gavriil

Honda recalls 651,809 vehicles for ignition defect


By Rip Watson / Bloomberg News

Honda Motor Co. recalled about 652,000 cars, minivans and sport-utilities to fix an ignition- system flaw that may cause the vehicles to roll after they've been stopped and the keys removed, a U.S. agency said.

The recall affects 1997 to 1999 Acura sedans, 1998 and 1999 Accord sedans, 1999 Odyssey minivans and 2002 CR-V sport- utilities, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on its Web site. Metal particles in the key cylinders may interfere with a device that's supposed to prevent the key from being removed if the vehicle isn't in "park," the agency said.

The Washington-based agency last month upgraded an investigation of the vehicles after 169 complaints, 28 incidents and three injuries were reported. One driver reported an injury after he exited his car and it began rolling. The driver had left the car in neutral and withdrew the ignition key, NHTSA said.

The Tokyo-based automaker plans to notify CR-V owners in December of the recall and owners of other models from January, Honda spokesman Andy Boyd said. The company will replace the ignition key assembly if it's found to be worn after an inspection, he said. In the interim, Honda is advising customers to set the parking brake after removing the key from the ignition.

"It's a fairly simple and inexpensive repair," Boyd said. "Not every vehicle that's recalled will need the repair, so the cost shouldn't be that great."

Automakers typically pay for recalls out of reserves set aside for that purpose.

zeroday

which is likely the only time honda/acura will actually recall something voluntarily

gavriil

What are you hinting here?

zeroday

shoulda been a recall for the 01+ 5at CL/TL trannies. IMHO they chose not to because it would be extremely expensive.

gavriil

Isnt it possible for the 01s to be using a different system?

zeroday

no plenty of 01's have had tranny failures. that's a seperate issue though. the affected trannies should have been recalled.

but since you brought it up...if the 01 trannies were fine why wouldn't they be sticking 01 trannies in problematic 02's and 03's.

ApocalypseCL

yep i just got my letter and i have to go in and fix it soon.

shaHn78

I agree.

And it took nearly 7 years for Honda to implement this recall??

Mitosis is slowly starting to remind me of the words Honda & Trust.

Chaptorial

Good we're in the clear on this on.

planman

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031103/lam139_1.html

What I want to know is...how did enough people yank their keys out of the ignition with the car in gear for this recall to be necessary in the first place?

EDIT: Woo-hoo! I'm senior now.

tycoon

Maybe the key just fell off while driving?
My father had to go see the dealer for this recall...

gavriil

Honda recalls 600,000 light-truck models - - Automotive News / April 14, 2004

American Honda Motor Co. on Wednesday said it is voluntarily recalling about 600,000 Honda and Acura light truck models with V6 engines and automatic transmissions to check for a possible problem that could lead to a broken gear.

Recalled vehicles include the 2002, 2003, and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans; 2003 and early 2004 Honda Pilots; and the 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX.

The automaker said the problem stems from insufficient lubrication of the transmission's secondary shaft second gear. Extended operation could lead to heat build-up, which can cause chipped or broken gear teeth or more severe gear damage. In extreme circumstances, the automaker said the transmission could lock up.

American Honda said it knows of ten transmission failure reports in the United States and Canada related to this defect. No injuries have been reported.

The automaker said it would inspect transmissions to spot problems. If it sees any, it will replace the transmission assembly.

gavriil

I wonder how different our tranny is than the above vehicles recalled.

fahoumh

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...hreadid=137466

pimpscls

da damn trannys , Whats new

1SICKLEX

Same tranny, too much power. Honda's have seriously upped the power in recent years but clearly, no beefed up tranny.

For those that don't know, when u go F/I to add more power, either the tranny is reinforced or a stronger tranny is put in to handle the extra power.

gavriil

Yes but this is a subject that's of automotive news nature. The moderator from Car Talk should have moved it here if anything...

gavriil

Aggred, but how is FI related here?

fahoumh

Just an FYI if you missed the thread to which I linked.

acura1983

POS Acura tranny's

Chaptorial

Again with the tranny's.

ABP-CL9-TSX

From Canadian Driver.

