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I understand what the article is saying, and I agree that the ILX is below par, especially in the looks, power department, and brand recognition. But to be fair, the ILX is more like $3k cheaper, rather than "a couple grand." On top of that, using the base CLA250 as an example, it doesn't have things like heated seats, leather interior, moonroof, dual zone AC, rear cam. Similarly equipped, it's closer to $35k, as opposed to $27k.
Well, it seems one lesson Acura may need to learn is that price is not as important once you start moving into the lux-market.
NOTE: I didn't say it wasn't important at all. I simply said, it may be less important than in other segments.
..... the 2016 ILX will receive a "comprehensive update that includes a potent new powertrain, more forceful, sporty exterior styling, and substantially upgraded interior design."
They're basically doing the exact same thing to the ILX that they had to do to the 9th gen Civic when it first came out and received horrible reviews for it's cheapness.
10/20/2014 - TORRANCE, Calif.
Acura is preparing to unveil a substantially new 2016 ILX at the L.A. Auto Show next month as the brand aims to raise the stakes again in the entry-premium sedan segment.
Again? Don't you need to successfully raise the stakes the first time before you can do it again?
They're basically doing the exact same thing to the ILX that they had to do to the 9th gen Civic when it first came out and received horrible reviews for it's cheapness.
Again? Don't you need to successfully raise the stakes the first time before you can do it again?
I agree with oonowindoo that the new powertrain is the 2.4L 8DCT combo from the TLX with or without a slightly different tune.
I highly doubt the ILX will come with Vtec Turbo. I'd think we would hear a lot more about that if the ILX were to come with a VTEC Turbo engine.
Good luck with SH-AWD. At best, we will see P-AWS.
The main goals of this MMC is to make the exterior less bland, improve feature content and luxury feel, and improve the performance of the automatic trim significantly.
That teaser picture looks promising. So that should fix the first issue.
Second issue, we will see.
The 2.4L 8DCT is good enough to propel the 3500lb TLX from 0-60mph in less than 7 seconds. A ILX with 500lb less weight should be in the low 6's range. That would be more than adequate for an entry luxury sedan in the sub $30k range IMO.
The 2.4 8DCT combo in
Well Honda does have 3 new turbo engines they are bringing out. What better car than the ILX to be the first to receive one (since it wasnt the TLX)
Well, it seems one lesson Acura may need to learn is that price is not as important once you start moving into the lux-market.
NOTE: I didn't say it wasn't important at all. I simply said, it may be less important than in other segments.
Agreed. BMW sells the 328 as "starting at" $37500, by the time you add in the options you want, it sells for $50k. Difference is you can get it the exact way you want it. Acura needs to supplement the silly all or nothing option packages with individual options or smaller packages.
Originally Posted by AZuser
Again? Don't you need to successfully raise the stakes the first time before you can do it again?
They have raised the stakes before.........in 2004.
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Well Honda does have 3 new turbo engines they are bringing out. What better car than the ILX to be the first to receive one (since it wasnt the TLX)
And not a single one of those three will make an appearance in the ILX.
Why? Honda hates you and your family and wants nothing to do with bringing you happiness and/or joy.
Well Honda does have 3 new turbo engines they are bringing out. What better car than the ILX to be the first to receive one (since it wasnt the TLX)
I think the cheap and easy way would be to just slap the 2.4 8-DCT into the ILX and call it a day - the Acura way of doing things lately.
But I agree that putting one of the VTEC Turbo engines into the ILX would make perfect sense too. The volume won't be too high so if there's any issue, the recall won't be too big. It will also differentiate the car greatly from the Civic. I'm guessing if Acura does go down the turbo route for the ILX, it will be the 1.5T engine with 200hp/190lbft of torque.
I think the cheap and easy way would be to just slap the 2.4 8-DCT into the ILX and call it a day - the Acura way of doing things lately.
But I agree that putting one of the VTEC Turbo engines into the ILX would make perfect sense too. The volume won't be too high so if there's any issue, the recall won't be too big. It will also differentiate the car greatly from the Civic. I'm guessing if Acura does go down the turbo route for the ILX, it will be the 1.5T engine with 200hp/190lbft of torque.
I was laughing at acura promising big changes. Not sure why (la/L.A.) changed when I quoted it
For Acura, the sole act of putting in a 8-DCT is a big, nay HUGE change considering how reluctant and slow they are to adopt new technologies despite their "Advance" mantra.
