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01-18-2004, 04:45 PM
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I agree....where does it fit? I like it. not "WOW" but better than some entry level converts....am I wrong in thinking that a 2-series will be in the mid-$20K?
01-18-2004, 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Chaptorial
What would this be competing against?
Looks ok.
What would this be competing against?
Looks ok.
01-18-2004, 06:25 PM
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If bmw isnt careful they are going to get themselves into shit with having TOO MANY models.
I'd be willing to bet this is one of many reasons why mercedes started to fall off the map in terms of quality. Just too many things in the line-up.
I think BMW needs to stick to their niche, where they have been so successful for years rather then try and appeal to the masses.
I'd be willing to bet this is one of many reasons why mercedes started to fall off the map in terms of quality. Just too many things in the line-up.
I think BMW needs to stick to their niche, where they have been so successful for years rather then try and appeal to the masses.
01-18-2004, 07:18 PM
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If I want a 20k car, I'll buy a Nissan, Mazdaa, hell a TSX, etc. BMW needs to STAY THE HELL AWAY. They are killing themselves. Didn't they upgrade to I-6s only (got rid of the I-4s)in the 3 series. Now they are going back to it?
I guess BMW wants to be everything to everybody? From 20k-150k?
The car doesn't look bad at all, but I can only imagine what 3 owners would say.
I guess BMW wants to be everything to everybody? From 20k-150k?
The car doesn't look bad at all, but I can only imagine what 3 owners would say.
01-19-2004, 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
If bmw isnt careful they are going to get themselves into shit with having TOO MANY models.
I'd be willing to bet this is one of many reasons why mercedes started to fall off the map in terms of quality. Just too many things in the line-up.
I think BMW needs to stick to their niche, where they have been so successful for years rather then try and appeal to the masses.
If bmw isnt careful they are going to get themselves into shit with having TOO MANY models.
I'd be willing to bet this is one of many reasons why mercedes started to fall off the map in terms of quality. Just too many things in the line-up.
I think BMW needs to stick to their niche, where they have been so successful for years rather then try and appeal to the masses.
01-21-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I guess BMW wants to be everything to everybody? From 20k-150k?
I guess BMW wants to be everything to everybody? From 20k-150k?
It's all about brand loyality. You see it here. Lots of people here would never buy anything other then a honda/acura product. Why?? 'Cause they probably bought a civic when they were young, liked it, and continue to buy H/A products.
BMW doesn't have a cheap entry level car (does the mini-cooper count ??
) They get you hooked on the cheap stuff, and then string you along like a junkie
01-21-2004, 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
If bmw isnt careful they are going to get themselves into shit with having TOO MANY models.
I'd be willing to bet this is one of many reasons why mercedes started to fall off the map in terms of quality. Just too many things in the line-up.
I think BMW needs to stick to their niche, where they have been so successful for years rather then try and appeal to the masses.
If bmw isnt careful they are going to get themselves into shit with having TOO MANY models.
I'd be willing to bet this is one of many reasons why mercedes started to fall off the map in terms of quality. Just too many things in the line-up.
I think BMW needs to stick to their niche, where they have been so successful for years rather then try and appeal to the masses.
01-21-2004, 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
If I want a 20k car, I'll buy a Nissan, Mazdaa, hell a TSX, etc. BMW needs to STAY THE HELL AWAY. They are killing themselves. Didn't they upgrade to I-6s only (got rid of the I-4s)in the 3 series. Now they are going back to it?
If I want a 20k car, I'll buy a Nissan, Mazdaa, hell a TSX, etc. BMW needs to STAY THE HELL AWAY. They are killing themselves. Didn't they upgrade to I-6s only (got rid of the I-4s)in the 3 series. Now they are going back to it?
I think BMW has room for growth in this segment of the market. They proved it with the MINI and although it does not carry the BMW name, it is not perceived negatively by the market. A MINI is not considered a luxury brand but it has better reputation than a Sunfire, for example.
