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So Long Michelin A/S 3's. Hello BFGoodrich g-Force COMP-2 A/S !
Installed them yesterday and what a difference! Quiet, smooth, and corner a whole hell of a lot better than the overrated Michelin's which were down to barely 3/32" -- that left me spinning out in extremely light snow and slush last winter, AND THAT'S WITH MY 6MT'S LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL! Michelin has a lot of nerve marketing them as an all season tire, and Consumer Reports whom I used to respect can stick their "The Standard for all ALL Season Tires " ratings of the A/S 3's up their you know what. With a snow storm coming this weekend, I didn't want to take any chances.
I also considered the DWS 06's, but got a price from Marc J, my guy at Mavis Tire corporate that I couldn't refuse (can you imagine, he made Tony Soprano an offer that Tony couldn't refuse?!?). $125 each mounted, balanced, installed, and road hazard warrantied at Mavis/STS tire. His # is 914-215-6730. Call him and say you heard about him on Acurazine to get a better price than in the stores. And besides, the BFG's are the #1 rated UHP All Season tire on Tire Rack (even slightly higher than the DWS 06's) with stellar user reviews. Michelin is to tires as Grey Goose is to vodka and Starbucks is to coffee - overrated and over priced.
I'll update this thread after I see how they perform in the snow. One user review on Tire Rack states that they breeze right through 4+ inches of snow, and another one said "Like Riding On a Hovercraft". So far at least, I have to agree !
Damn, $125 mounted and balanced is a heck of a deal for that tire!!
Yeah, looking forward to a snow review and a longer term review from the OP. As always, new tires ride better than old tires, so initial impressions are always going to be good.
I have no doubt that this is an excellent tire and I'm leaning heavily toward it rather than the DWS06 because of the reviews and lower pricing. Keep us updated after the east coast gets slammed this weekend
Damn, $125 mounted and balanced is a heck of a deal for that tire!!
Well since I make them an offer they can't refuse, they return the fayva!
If you're in the NY/NJ area and live near a Mavis or an STS tire store, call Mark before ya go down deah. Mavis bought STS last year. Just let him know which store you're going to.
Well since I make them an offer they can't refuse, they return the fayva!
If you're in the NY/NJ area and live near a Mavis or an STS tire store, call Mark before ya go down deah. Mavis bought STS last year. Just let him know which store you're going to.
Good to know. Marc J may be getting quite a few phone calls.
Tread wear rating lower than DWS06, so longevity may be where the price difference lies. Still, always nice to have options... looking forward to some longer-term reviews on this tire.
Tread wear rating lower than DWS06, so longevity may be where the price difference lies. Still, always nice to have options... looking forward to some longer-term reviews on this tire.
Yeah, excellent point. It leaves me wondering how the Comp-2's have a higher treadwear rating in the survey than the DWS06's, especially since I doubt anyone has taken either tire down to the wear bars just yet...
1.) Treadwear ratings are up to the vendor aren't they? Or am I thinking of the traction ratings? Can't remember....
2.) The surveys are just that...surveys/opinions. They are useful, but I don't use them as the final judgement since what one person may think is good another may think is bad. Think about those of us that like our MXM4/MXV4 while many of you despise them.
1.) Treadwear ratings are up to the vendor aren't they? Or am I thinking of the traction ratings? Can't remember....
2.) The surveys are just that...surveys/opinions. They are useful, but I don't use them as the final judgement since what one person may think is good another may think is bad. Think about those of us that like our MXM4/MXV4 while many of you despise them.
Yes, IIRC, the tread wear ratings are determined by each manufacturer against their own tires as a baseline. Therefore, a 400 tread wear rating by Dunlop may not be directly comparable to a 400 rating by BFG or Michelin.
I try to rely on professional or controlled reviews rather than the surveys, too.
The MXM4 were OK, but I was pretty indifferent about them once they hit 25K miles and hardened up, thus losing grip at the limit. I'll try the Pilot Sport PS2 or similar UHP summer tires instead of all-season UHPs next.
Yes, IIRC, the tread wear ratings are determined by each manufacturer against their own tires as a baseline. Therefore, a 400 tread wear rating by Dunlop may not be directly comparable to a 400 rating by BFG or Michelin..
Yeah, think you guys are correct about that. Too lazy to research it right now. But the treadwear warranty is another indicator. DWS06 is 5K more than the Comp-2. Does that mean much? Maybe, maybe not....
Originally Posted by Will Y.
I try to rely on professional or controlled reviews rather than the surveys, too.
The MXM4 were OK, but I was pretty indifferent about them once they hit 25K miles and hardened up, thus losing grip at the limit. I'll try the Pilot Sport PS2 or similar UHP summer tires instead of all-season UHPs next.
Hehe, maybe you should start relying on the surveys? The MXM4 is #11 on the Grand Touring All Season tires survey....
User reviews are the bottom line as they're a true representation of what people are actually experiencing. And after reading them on Tire Rack coinciding with Tire Rack's own reviews and ratings, that was good enough for me.
Haven't tried them in this blizzard we're having yet though, and probably won't until at least Monday. Heading for at least 2 feet here in the NY/NJ area, and maybe 30 by the time we're done.
