skd2k1

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oh excuse me, I didn't mean to disturb all of the delicate geniuses in the room.

oonowindoo

you really can't tell the difference when people are being sarcastic and serious?

go to BMW thread and you will see the same kind of "HATE" from all of us.

We hate all cars, we don't discriminate when it comes to "hate".

oonowindoo

Iforyou

Remember we were talking about the Dyno #s?

It seems the SHAWD TLX is trappin 97mph.... even with the 9AT

what is a typical 3G and 4G's trap MPH?

skd2k1

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sarcastic has red texts.

like I said, if you want to spend your time talking tlx that's your prerogative.

oonowindoo

noob.

AZuser

no improvement over outgoing 2012 TL SH-AWD
vs

Black Tire

^ WTF? What did you do Acura????

Black Tire

When the new Maxima comes out, it will take away whatever shoppers are left for the Acura TLX and tank their numbers.

VR1

I honestly don't think the new Maxima is really going to affect the TLX sales IMO.. I don't see many people cross shopping them.

skd2k1

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^not very sexy, but worth pointing out that the tlx had 225/50R18 95H M+S and the 4g had 245/45R18 96V.

civicdrivr

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The tires aren't a factor in the straight line runs. The trap speed and the 0-60 w/ 1ft rollout is indicative of that.

oonowindoo

Ignore all the 0-60 crap.

Just look at the trap speed @ XX MPH will tell you what kind of acceleration the car should have.

you might think 0.4 in 1/4 is not lot. it is a lot.

justnspace

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agreed with oonowindoo, trap speed will be the real indicator of how fast it is.

justnspace

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Most stock acura's trap in the 93-97mph range.
which is good for mid 14 secs.

justnspace

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so, literally there is no improvement with the TLX in terms of how fast it is.
as 1999 acura's will hit the same trap speed.



this goes with the notion that as we're tearing down these engines, acura is DETUNING them.

less moving parts + less weight WILL equal reliability and more efficiency
however; its still trapping the same as my car, a 2006 TL 6MT.

oonowindoo

We all know that the engine is still pretty much the same even with the DI.

But i am very surprised the 9AT ZF did not improve the car's acceleration like the 8AT ZF in the 3 series.

justnspace

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Detuned.
For what reason?



maybe because Acura is still using FWD
and after 320crank hp; it gets too squirley for the masses or things start to break

oonowindoo

which circles back to my curiosity about the Dyno # that was provided in the previous page. for a car that really has 260+ whp with lower weight and better/faster AT than previous gen, i would expect it trap at least 2-3mph higher.

justnspace

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For some reason; they dont want to exceed 300crankhp.


I wonder if things start to break past that threshold.

JS + XES

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We talking about tires man. Talking about tires.

oonowindoo

i think 300hp is pretty much the limit of J35 unless they literally redesign the whole engine and squeeze every little drop of power with higher compression... think a 3.5L S2000 engine.

But the cost/no low end torque/noise will not be very suitable for Acura family sedan.

civicdrivr

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I disagree. My old, untuned 3.6l (3.7 crank and rods, 3.5 pistons, very mild port and polish) put down 294/275 at the wheels with a 2.5" exhaust. That's about 330-340hp at the crank, and as I said, untuned. It was running very rich above 5k rpms, so there was power still on the table.

With a 3.5l, direct injected engine, they should have no problem making 320/270 at the crank from the factory. They seem to be more about fuel efficiency at this point though, which is why their top-spec TLX is slower than an Accord V6.

justnspace

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I agree with Morgan.

Im above 350 crank hp with my J32 with simple bolt ons.


we're tearing down and building these engines.
a 3.7l J-series engine is capable of 400crank HP with stock parts.


if you look at the components and see what acura does to them, coating the pistons, better cooling jackets, stronger parts, lighter components, less moving parts with each iteration, you'd realize with stock parts one could achieve 320 wheel horsepower.


and I havent even accounted for Direct injection

civicdrivr

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Hondas engines are, much like their engineers, very capable. Its the bean counters that are putting out the sub par products, and leaving it to their ad agency to market it.

