with a strong top end and a patheticly weak low and mid range.
Thank you. I am not bashing the s2000. I was just pointing out what "I THINK" are its' weaknesses.
01-20-2004, 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by mackers
every redneck in the world drives a mustang and parks it outside his double wide
every redneck in the world drives a mustang and parks it outside his double wide
You are pathetic.
At least my trailer has a this trashy 386 and a 2400bps modem... It takes me 23hours just type useless bullshit on the internet.
01-20-2004, 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
Thank you. I am not bashing the s2000. I was just pointing out what "I THINK" are its' weaknesses.
Thank you. I am not bashing the s2000. I was just pointing out what "I THINK" are its' weaknesses.
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
Yep, I'm a dumb redneck. I bought the cheapest Mustang possible JUST TO PARK it outside my double wide.
You are pathetic.
At least my trailer has a this trashy 386 and a 2400bps modem... It takes me 23hours just type useless bullshit on the internet.
Yep, I'm a dumb redneck. I bought the cheapest Mustang possible JUST TO PARK it outside my double wide.
You are pathetic.
At least my trailer has a this trashy 386 and a 2400bps modem... It takes me 23hours just type useless bullshit on the internet.
01-21-2004, 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
"The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor"...now, I like the Miata as much as the next guy but this is a derogatory statement used to degrade the S2000.
"The s2k is a Miata with a high tech motor"...now, I like the Miata as much as the next guy but this is a derogatory statement used to degrade the S2000.
And I stand by my statement. A glorified Miata. That isn't derogatory... Glorified... See, it sound's fine...
01-21-2004, 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by 351MachOne
I love Miata's. Went as far as to Supercharge a buddy of mines Miatas. The s2k is a roadster, you said it yourself. The Mazda Miata re-invented the Roadster in 1990... Basically the first next gen roadster...
And I stand by my statement. A glorified Miata. That isn't derogatory... Glorified... See, it sound's fine...
I love Miata's. Went as far as to Supercharge a buddy of mines Miatas. The s2k is a roadster, you said it yourself. The Mazda Miata re-invented the Roadster in 1990... Basically the first next gen roadster...
And I stand by my statement. A glorified Miata. That isn't derogatory... Glorified... See, it sound's fine...
01-21-2004, 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by charliemike
I can't agree with you ... the original Miata was not half the car the S2000 is ... Hell the current Miata is not half the car the S2000 is (IMO).
I can't agree with you ... the original Miata was not half the car the S2000 is ... Hell the current Miata is not half the car the S2000 is (IMO).
As for your next statement, I simply disagree. The s2k is faster, handles slightly better, but will cost you 35k... Also, the s2k is all you get. There is basically no room for improvement. The Miata has almost limitless modifications, and better yet they are really cheap.
I guess I am just partial to Mazda. However, I have been in and driven an s2k. I have also driven several Miatas, including a sc'd one. Anyway, this thread has departedfrom it's topic quite a bit...
Is anyone here really in the market for a 35k roadster?