F23A4

Just pricing a fully loaded 335i coupe came to $54,215!!!

MSRP $40,600
Options and accessories $12,920
Destination charge $695
Total price as built* $54,215

....although it does undercut the equivalent CLK350 by $4k.

cob3683

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cob3683

Just built one the way I would want it.....$47,220. Pretty reasonable

bigman

slap a 4.10 gear in there and say buh-bye to the M3.

Maximized

Pretty amazing technology. Most of the German manufacturers will use it within the next couple of years. I think Audi/VW were the pioneers here in the US.

charliemike

Do you like doing 5k RPM at 70mph?

oem tsx

i've read some articles where the SMG and DSG were both slower than the old school manual. does anyone have proof SMG and DSG german cars are faster than the regular manual?

"This technique can't beat an expert's foot on a clutch, however. Our most recent three-pedal M3 outran the SMG by 0.3 second, with the entire advantage gained in first gear. The SMG hit 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and ran the quarter in 13.4, 0.3 second slower than our long-term M3 at both points, and each crossed the quarter-mile at 107 mph, suggesting they were equally powerful. Running in the A5 mode slowed the SMG by another 0.2 second.
BMW claims that performance, not convenience, is SMG's raison d'être. Our numbers don't prove that out, but we do think there's $2472 worth of convenience here
"
car and driver

i also remember reading 2 or 3 more articles claiming DSG and SMG are all slower. more bullshit?

charliemike

I recently read that the TT DSG or GTI DSG was quicker than the 6-spd counterpart.

I think DSG and SMG are different enough technologies to not be lumped together?

Crazy Bimmer

Well from what i hear, the problem with the SMG and 1/4 times is that its hard to launch a m3 with SMG. Even with launch control.

ilitig8

That is the key difference. I launch at 4500 rpm where even the Euro launch control launches much lower, US at 1800! Having driven both I think a well executed power shift also produces a more vertical acceleration trace for the 3 pedal car BUT any lift shift is slower than the S6 setting on the SMG. Bottom line the 1/4 mile will be faster in a 3 pedal car as long as the clutch pumper doesn't make a mistake, but he will have to abuse the drive train to do it. From a roll the cars will be very close as long as their are no mistakes. On a road course all the perfect heal toeing in the world (fun none the less) will not help the three pedal car, the equal SMG driver will have lower lap times the vast majority of the time.

F23A4

<---- would still wait to see the final production model of the 2007 G35 Coupe before grabbing the 335i....which hopefully will not sticker for much more than the $42,430 on a fully loaded 06 G-coupe.

charliemike

Did BMW not agree to abide by the new SAE regs?

$47k might be a good deal based on performance but the 335i coupe isn't nearly as aggressive as the M3 so

cmschmie

This may have been said before, but I'm not searching through 25 pages of posts to find it:

I am assuming the 335 will be BMW's first turbo (non-diesel). Those first year buyers are going to be nothing but guinea pigs for the service departments around the country. There was nothing wrong with the NA straight sixes they've used for years, why the heck are they going turbo?!?!

btw.....I am now accepting donations so I can buy an M3 sedan when it arrives

oem tsx

man... you guys make me do work... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...ostid=25075566
here's another review from the mother of vw forums. but anyways, dsg and smg haven't achieved crap but make you shell out more money for a phancy auto. its really designed to allow guys who can't drive stick feel better about themselves by spending more money.

Mokos23

BMW still needs to work on their interior and gauges, they're pitifully ugly to me.

oem tsx

i think i read somewhere 96% of new bmw's sold are all autos while acura is around 80%, mostly rsx mt buyers i bet. maybe volkswagen sports car also have a high percentage of automatic buyers as well so both brands are trying to cash in performance automatic gimics?

charliemike

The first in the states supposedly. The 2002 and the 745i were turbo'd in Europe.

savage

uhm... did engine sounds sweet in the video, those germans were pissed and i think i am sold... it has that M3 presence with the wide stance and lowered ride...

it looks great IMO and everyone who shit on it will be eating their own words when the cameo comes off..

i bet half the body panels arent even the real ones. The rear bumper looks like its right off a 335 with extra wide notches cut out for the exhaust. The front fender does not appear to have the expected M grill on the side. The front bumper is complete cameoflaged other than the center. The hood has plenty of cameo to hide the "power bulge" of the engine. Too much is still hidden...

cob3683

I've been thinking of doing that.