MeehowsBRZ

I don't see why people wouldn't. The Maxima will probably offer 99% of the features of the TLX for a lower price.

justnspace

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the marketing sucks so fucking bad.

justnspace

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we know that CAFE plays a big part in how Honda operates.
a stock 2006 TL has better emissions than a civic.

a V6 with 258crank hp puts out less harmful toxins than a civic of the same year.

JS + XES

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Acura.

Advance.

oonowindoo

see when you start talking about aftermarket, then that is another story.

There is a lot more to consider when you deal with mass produced car.
Any manuf. probably can make a 350 or even 400hp 3.5L V6 but when you put MPG, reliability and other things into consideration, i think 300hp is the magic #.

But as long as they continue to use the J35, the real world #s will not be much different regardless if it s 280, 290 or 320.

Edward'TLS

Then why on earth does Acura try to cheapen the TLX out by using the narrower 225/50/18H, instead of the wider 245/45/18V all-season tires ?

OK, another minus point for the TLX and the Acura brand.

Note that there's no hatred here, because this is about another bad point for the TLX, posted inside a TLX thread.

oonowindoo

225 50 18..... narrow and tall

civicdrivr

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Everything in my engine, aside from the valve springs and retainers, were OEM Honda. In that time, I put 60k miles on the motor without issue and achieved better mpg then the stock 3.2l.

YeuEmMaiMai

Acura is so lost it isn't even funny

the last great car out of them was the 04 TL and 2001-30CL-S and 2003 TL-S Problem is that Acura has not really advanced since then...

justnspace

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OEM parts can achieve 350 crank horsepower.


we're not talking aftermarket here.

fsttyms1

But we are getting those numbers with STOCK parts. Not aftermarket. I built my 3.7 with ALL OEM parts. My motor is making well above 350 at the crank (im probably closer to that at the wheels) as from a roll i have run my buddys 12.7 (street tires) mustang countless times and pulled on him every time

iforyou

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Tbh I have yet to see any TLX commercial lol. But then again I don't have cable TV at home.

I think 3G-S and 4G AT all trap at about 95-97mph, which is a bit slower than the TLX as shown in Edmunds test at 98mph.




The 6MT TL has always been plenty fast. It's the AT version that is slower.

Indeed.

1999 TL was a lot slower man. It had a 225hp engine (rated back in the old days) with 4AT. I remember seeing 0-60mph in 7.4s in C&D and 1/4 mile in the 16's.

Here is a test done by Jeff, the founder of TOV:
The Temple of VTEC - Honda and Acura Enthusiasts Online Forums > TLX > > Re: I was told the TLX transmission logic "learns" (new 0-60 times)

His latest test with just one run was 0-60mph in 5.5s with the TLX AWD. He tested the exact same car a week ago too but only got 5.8s. In his first test, he noticed the car would short shift even in sport+ mode.

He believed that the differences might be down to the fuel octane (previous guy was using 87 gas?) and the fact that it takes a bit of time for the car to get used to a driving style.

Based on his experiences, he feels that the TLX should trap at 101-102mph.

Another thing of note is that the oil life in his tester was a pre-production model with 5% oil life.

For reference, Jeff's best run of the 4G TL AWD was 0-60mph in 5.8s.

justnspace

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if the 2G had a proper transmission; it would be pulling in the same trap numbers.



the TLX running 101 isnt surprising as the other TL's can do so as well.

Simply put; the TLX isnt meant to be a stop light racer.
so, why the freak do you guise care about 0-60's so much!?

the fact is that Acura has been using the J-series since 1996.
with small changes here and there to improve efficiency in fuel economy and not 0-60 or quarter mile times.


again; this smells of detuning the engines of performance to base it all on fuel economy.

JS + XES

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I dont know why people care about 0-60 and 1/4mile time on this car.

It's not even a sports sedan.

Acura treats it as one but it really is not.

Fibonacci

There is a disconnect between how Acura is marketing the car and how it really drives. Don't get me wrong, its a very nice car with sporting intentions, but it doesn't feel as special as the 4G 6MT.

TLX 3.5 SH-AWD deserves a "Type-S" upgrade with a 6MT or at a minimum the DCT with a bit more power, brake, tire, damping and heft in steering feel.

Curious3GTL

Would the DCT from the RLX work, or is it only compatible with the hybrid power train?