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Ill keep my 2nd home and wait. Maybe when they figure out "that kind of thrill" and the kids have either moved out or outlasted their welcome when they turn 18 and i kick them out ill see if its still worth dropping money on it.
Very fair of course. Should be interesting to see what other iterations of the 2G NSX they come up with and future NSX updates and how much they can wring out of that drivetrain/chassis years down the road. I'm usually a used-car bargain hunter...unless I win the powerball jackpot or something....
Should be interesting to see what other iterations of the 2G NSX they come up with and future NSX updates and how much they can wring out of that drivetrain/chassis years down the road.
Interesting to see indeed and the thought had occurred to me (not to be a beta tester again), but after waiting this long, my patience for bettererer has been overcome by irrational exuberance to keep a promise to myself.
Very fair of course. Should be interesting to see what other iterations of the 2G NSX they come up with and future NSX updates and how much they can wring out of that drivetrain/chassis years down the road..
Im holding out hope that there is someone in that corporation that will make the decision on some seriously cool extremely fast version that will put the competitors on their heels and have to play some catchup.
In time, there will be. It won't be hyper car worthy, though. That ship has sailed and Acura won't build a million dollar car. So in the end, they will never lead the segment ever again.
In time, there will be. It won't be hyper car worthy, though. That ship has sailed and Acura won't build a million dollar car. So in the end, they will never lead the segment ever again.
Im not talking hyper car. Just something that isnt "Just" faster than outgoing models which will be replaced with something faster.
EDIT: I've now seen 3 different times from 3 different websites so idk what to post
Wikipedia (source of all truth on the interwebs) says 7:32-7:38 so somewhere in there. The NSX is officially just as fast as an old out of production Ferrari with zero turbos, zero electric motors, but a $100k cheaper price tag. Sweet.
The problem with Nurburgring times is that it's exceptionally hard to set repeatable times because of how long the course is. One mistake can compound 100x in the course of a lap.
Says more about the dominance of the Ferrari cars than the NSX. From the above graph, many highly regarded models were also spanked handedly by the 458/488: R8, 911 Turbo, 650S, GT-R, AMG GT-S.
Also the ZL1 is incredible as well given the claimed time.
Would be interesting to see if there are GT350R/C7 Z06/C7 GS ring times for comparison.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
The problem with Nurburgring times is that it's exceptionally hard to set repeatable times because of how long the course is. One mistake can compound 100x in the course of a lap.
Originally Posted by Joneill44
EDIT: I've now seen 3 different times from 3 different websites so idk what to post
^^^True on both accounts. And a huge flaw of the 'Ring times and I think the recent de-throne-ing of using the 'Ring times as the holy grail of track lap time comparison. Such a long track compounds lot of non-car related mistakes/factors/issues and may need a larger margin of error when doing comparisons.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
So why would people buy this car? A status symbol of a below average car brand, that struggles to sell plebe cars?
Heh. Certainly many on this forum take a similar view given the tone of this thread and others. Would be interesting to see what the 250+ owners feel about this car. Some are obviously for collection/media purposes (Hendrick, Leno, etc.) but others probably don't care about lap times or how "pure" or dominating the car is. As most lay public doesn't know much about cars in general (my friends frequently have issues telling apart cars of the same color at times). Of course wealthier clientele may be more knwoledgeable.
There are at least 2 AZiners who is in the process of owning one:
And looks like neuronbob has been tempted as well (when just a few posts earlier in this thread makes a fairly firm sounding comment about his lack of enthusiasm for the value proposition of the new NSX given its price point): https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post15900008
It would be interesting for our own members (like those two above) who will be having the NSX in their hands to post up experiences and their reasonings/rationale for buying one. And even maybe neuronbob in the near future as well....heh
And indeed would be interesting to see who else on Azine is either in process or already has a 2G NSX.
Says more about the dominance of the Ferrari cars than the NSX. From the above graph, many highly regarded models were also spanked handedly by the 458/488: R8, 911 Turbo, 650S, GT-R, AMG GT-S.
Also the ZL1 is incredible as well given the claimed time.
Would be interesting to see if there are GT350R/C7 Z06/C7 GS ring times for comparison.
^^^True on both accounts. And a huge flaw of the 'Ring times and I think the recent de-throne-ing of using the 'Ring times as the holy grail of track lap time comparison. Such a long track compounds lot of non-car related mistakes/factors/issues and may need a larger margin of error when doing comparisons.