01-21-2004, 09:47 PM
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The mini is a lot about history and styling like the beetle. I think it will be hard for Bmw to compete in the under 30k market because of the premium price they want to charge for cars with, letsays, subpar features compared to the non luxury companies that are packing big v6's and standard feature lists.
07-01-2005, 05:02 PM
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Some interesting 2 series photos here...
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...ssageID=201855
It's going to start to get real interesting soon... With rumors of a sub-nsx coupe from acura, the return of the supra, redesigned g35, etc. etc... it's going to be tough to decided what car I'm going to by next... That's a good thing...
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...ssageID=201855
It's going to start to get real interesting soon... With rumors of a sub-nsx coupe from acura, the return of the supra, redesigned g35, etc. etc... it's going to be tough to decided what car I'm going to by next... That's a good thing...
07-02-2005, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by stopsign
That link has the so called spy pictures posted from early 2004. somehow that thread got bumped as well from someone posting in 5/2005.
07-02-2005, 09:19 AM
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Like the 1 series this might be a non issue for the NA market cause it probably won't be sold there. A 125 to compete against the A3 at $25k might make sense if the A3 takes off, but what's the appeal of a $27K 225? If folks thought the interior of the E90 325 was cheap, imagine how much more BMW would have to cut out for a 125/225 at 5-8K less.
And are we sure about this naming convention - I thought when the 4 series idea got shelved, they would so away with the 2 series idea also.
And are we sure about this naming convention - I thought when the 4 series idea got shelved, they would so away with the 2 series idea also.
07-02-2005, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
Like the 1 series this might be a non issue for the NA market cause it probably won't be sold there. A 125 to compete against the A3 at $25k might make sense if the A3 takes off, but what's the appeal of a $27K 225? If folks thought the interior of the E90 325 was cheap, imagine how much more BMW would have to cut out for a 125/225 at 5-8K less.
And are we sure about this naming convention - I thought when the 4 series idea got shelved, they would so away with the 2 series idea also.
And are we sure about this naming convention - I thought when the 4 series idea got shelved, they would so away with the 2 series idea also.
However, I guarantee if they put the propeller on a box of dogshit they'd sell a ton
07-02-2005, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
Like the 1 series this might be a non issue for the NA market cause it probably won't be sold there. A 125 to compete against the A3 at $25k might make sense if the A3 takes off, but what's the appeal of a $27K 225? If folks thought the interior of the E90 325 was cheap, imagine how much more BMW would have to cut out for a 125/225 at 5-8K less.
If BMW comes out with a 2700 RWD coupe with 200+ hp for under $30K, I'd be interested..
07-03-2005, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
BMW may be looking to run some competition against the TSX...
If BMW comes out with a 2700 RWD coupe with 200+ hp for under $30K, I'd be interested..
If BMW comes out with a 2700 RWD coupe with 200+ hp for under $30K, I'd be interested..
07-03-2005, 10:00 AM
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Yeah, but when a Civic Si can handle/perform the same (cause that 225 will not weigh 2700# but at least 3000#+) with a much nicer interiror for at least 5K less.....
07-03-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
Yeah, but when a Civic Si can handle/perform the same (cause that 225 will not weigh 2700# but at least 3000#+) with a much nicer interiror for at least 5K less.....
10-02-2012, 11:16 PM
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BMW: 2-Series news
Spiritual successor to the E46? 
http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=752970
http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=752970
BMW 2er Gran Coupe and 2er Gran Sport Tourer.
In a strategy to bring a more radical approach to the compact segment in terms of innovation and desirability. BMW are currently working on an entirely introductory downsized luxury model for the compact segment. Spurred on by an increasing demand for downsized luxury cars and potential competitors from Audi and Mercedes-Benz.
BMW are set to introduce their 2er line in a more expansive programme emulating the larger 6er and forthcoming 4er family line to offer the customer a more sporting and exclusive option.