May 28, 2004

Honda recalls 600,000 Odysseys, Pilots, MDXs


Washington, D.C. - Honda is recalling approximately 600,000 Odyssey minivans, Pilot SUVs, and Acura MDX SUVs, model years 2001-2004, to inspect the automatic transmission for possible wear or damage. The company says certain operating conditions can result in heat build-up between the countershaft and secondary shaft second gears in the automatic transmission, eventually leading to gear tooth chipping or gear breakage. Gear failure could result in transmission lockup, increasing the risk of a crash. On vehicles with 15,000 miles or less, the dealer will update the transmission with a revision to the oil cooler return line to increase lubrication to the second gear. On vehicles with more than 15,000 miles, the dealer will inspect the transmission to identify gears that have already experienced discoloration due to overheating. If discoloration exists, the transmission will be replaced. If discoloration is not present, the dealer will install the change to the oil cooler return line.

In other recall news...Ford is recalling 321,903 Escape SUVs, and Mazda is recalling 106,000 Tribute SUVs, model years 2001-2003, to reprogram the Powertrain Control Module on V6 engines to prevent stalling.....GM is recalling 389,905 Cadillac Eldorado, Seville, and Devilles, model years 1995-1997, to install a new fuel rail assembly that could degrade and crack leaking fuel into the engine compartment.......BMW is recalling 25,270 5-Series cars, model years 1996-1997, to install a retaining clip to the underside of the front spring strut plates to prevent them cracking. The company is also recalling 13,769 Z4s, model years 2003-2004, to install a resistor in the electrical line powering the fuel pump in order to prevent vapour lock.......Nissan is recalling 26,000 Quest minivans, model year 2004, to replace the actuator for the power sliding doors. Under certain conditions, the doors may not close properly, and open unexpectedly......Isuzu Motors has recalled 72,905 Troopers, model years 1992-1995, to repair a sticky accelerator cable.

Source

biker

That will be an expensive recall.

Hope Honda gets better with their ATs.

Another reason to get an MT.

speedzer

this recall was annouced a month or two ago.

Dan Martin

Sorry Mr. Chen but.....

dom

Hmmm, I know we saw this a while back but its May 28 news on canadiandriver.com.

Dan Martin

Wow, thats' some first rate reporting there. I mean CBC even mentioned it in the nightly news the day it happened.

ABP-CL9-TSX

I know I heard about it a month ago too, but why they put the article up late?

taewlee

cause they are gaaaay! w00t w00t!

Dan Martin

kurt_bradley

Old news. Most of the cars just get an oil jet kit for second gear. They haven't had to replace any large sum of tranies. The ones that have had the replacement have had around 100k miles on them.

jaje

the failure rate is so low on these even on high mileage cars it doesn't justify a recall...but i think honda is doing this b/c of the previous trannies on the accord, TL and CL

1SICKLEX

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...ao&refer=japan

American Honda Expands Voluntary Transmission Recall to Certain Honda and Acura Automobiles

TORRANCE, Calif., June 29, 2004 -- American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today announced that it will expand its existing voluntary recall of light truck models for a potential transmission defect to include certain Honda and Acura passenger cars. The voluntary action involves approximately 499,000 Honda and Acura passenger vehicles with V6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions. Affected models include certain 2003 and early 2004 model Accord V6 sedans and coupes, 2000-2003 and early 2004 Acura TL sedans, and 2001-2003 Acura CL coupes.

The company has found only one confirmed instance of a transmission failure related to this defect in its passenger cars, with no accidents or injuries. “We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn’t become an issue for our customers,’” said Tom Elliott, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the transmission’s secondary shaft second gear that can occur under certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible locking of the vehicle’s transmission, creating a potential safety hazard.

Dan Martin

This doesn't sound like the same problem that most are having but it's good to see that Honda is finally realizing that their automatic transmissions blow goats.

provench

The guys at a-cl must be going nuts over this ...

dom

"and early 2004 TL sedans"

1SICKLEX

http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosins...s-199589.htmhe American work ethic is just terrible!

Junkster

You know, other plants in regions other than Detroit are doing pretty well for their part, as well as the non-unioned plants.
It's one of two things with car problems... either design flaw or assembly flaw. US makers have too much of both.

Junkster, who thinks American work ethic is truely horrible.

provench

wow - I missed that ... that's BAD ... come on Honda!

robert_tsxgeek

I know TLs are US-made,
where are the other models made ?