Heh. Certainly many on this forum take a similar view given the tone of this thread and others. Would be interesting to see what the 250+ owners feel about this car. Some are obviously for collection/media purposes (Hendrick, Leno, etc.) but others probably don't care about lap times or how "pure" or dominating the car is. As most lay public doesn't know much about cars in general (my friends frequently have issues telling apart cars of the same color at times). Of course wealthier clientele may be more knwoledgeable.
There are at least 2 AZiners who is in the process of owning one:
And looks like neuronbob has been tempted as well (when just a few posts earlier in this thread makes a fairly firm sounding comment about his lack of enthusiasm for the value proposition of the new NSX given its price point): https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post15900008
It would be interesting for our own members (like those two above) who will be having the NSX in their hands to post up experiences and their reasonings/rationale for buying one. And even maybe neuronbob in the near future as well....heh
And indeed would be interesting to see who else on Azine is either in process or already has a 2G NSX.
Justn is not buying a new NSX. Not anytime soon, anyway. I'd say Bob is likely the closest.
not sure if fib is serious. I believe he just bought a New Golf R. No idea why he'd buy this too, but, to each their own.
NB is a lot smarter than I, which is why he owns an appreciating 1G.
not sure if fib is serious. I believe he just bought a New Golf R. No idea why he'd buy this too, but, to each their own.
If I really felt the need to impress anyone, certainly wouldn't be driving a Golf to work. Pretty sure I caught a sideways smirk from my neighbor who sports a 5'er, Ghibli and a G wagon first day home in my econobox. Cracks me up, diggin' the slow roll, because I'm silly like that.
Especially with the Camaro ZL1 doing it near 7 seconds faster.
7:29.60Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (2017)
Originally Posted by TacoBello
Holy jeez... the 488 destroys the NSX
I wonder what a 458 does the ring in. Anyone know? I'm too lazy to figure it out
Originally Posted by Joneill44
458 posted a 7:28
Originally Posted by Costco
I could have sworn the GT-R ran 7:2x in the wet.
Wiki says in 2011 in semi-wet conditions, a GT-R ran 7:24
I think we need to compare apples to apples.
Sport Auto times are independent tests, not manufacturer claimed lap times (i.e. less risk of manufacturers having special tuned cars for setting lap record).
The key takeaway from that article is that, the base NSX is in line with the following cars:
McLaren 650S
R8 V10+
911 Turbo S
Lexus LFA
M4 GTS
AMG GT S
GTR
The 650S result is surprising to me. If the 650S only managed 7:35, does that mean the 570S is slower?
Comparing Nurburgring lap times is very difficult though. For instance, Sport Auto got 8:09 in the 2002 NA2 NSX-R. Motoharu Kurosawa on the other hand drove the same car at the Ring and got 7:56. Why is there a difference of 13 seconds?
Comparing Nurburgring lap times is very difficult though. For instance, Sport Auto got 8:09 in the 2002 NA2 NSX-R. Motoharu Kurosawa on the other hand drove the same car at the Ring and got 7:56. Why is there a difference of 13 seconds?
There's a huge flaw of the 'Ring times and I think the recent de-throne-ing of using the 'Ring times as the holy grail of track lap time comparison is testament to this. Such a super long track compounds a LOT of non-car related mistakes/factors/issues. Weather, track condition, driver error/minor mishaps (which can be compounded over that long of a track), etc.
Would be more interesting to aggregate averages of Ring lap times for every model (with standard deviation calculated as well) and have an average time for each model instead of scouring for the best 'Ring time to play that number up for whatever car you're rooting for.
Something tells me they don't just do one lap and call it quits. They likely do a bunch and choose the best of the group. I see nothing wrong with that. The vehicle DID actually the fastest time.
these cars are lapping the 'ring in under 8 minutes. I'm sure they do multiple runs. They'd be stupid not to.
"we just invested a shit ton of money to build a crazy super car, but we are now going to cheap out on the relative pocket change it takes to do several laps with a full team in tow to see what our design is actually capable of"
The dealership also had another NSX, on the 3rd (of 4) floor of the dealership, but it was covered by the OEM NSX tarp. I presume it was sold as well, just being kept there for the winter, though I could be wrong.