I just hope Infiniti upgrades the next G's interior like they did with the M....can't stand the current interior.

Yumcha

Cabriolet images:

F23A4

Looks the cabrio will have fairly roomy back seat.

Yumcha

Well, the rear of the cabrio is wayyyy too long IMO...if I had to pick the lesser ugly of the 3ers, I'll take the coupe.



Coupe > Sedan > > Cabrio

Crazy Bimmer

Seriously, did you not read anything that was said. DSG and SMG are hard to launch, its not meant for 1/4 times. Put them on a road course or from a roll.. then the outcomes will be different. DSG/SMG can shift faster than a standard manual, its been proven many times. You just cant dump the clutch at launch as aggressively.

From all your posts, i can easily say that you should stay out of car talk areas.

Crazy Bimmer

Better gas mileage and more usable torque.

Newplay1

New Jersey plate lol..

Newplay1

You can't really make out the lines from the black M3 but I love it already hahaha..

Doom878

Should be in a week or so that we start seeing some dual exhaust E90's.

broly

Thank you.

Atleast someone knows what the frig SMG is all about.

2 pedal manual 4 life.


Those who insult SMG have no idea how crisp it really can shift, and how quick and efficient it is. I'm not after Quarter mile, I"m after launch. I'm a municipal driver.

I'll take shots of my carbon black one once it comes in, has navi and all them whistles/

vishnus11

Having driven both my 06 S2k and my uncles 3.2TT DSG Roadster back to back quite extensively, I can attest that a bloke in the S2k would have a tough time shifting as fast as the DSG gearbox. Even if you could shift that fast, it'd be tough to blip the throttle as PER-fectly as the DSG box can on the downshifts. For those talking about DSG: I strongly suggest you take a DSG equipped vehicle for a run before calling it the "rich man's auto" or whatever crap.

I believe in the DSG box there's no torque interruption between gearshifts. You can definetely feel an unending surge of power, unlike the pause necessitated in 3 pedals cars during the upshift. And I've never felt upshifts as smooth as those in the DSG box. Blows away the auto shifts in my TL.

With that said, I think I'd prefer the 3 pedal car more: something about perfectly rev matching and heel and toeing, and skipping gears at will (DSG can't skip), just does it for me. But I've got nothing but praise for DSG: its a fantastic piece of tech, and undoubtedly one of the reasons why they fitted it to the mother-of-all cars, the Veyron.

And yes, DSG and SMG are two differet technologies. DSG uses twin clutches to execute super smooth, super fast shifts.

EDIT: One "caveat" if you will about DSG. Say you in 6th cruising on the hwy, and call for a quick 2 gear downshift with a couple taps on the left paddle. Since 6th and 4th are on the same shaft, the box has to preload fifth and then go to 4th, there's a slight dealy. The delay isn't irritating or huge, but its there.

Infamous425

seriously, someone ban that idiot

chungkopi

too long. i always hated cabrio.

Beltfed

The E46 cab looks long also from the side profile.

The wheels on the above car look like 17s, that color is also nasty.

Wait until you see an Alpine white 335 vert with the sport package 18s.

I'm sure it will be nice.

The rear is still a bit questionable without having seen one yet.

Lot of people are saying the coupe looks much better in person.

charliemike

The 328Ci looks like crap compared to the 335Ci. What a disappointment.

FlyingPig

The cabrio doesn't look all that pretty...but it looks very functional.
I know I'm showing my age, but give me the cabrio.
So, when and how much??

Crazy Bimmer

Whats so different?

Standard wheels on the 328i are ugly but thats about it. I sorta like the mesh sport wheels on the 328i better than the sport wheels on the 335i.

Infamous425

Crazy Bimmer

biker

If it holds true, the gas milage numbers would be pretty impresive.

vishnus11

lol, good catch. 30mpg on the hwy, 300 horses, and M3 like performance. All is right with the world

Call me a crazy man, but I don't like the coupe's "elongated" rear section. The quarter panel seems too long. Maybe it just needs to be seen in person.

cM3go

I want the cab!!!