2009 TL SH-AWD Engine knock/Cold Start...NEED HELP! Video inside

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Old 01-30-2017, 10:37 AM
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2009 TL SH-AWD Engine knock/Cold Start...NEED HELP! Video inside

https://youtu.be/qritE-16si8

this is the video to my 2009 acura tl sh-awd on the startup. Cold or hot, this is what it sounds like and i cannot figure out the problem. I have 92k miles on it and am running 5w-20 castrol gtx partial blend oil.

does anyone know what the issue may be? I was told the valves may need to be adjusted or lifters replaced. Brought it to a shop and they told me i needed to up the oil viscosity to 5w-30 fully synthetic and that would fix the problem.

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does it increase with revs?
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Originally Posted by justnspace
does it increase with revs?
No, when it warms up eventually, it quiets down and sounds normal. If i drive and don't let it warm up, it sounds louder
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Originally Posted by ImStillSOLO
https://youtu.be/qritE-16si8

this is the video to my 2009 acura tl sh-awd on the startup. Cold or hot, this is what it sounds like and i cannot figure out the problem. I have 92k miles on it and am running

does anyone know what the issue may be? I was told the valves may need to be adjusted or lifters replaced. Brought it to a shop and they told me i needed to up the oil viscosity to 5w-30 fully synthetic and that would fix the problem.

PLEASE HELP!
Do you have any sort of warranty when you made this purchase? If so, probably be best to take it to the dealer and resolve the issue. Our J series engine are known to be slightly loud but yours Idk never heard it to be that loud!!!
Here's a link that I found that might help. Some members here have gone as far as changing their oils https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-tl-p...ocking-782374/
From my own experience I've tried dozens of top tier oil brands and the Eneos fully synthetic has helped that slight ticking noise go away during cold starts my 12 is past 121k miles already since it's my daily, but still going strong. Good luck and let us know how it's goes...
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His does sound louder than mine but if it goes away when warm, as mine does...

we do have a very noisy and chatty valve train, you could try a valve adjustment
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Originally Posted by Soal Man
Do you have any sort of warranty when you made this purchase? If so, probably be best to take it to the dealer and resolve the issue. Our J series engine are known to be slightly loud but yours Idk never heard it to be that loud!!!
Here's a link that I found that might help. Some members here have gone as far as changing their oils https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-tl-p...ocking-782374/
From my own experience I've tried dozens of top tier oil brands and the Eneos fully synthetic has helped that slight ticking noise go away during cold starts my 12 is past 121k miles already since it's my daily, but still going strong. Good luck and let us know how it's goes...
gonna check the link out, the car is out of warranty. I've had it 5 years now. Maybe i should try a fully synthetic oil instead of the partial blend I'm running?
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Originally Posted by justnspace
His does sound louder than mine but if it goes away when warm, as mine does...

we do have a very noisy and chatty valve train, you could try a valve adjustment
Have you adjusted your valves?
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a certain situation called for me to adjust my valves.
so, yes i have...but NOT because of how loud it ticks.

in short; a friend blew my engine and I had to change the heads...when changing the heads, you have to adjust valves.
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YIKES THAT SOUNDS BAD!!! I was concerned about the same issue months back when i bought my 2010 TL SH-AWD but it's gotten better over time to a quiet ticking sound every now and again. The previous owner was using refurbished oil smh.....I took it in and had a full flush done and went synthetic it makes a similar noise but not even close to the rate yours is....I use Mobil 1 5w20 high mileage when the car runs low on oil which happens at least twice between oil changes. Good luck
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Originally Posted by justnspace
a certain situation called for me to adjust my valves.
so, yes i have...but NOT because of how loud it ticks.

in short; a friend blew my engine and I had to change the heads...when changing the heads, you have to adjust valves.
The hell kind of friend you got?
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Originally Posted by justnspace
a certain situation called for me to adjust my valves.
so, yes i have...but NOT because of how loud it ticks.