Agreed that for manufacturers that spend time at the 'Ring developing a sports car, they would most likely do many runs.
But the Sport Auto test, it's probably just a few laps at most. I don't know how exactly they run their tests, but it's hard to imagine them doing hundreds of laps over a few months for the same car like manufacturers do.
That's why we can't compare lap times without knowing how the time was achieved.
Other than the NA2 NSX-R example given earlier, another one is the 918 Spider. Sport Auto is quoting 7:13 above for the 918, which is slower than a Nismo GTR that has a fastest lap of 7:08. But then, when you look further, you see that there's a video online showing the 918 doing 6:57, with Porsche confirming that being the official lap record: Porsche 918 Spyder Tops Global Debut with New Nurburgring Record
That's a difference of 16 seconds. And in the NSX-R case, there was a difference of 13 seconds. With that in mind, who knows what the actual fastest lap time is for the new base NC1 NSX. slash 16 seconds off it and we've got 7:20 which is pretty respectable then for a non Type R NSX.
Heh, Chris Harris, being from Britain, calls out the the "funny" Acura badge. He loved it and has the talent to slide it around.
I haven't seen nor read one bad review of the 2nd Gen NSX, so kudos Honda / Acura. The only reservation I've encountered is, given their respective time frames, which generation is better? For me, the first gen NSX captured my imagination more; I would picture myself driving one. The 2nd gen is very attractive, but doesn't pull me in as much.
Chris Harris also did a glowing review of the NSX in Top Gear. He has one complaint though, and that's the interior feels a bit cheap, especially the paddle snifters. But any questions about driving fun, performance, etc, the NSX seems to have it all. He'as also one of the many reviewers that stated the NSX is a poor man's 918 Spyder:
The only reservation I've encountered is, given their respective time frames, which generation is better? For me, the first gen NSX captured my imagination more; I would picture myself driving one. The 2nd gen is very attractive, but doesn't pull me in as much.
IMHO it's not really fair to compare the two gens. Just like it wouldn't be fair to compare the Ferrari 348 to the 488.
Would I love a 3000 lb~ish, Mid-Rear, 550hp Naturally Aspirated V10, 6 speed manual NSX that looks as good as the 2017? Absolutely!!!
But that's not what Honda has built, and I still like it. I like it a lot actually. Hope to drive one soon and if I don't like it, it won't be in my garage.
In digging through the results a bit further, one surprise sticks out: the brand-new Acura NSX did something that Ford—with their mounds of effort and cash—couldn’t do with their new GT last year. The NSX GT3's first race ever—the grueling 24 Hours of Daytona—ended with an incredibly respectable finish after relatively minimal drama.
Top-Five Finish for Acura NSX GT3 at Daytona Debut
Jan 29, 2017
Acura Motorsports Race Report
Rolex 24
IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship 24-hour endurance race
Daytona International Speedway (3.56-mile road course) Daytona Beach, FL
Weather: Rain, cool, 45-55 degrees F
Michael Shank Racing effort dominates nighttime hours of the Rolex 24
Acura NSX GT3s lead 27 percent of race laps in 24-hour endurance classic
Acura wins first GTD round of 2017 North American Endurance Championship
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – The Acura NSX GT3 completed a highly successful endurance sports car racing debut Saturday and Sunday at the Daytona International Speedway in Florida, as a pair of Michael Shank Racing Acuras dominated the nighttime hours, leading 171 of 634 laps, prior to a best finish of fifth in the 27-car GTD field at the season-opening Rolex 24.
This weekend's endurance classic marked the North American sports car racing debut for the Acura NSX GT3, with the MSR team fielding a pair of cars for a stellar driving lineup including Andy Lally, Graham Rahal, Katherine Legge and Mark Wilkins in the #93 car; and Jeff Segal, Ryan Hunter-Reay, Oswaldo "Ozz" Negri Jr., and Tom Dyer in the #86 NSX.
The Acura NSX GT3s starred in the overnight hours of the twice-around-the-clock contest, leading – and often running 1-2 – as both cars excelled in the steady rain and wet track conditions that existed from just past 8 p.m. Saturday until 10 a.m. Sunday, when the rain faded away and the 3.56-mile circuit finally began to dry. In all, the two NSX GT3s led 171 of 634 laps, or 27 percent of the total distance run.