The key symmetrical approach for BMW would be to develop a 1er Sedan off of their new modular FWD architecture alongside a currently in development MINI sedan - aimed at increasing the potential of the popular small car in markets where small sedans are showing exceptional growth such as China and the US. BMW reckon that given the global outlook for small sedans. A MINI sedan could in theory be the best selling MINI after the current MINI Countryman. A FWD BMW 1er sedan would be the logical choice so it can be engineered alongside the MINI sedan. Except for one small issue... BMW customers want a RWD small sedan.
2 SERIES GRAN COUPE
BMW are pushing ahead with their Gran Coupe series to accomodate the 4er after the introduction of the BMW 6er Gran Coupe.
The BMW 2er Gran Coupe now extends the 2er family and will offer a more flexible option for the customer that likes Coupe looks and performance but needs that extra practicality but finds the current 3er out of range or too large for their needs.
Excitement is what BMW wants to create in the FWD dominated compact segment and the Gran Coupe (RWD) is a car to bring classic sporting BMW values and a sense of tradition against modern rivals.
The 2er line showcases in design the need for individuality and seperation against its bretheren with both the RWD and FWD BMW 1er models showcasing this intention to highlight the more sportier look of the seperate 2er.
The 2er Gran Coupe showcases an individual appearance for the front and rear ends of the car over the current distinctive 1er. Their is a bloodline on the upcoming Coupe and Cabrio models but it is at the mid-line where the glasshouse meets the shoulder line when the car gets interesting. Because of the stretch to accomodate a slightly lengthened platform as per the other Gran Coupe models the elongated roofline is lower ,more rounded and coupe esque in profile which fits in well with the short overhangs both front and rear of the 2er and that typical BMW wheel at each corner make it look almost like the E46 3er in side profile and in every respect as desirable as an E46.
2 SERIES GRAN SPORT TOURER
The next 2er model showcases BMW innovation at its strongest especially for the experimental compact segment. A Touring would be the conventional reaction but BMW are defying the conventional in what to bring to an exciting growth segment , a concept which is appealing to those that desire something innovative and fresh in design but still combining practicality and exclusivity and that all important premium feel.
BMW are currently looking at the creation of another line - "Gran Tourer" to showcase more desirable and stylish approach to re-inventing the Touring for customers that would prefer more exclusivity than utility and to appeal to markets where the wagon (Touring) is all but dead.The Gran Tourer line is being investigated with a 6er model and potentially a 4er model being more exclusive and stylish Shooting Brakes.
Given BMW's design director Adrian Van Hooydunk's admiration for the Hyundai Veloster . The 2er Gran Sport Tourer aims to enhance that level of individuality but offer customers the exciting profile of a Coupe and sports tourer, the idea actually comes from BMW's history in the guise of the classic 1600/2002 Touring model or indeed the GT coupe. Sporting looks with reasonable practicality and a full blooded RWD BMW. The Hyundai Veloster evokes an A-symmetrical language something that has been explored at BMW and an interesting feature on the MINI Clubman.
A-Symmetrical design ideas are very much in the plan for BMW and the Gran Sport Tourer takes A-symmetry to a new level of creativity for BMW.
The idea of a Sports Tourer with a split personality - A Jekyll and hyde concept is the idea of having a sportier coupe on the drivers side enhanced by a single large door opening into the passenger compartment. Whilst on the passenger side a conventional door with a recessed rear hinged door opening into the passenger cell.
The car will still be recognisable as a 2er but the more flat raked rear echoes the1600/2002 Touring which allows BMW to showcase a more historical but with added contemporary style link from the 2er to the 2002.
The BMW 2er will be BMW's response to the Mercedes-Benz CLA and Audi A3 Sedan. And it is all about offering new customers and BMW customers that want a more practical sporting sedan the most exciting and dynamic sporting option in this highly competitive segment.
M2 GRAN COUPE?