in short; a friend blew my engine and I had to change the heads...when changing the heads, you have to adjust valves.
hmm...ok, was just wondering if it was because it sounded loud like mine lol
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Originally Posted by youTLme
YIKES THAT SOUNDS BAD!!! I was concerned about the same issue months back when i bought my 2010 TL SH-AWD but it's gotten better over time to a quiet ticking sound every now and again. The previous owner was using refurbished oil smh.....I took it in and had a full flush done and went synthetic it makes a similar noise but not even close to the rate yours is....I use Mobil 1 5w20 high mileage when the car runs low on oil which happens at least twice between oil changes. Good luck

so wait, are you using 5w20 regularly or are you just adding the mobil 5w20 high mileage when your car runs low on oil between changes? Mine runs low a good couple of times also between oil changes
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Just adding it between changes I go to Valvoline and they do my oil changes and they use their synthetic oil.
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Originally Posted by youTLme
Just adding it between changes I go to Valvoline and they do my oil changes and they use their synthetic oil.
So should go full synthetic?
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Originally Posted by ImStillSOLO
So should go full synthetic?
I'm no expert but it doesn't hurt and I'd do a complete engine flush it's worth it
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Originally Posted by youTLme
I'm no expert but it doesn't hurt and I'd do a complete engine flush it's worth it
So I brought it to another auto shop and was told it's possibly the oil pump, I'm gonna leave it overnight sometime this week so he can put the oil pressure gauge on it to be 100% certain that that's what is causing the engine to sound like a little tractor. Made sense when he told me that that's what it possibly could be, and he said it will roughly cost me 750-800!
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Looking at the amount of work required to change the oil pump, I suspect it may be more than $750-$800. Speculation is not a good thing. Ask the dealer or whoever is diagnosing this to do an oil pressure test. At 176 oF (or 80 oC) at idle the pressure should be 69 kPa or 10 psi minimum, at 3,000 RPM should be 304 kPa 44 psi minimum. The oil pressure test is described in the shop repair manual for the car published by Honda-Acura, if they have it, if not go somewhere else where they do have access to the official documentation from Honda-Acura that describes the test. A couple of things you can also check, the oil filter for any kind of blocking, the oil pressure relief valve for connectivity and damage. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by Tonyware
Looking at the amount of work required to change the oil pump, I suspect it may be more than $750-$800. Speculation is not a good thing. Ask the dealer or whoever is diagnosing this to do an oil pressure test. At 176 oF (or 80 oC) at idle the pressure should be 69 kPa or 10 psi minimum, at 3,000 RPM should be 304 kPa 44 psi minimum. The oil pressure test is described in the shop repair manual for the car published by Honda-Acura, if they have it, if not go somewhere else where they do have access to the official documentation from Honda-Acura that describes the test. A couple of things you can also check, the oil filter for any kind of blocking, the oil pressure relief valve for connectivity and damage. Just my 2 cents.
yeah, the shop owner told me to leave it overnight with him so first thing in the morning, he can check the oil pressure levels with the guage so that way he can give me an accurate answer as to what's making my engine sound that way. He was just giving me a worst case scenario and price
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*update*

Ok, so the oil pump isn't the issue. The psi checked out along with the oil levels. Apparently, a couple other people suggested it be the cam shaft and/or bearing being worn. The shop owner i took it to said the issue is so small but so hard to pin-point that the motor can and will last until something goes wrong. Takes 7-8 minutes to warm up and go away. Anybody have any input on this?
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Not only that but I had a check engine light on for a p2646 code and this stuff after putting it in my car took the light out after less than 1 day driving around. And like I said the sound is very faint now

RISLONE ENGINE TREATMENT $3.75
STP OIL TREATMENT $7.50 Cost me less than $12 to quiet my car and remove an engine light/code almost instantly!
Old 04-24-2018, 04:02 PM
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Any update to your issue? I'm starting to get bad knocking with warm engine restarts. Dealer says "no fault found".
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Originally Posted by imstillsolo
ok, so the oil pump isn't the issue. The psi checked out along with the oil levels. Apparently, a couple other people suggested it be the cam shaft and/or bearing being worn. The shop owner i took it to said the issue is so small but so hard to pin-point that the motor can and will last until something goes wrong. Takes 7-8 minutes to warm up and go away. Anybody have any input on this?
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huh?
Old 04-25-2018, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BartmanEH
Any update to your issue? I'm starting to get bad knocking with warm engine restarts. Dealer says "no fault found".
He updated in the comments of his Youtube video. Someone commented that they had the same issue and it was caused by the timing belt tensioner. OP also fixed it by replacing his timing belt, water pump, and timing belt tensioner. If you're near 100k miles, you should do the same service now and see if it also fixes the issue.
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