In the closing hours, both cars appeared headed for top-six finishes. But with just 30 minutes remaining, the #93 NSX GT3 was forced to retire due to damage sustained in earlier on-track incident. But Segal was able to bring the #86 Acura home fifth in the GTD class, and also claim North American Endurance Championship honors for the "series-within-a-series" of endurance races within the overall IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship.
Competing in the GTD class of the sports car racing championship, the NSX GT3s race against premium automotive brands including Aston Martin, Audi, BMW, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz and Porsche. In all, there were 27 cars entered in the GTD field at Daytona, by far the largest of the four classes competing in the 24-hour endurance contest.
Developed from the production Acura NSX, the NSX GT3 utilizes the production NSX's ultra-rigid and lightweight multi-material body with aluminum-intensive space frame, which is produced at the Performance Manufacturing Center in Ohio, exclusive worldwide manufacturing facility for the NSX. The 3.5-liter racing engine uses the same design specifications as the production Acura NSX, including the block, heads, valve train, crankshaft, pistons and dry-sump lubrication system. A six-speed, sequential-shift racing gearbox delivers power to the rear wheels.
The Acura NSX GT3 adds to a rich legacy of Acura sports car racing championships, including the 1991, 1992 and 1993 IMSA Camel Lights manufacturer and driver championships, and the 2009 American Le Mans Series manufacturer, driver and team championships in both the LMP1 and LMP2 classes.
Video recaps from this weekend's Acura WeatherTech SportsCar Championship activities at Daytona are being posted on the "Honda Racing/HPD" YouTube channel. Produced by the Carolinas Production Group, the video packages can be found in the 2017 HPD Trackside Video Playlist at: https://www.youtube.com/HondaRacingHPDTV.
The 2017 WeatherTech SportsCar Championship resumes Saturday, March 18, with another endurance racing classic, the 65th running of the Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring.
Art St. Cyr (President, Honda Performance Development): "To be slightly disappointed with a fifth-place finish in the debut of the Acura NSX GT3 in a 24-hour endurance race, says a lot about the dedication of HPD, Acura and Michael Shank Racing. Our goal was just to finish the race and, if not for contact damage from earlier in the race, we were on track for two top-six finishes. This bodes very well for our prospects in this program, beginning at Sebring in March."
Allen Miller (Race Team Principal, Honda Performance Development): "While a victory certainly would've been great, it was extremely satisfying to finish fifth in GTD, and win the Daytona round of the North American Endurance Championship, in our first race in the Acura NSX GT3. Both Graham [Rahal] and Ryan [Hunter-Reay] fitted in seamlessly to our overall effort and contributed enormously in the overnight hours, when the rain was falling heavily and the track was at its most treacherous. Thanks to both Ryan and Graham for their efforts, and to everyone at HPD, HRD [Honda R&D Japan], RealTime Racing, Honda of America Racing Team, all of our technical partners and, of course, the Michael Shank Racing organization. This truly was a ‘group' Honda success."
Jeff Segal (Driver, Michael Shank Racing #86 Acura NSX GT3): "We were all a little bit apprehensive about our first race. This NSX has never raced before and there were so many new challenges that might lay ahead of us. Finishing the race was a huge target, so to finish fifth and having led a lot of the race in the rain was really incredible. I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed, because once we had led so much, I wanted to win! But it is really great work by this group. It is truly incredible. A lot of hard work by everyone at Acura, HPD and Michael Shank Racing. Some endless months and weeks were spent working on this car and it paid off."
Michael Shank (Team Owner, Michael Shank Racing): "The key to this result was constantly digging and never stopping - with a plan. Having a plan helped us a lot here. We talked a lot about the things that could happen in this race and we were ready for them. I'm so pleased to execute on those plans, and be able to have this kind of debut for the NSX. On top of that, all of our guys on the pit lane were just awesome. Every time we went into the pit box, we came out in better position than we were when we went in. I'm thankful, but I'm disappointed because both of our cars should have been in the top-five with no problem. But all-in-all it was just a great debut and I couldn't be happier for the team, Acura, and HPD. This feels very good and we're looking forward to a great year ahead."
Im guessing but the price was probably that high because of the how much the r&d cost were over the last 10yrs compared to what you actually get for a car. Think about all the design changes this project has gone through
01-10-2017, 02:06 PM
) and sold.