The priority question has to be what of a BMW M2 Gran Coupe?
Well question of M variants for the Gran Coupe or Gran Sports Tourer are not so advanced as the M2 Coupe is progressing first. The potential is there for a smaller more focused M sedan from customers old and new alike but BMW might just follow suit as the predecessor M3 E30 and only offer a Coupe. As I stated earlier plans for such a model at M for a M2 Gran Coupe is not final at the current time.
Of course many enthusiasts excited at the prospect of a compact RWD M.sedan would be vocal for them not to consider evaluating the idea.
In a strategy to bring a more radical approach to the compact segment in terms of innovation and desirability. BMW are currently working on an entirely introductory downsized luxury model for the compact segment. Spurred on by an increasing demand for downsized luxury cars and potential competitors from Audi and Mercedes-Benz.
BMW are set to introduce their 2er line in a more expansive programme emulating the larger 6er and forthcoming 4er family line to offer the customer a more sporting and exclusive option.
The key symmetrical approach for BMW would be to develop a 1er Sedan off of their new modular FWD architecture alongside a currently in development MINI sedan - aimed at increasing the potential of the popular small car in markets where small sedans are showing exceptional growth such as China and the US. BMW reckon that given the global outlook for small sedans. A MINI sedan could in theory be the best selling MINI after the current MINI Countryman. A FWD BMW 1er sedan would be the logical choice so it can be engineered alongside the MINI sedan. Except for one small issue... BMW customers want a RWD small sedan.
2 SERIES GRAN COUPE
BMW are pushing ahead with their Gran Coupe series to accomodate the 4er after the introduction of the BMW 6er Gran Coupe.
The BMW 2er Gran Coupe now extends the 2er family and will offer a more flexible option for the customer that likes Coupe looks and performance but needs that extra practicality but finds the current 3er out of range or too large for their needs.
Excitement is what BMW wants to create in the FWD dominated compact segment and the Gran Coupe (RWD) is a car to bring classic sporting BMW values and a sense of tradition against modern rivals.
The 2er line showcases in design the need for individuality and seperation against its bretheren with both the RWD and FWD BMW 1er models showcasing this intention to highlight the more sportier look of the seperate 2er.
The 2er Gran Coupe showcases an individual appearance for the front and rear ends of the car over the current distinctive 1er. Their is a bloodline on the upcoming Coupe and Cabrio models but it is at the mid-line where the glasshouse meets the shoulder line when the car gets interesting. Because of the stretch to accomodate a slightly lengthened platform as per the other Gran Coupe models the elongated roofline is lower ,more rounded and coupe esque in profile which fits in well with the short overhangs both front and rear of the 2er and that typical BMW wheel at each corner make it look almost like the E46 3er in side profile and in every respect as desirable as an E46.
2 SERIES GRAN SPORT TOURER
The next 2er model showcases BMW innovation at its strongest especially for the experimental compact segment. A Touring would be the conventional reaction but BMW are defying the conventional in what to bring to an exciting growth segment , a concept which is appealing to those that desire something innovative and fresh in design but still combining practicality and exclusivity and that all important premium feel.
BMW are currently looking at the creation of another line - "Gran Tourer" to showcase more desirable and stylish approach to re-inventing the Touring for customers that would prefer more exclusivity than utility and to appeal to markets where the wagon (Touring) is all but dead.The Gran Tourer line is being investigated with a 6er model and potentially a 4er model being more exclusive and stylish Shooting Brakes.
Given BMW's design director Adrian Van Hooydunk's admiration for the Hyundai Veloster . The 2er Gran Sport Tourer aims to enhance that level of individuality but offer customers the exciting profile of a Coupe and sports tourer, the idea actually comes from BMW's history in the guise of the classic 1600/2002 Touring model or indeed the GT coupe. Sporting looks with reasonable practicality and a full blooded RWD BMW. The Hyundai Veloster evokes an A-symmetrical language something that has been explored at BMW and an interesting feature on the MINI Clubman.