They stuck with their 5AT for a long long time... too long... when competitors had gone to a 6AT or even an 8AT. And it really wasn't that long ago that they moved from their 5AT to a 6AT either.
So what may seem like baby steps for us is leaps and bounds in Acura's eyes.
If they release a 260hp turbo with a manual gearbox and rwd or awd, I'm going to trade in my 09 tsx manual. To be honest, I'd rather have rwd with a lsd than awd. It weighs less and 100 lbs makes a big differnce on a 3000 lb car. You will probably think I'm crazy but I think it's easier to launch a 260hp car with rwd than awd. It's easier to get a little wheelspin and avoid bogging the engine with rwd. Or I guess I could dump it at 6500 rpm with awd, but you'd eventually break something.
So if they offer the new dct, will you guys/girls get the manual or the dct?
If they release a 260hp turbo with a manual gearbox and rwd or awd, I'm going to trade in my 09 tsx manual. To be honest, I'd rather have rwd with a lsd than awd. It weighs less and 100 lbs makes a big differnce on a 3000 lb car. You will probably think I'm crazy but I think it's easier to launch a 260hp car with rwd than awd. It's easier to get a little wheelspin and avoid bogging the engine with rwd. Or I guess I could dump it at 6500 rpm with awd, but you'd eventually break something.
So if they offer the new dct, will you guys/girls get the manual or the dct?
Can you say pipe dream. They arent releasing a RWD version, awd is probably a negative (at least until gen 2 comes out) and 260 hp, not happinin
Oh, and id take DCT over manual and im a manual guy.
If they release a 260hp turbo with a manual gearbox and rwd or awd, I'm going to trade in my 09 tsx manual. To be honest, I'd rather have rwd with a lsd than awd. It weighs less and 100 lbs makes a big differnce on a 3000 lb car. You will probably think I'm crazy but I think it's easier to launch a 260hp car with rwd than awd. It's easier to get a little wheelspin and avoid bogging the engine with rwd. Or I guess I could dump it at 6500 rpm with awd, but you'd eventually break something.
So if they offer the new dct, will you guys/girls get the manual or the dct?
RWD is not happening. If that's your thing, get a used S2k or look elsewhere.
I really don't see Acura introducing any AWD system into the ILX. It's only a MMC. It doesn't make much sense for them to do something drastic for a MMC model that will last like 2 years.
I don't even think the ILX will get P-AWS but that's fine. Handling isn't much of an issue with the ILX.
RWD is not happening. If that's your thing, get a used S2k or look elsewhere.
I really don't see Acura introducing any AWD system into the ILX. It's only a MMC. It doesn't make much sense for them to do something drastic for a MMC model that will last like 2 years.
I don't even think the ILX will get P-AWS but that's fine. Handling isn't much of an issue with the ILX.
Right, because it can't get going fast enough for it to matter.
Haha yes, for the 2.0 model. The 2.4L model has some speed in it and it handles well. But then again, Honda has usually been pretty good with making cars handle well.
I really don't see Acura introducing any AWD system into the ILX. It's only a MMC. It doesn't make much sense for them to do something drastic for a MMC model that will last like 2 years.
I don't even think the ILX will get P-AWS but that's fine. Handling isn't much of an issue with the ILX.
+1
Even if it was a FMC I'd be surprised if the ILX got AWD or PAWS. ILX is an entry level car. It's a stepping block for Acura to get people into the TLX, if they want those features and more. Wouldn't an AWD or PAWS system add too much weight to the ILX? It's already plenty slow.
What if the ILX's "potent new powertrain" is a CVT paired with the same 2.sl0w engine and some minor changes to the exhaust? It'll be like the Civic, where it went from a 1.8 liter I-4 w/5AT to a 1.8 liter I-4 w/CVT with some minor exhaust tweaks.
If the FMC uses the 2.4L 8-DCT combo, then AWD would make sense as long as it's a simple one, not SH-AWD. That way the weight can be kept to around 3100lb and the 2.4L unit would have enough power.
If the FMC uses the 1.5T engine, then SH-AWD would start to make sense. There will then be enough torque to make torque vectoring useful.
It would be sad if the ILX's new powertrain is simply the existing 2.0T engine paired with the CVT....lol
Think they'll keep an enthusiast version/manual transmission? I like the new styling from what I've seen...Just hope they take the opportunity to have a solid sports model, it could be really successful.
10-20-2014, 05:54 PM
They're basically doing the exact same thing to the ILX that they had to do to the 9th gen Civic when it first came out and received horrible reviews for it's cheapness.