A-Symmetrical design ideas are very much in the plan for BMW and the Gran Sport Tourer takes A-symmetry to a new level of creativity for BMW.
The idea of a Sports Tourer with a split personality - A Jekyll and hyde concept is the idea of having a sportier coupe on the drivers side enhanced by a single large door opening into the passenger compartment. Whilst on the passenger side a conventional door with a recessed rear hinged door opening into the passenger cell.
The car will still be recognisable as a 2er but the more flat raked rear echoes the1600/2002 Touring which allows BMW to showcase a more historical but with added contemporary style link from the 2er to the 2002.
The BMW 2er will be BMW's response to the Mercedes-Benz CLA and Audi A3 Sedan. And it is all about offering new customers and BMW customers that want a more practical sporting sedan the most exciting and dynamic sporting option in this highly competitive segment.
M2 GRAN COUPE?
The priority question has to be what of a BMW M2 Gran Coupe?
Well question of M variants for the Gran Coupe or Gran Sports Tourer are not so advanced as the M2 Coupe is progressing first. The potential is there for a smaller more focused M sedan from customers old and new alike but BMW might just follow suit as the predecessor M3 E30 and only offer a Coupe. As I stated earlier plans for such a model at M for a M2 Gran Coupe is not final at the current time.
Of course many enthusiasts excited at the prospect of a compact RWD M.sedan would be vocal for them not to consider evaluating the idea.
10-03-2012, 05:10 AM
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Good read. I'm waiting for a spiritual successor to the E30 M3. 
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10-03-2012, 09:49 AM
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So now were back to numbering the coupes with even numbers? BMW floated that idea a while back with a 4 series, but it stayed with 3 series coupe designation.
10-03-2012, 09:52 AM
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10-03-2012, 11:52 AM
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The sizzle in the Steak
hmmmmmmmm.......
10-03-2012, 08:08 PM
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Merged. 
10-03-2012, 09:22 PM
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10-30-2012, 03:36 PM
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BMW: 2 Series Gran Coupe
Theophilus Chin and Chris Doane Automotive deliver for Road & Track some great renderings of the 2014 BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe.
The four-door coupe version of the upcoming 2 Series aims to compete with similar offerings from Mercedes (CLA) and Audi (A3 sedan). The BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe will offer to customers the sleekness and design of a coupe with the practicality of a sedan, without going into the 3 Series range of vehicles.
The exterior design is based on the 2 Series Coupe and Convertible models, but with a slightly longer platform to accommodate the sleek roof line and increased size. The 2 Series Gran Coupe sports short overhangs at the front and rear with a coupe-like profile all around.
Under the hood, the 2014 BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe is going to offer a wide range of engines from the 4 and 6-cylinder engine family. The car will retain the rear-wheel drivetrain while the engines will be matted to a six-speed or eight-speed automatic transmissions.
BMW is expected to debut the 2 Series family next year at the Frankfurt Auto Show.
The four-door coupe version of the upcoming 2 Series aims to compete with similar offerings from Mercedes (CLA) and Audi (A3 sedan). The BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe will offer to customers the sleekness and design of a coupe with the practicality of a sedan, without going into the 3 Series range of vehicles.
The exterior design is based on the 2 Series Coupe and Convertible models, but with a slightly longer platform to accommodate the sleek roof line and increased size. The 2 Series Gran Coupe sports short overhangs at the front and rear with a coupe-like profile all around.
Under the hood, the 2014 BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe is going to offer a wide range of engines from the 4 and 6-cylinder engine family. The car will retain the rear-wheel drivetrain while the engines will be matted to a six-speed or eight-speed automatic transmissions.
BMW is expected to debut the 2 Series family next year at the Frankfurt Auto Show.
Source: http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/10/25/re...es-gran-coupe/
10-30-2012, 03:37 PM
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I think it looks promising. Nice design.