Hehe, maybe you should start relying on the surveys? The MXM4 is #11 on the Grand Touring All Season tires survey....
I don't disagree with the survey results for the MXM4.
The MXM4 were the OEM tires when I got the TL new. I didn't want the optional Bridgestone S03 summer tires at the time, as I wasn't autocrossing the car. I did get annoyed enough to replace the MXM4s just after 40K miles although they had about a quarter of the tread left.
Originally Posted by DMZ
Haven't tried them in this blizzard we're having yet though, and probably won't until at least Monday. Heading for at least 2 feet here in the NY/NJ area, and maybe 30 by the time we're done.
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I don't think the tire type matters if the car is buried under the snow anyway.
Stay safe-- preferably in a warm place indoors with refreshments!
OK folks, here's the snow results as the Northeast digs out from the 2nd worst snow storm in NYC history.
The results: Excellent for an all season tire. Made it through small amounts of snow and slush on roads that other vehicles needed a push for. One of those other vehicles was a 2003 Accord which slipped and slid all over the place on same small amount of snow. Of course they're not snow tires, but did a stellar job leaving me with a feeling of confidence. Glad I got these tires and would recommend them to anyone!
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I find that a lot of tire reviews seem exaggerated because people are comparing a new tire to an old one that is likely almost bald, has some dry rot, and worn unevenly which caused extra noise.
Are you certain you are comparing your current tires to a new set of michelin A/S3's, or are you comparing your tires to the 3/32" set of A/S3's?
Not doubting your review or anything, but just wanted to make sure all metrics of testing are held consistent
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The Michelin's were not good in the snow even when they were new. A year ago, I had a lot more tread than I did now. They were always a good 3 season tire. It's just that these BFG's are better, and the Tire Rack reviews, ratings, and user reviews show it.
The Michelin's were not good in the snow even when they were new. A year ago, I had a lot more tread than I did now. They were always a good 3 season tire. It's just that these BFG's are better, and the Tire Rack reviews, ratings, and user reviews show it.
I can also vouch for this. The A/S 3's WHEN NEW were only marginally better in the snow than my old A/S 2's with 37k on them. Once they aged a bit (10-15k), they were horrible in the snow. And this is coming from someone that normally swears by Michelin.
DS3 and DMZ, besides the snow performance, how did you find the A/S 3's for noise, treadwear and all round performance in spring/summer/fall?
I was at a tire shop today and the sales guy recommended both the Michelin A/S 3's and the BFG Comp 2 A/S. He said he's never heard of any complaints with the A/S 3's but a couple of people have commented on the treadwear of the Comp 2's. In other words, he was pushing the Michelins, but did concede that the Comp 2's are a good tire.
DS3 and DMZ, besides the snow performance, how did you find the A/S 3's for noise, treadwear and all round performance in spring/summer/fall?
Noise was fine the first year / 20k miles, but started becoming louder after that. Treadwear for me was disappointing, but until I see how my new tires fare I don't know how much of that was caused by my aging suspension. Dry/wet handling was great for the most part.
DS3 and DMZ, besides the snow performance, how did you find the A/S 3's for noise, treadwear and all round performance in spring/summer/fall?
Everything about the A/S 3's were great except Winter traction. Since you're up in Nova Scotia, why would you still consider them? The BFG's have proven themselves so far on Winter, wet, and dry surfaces. Had no noise issues that I could detect.
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Everything about the A/S 3's were great except Winter traction. Since you're up in Nova Scotia, why would you still consider them? The BFG's have proven themselves so far on Winter, wet, and dry surfaces. Had no noise issues that I could detect.
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Thanks for the info. I am only considering them because I have X-ice xi2's on stock TL rims for the winter time. I would be running the all seasons from April to October only.
Thanks for the info. I am only considering them because I have X-ice xi2's on stock TL rims for the winter time. I would be running the all seasons from April to October only.
First part of next month they will be launching the A/S3 Plus. The refresh was focused solely on improving winter traction (which it definitely needs).
First part of next month they will be launching the A/S3 Plus. The refresh was focused solely on improving winter traction (which it definitely needs).
Well, well, well... Those Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 tires were worse than useless in any snow for my 2012 Focus. If there's any chance that that car could get caught in a dusting of snow, I just put my snow tires on, but frankly it seems more than silly - thanks, Michelin - to have to run snow tires from Oct 15 to May 15 when you have a set of nearly full tread-depth all-season tires.
I would like to thank tirerack.com, however, for posting some winter performance test results for some new all-season tires I'm considering for my 06 TSX. I want a tire with an XL load rating, which reduces my options, but the BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S looks good for my needs. On that new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3 PLUS, well, 100% better in the snow than ZERO would still be ZERO. Not to say, "I told you so," but I would really like to see next year's tirerack all-season winter results: I like to think the feedback could be helpful for consumers.
Well, well, well... Those Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 tires were worse than useless in any snow for my 2012 Focus. If there's any chance that that car could get caught in a dusting of snow, I just put my snow tires on, but frankly it seems more than silly - thanks, Michelin - to have to run snow tires from Oct 15 to May 15 when you have a set of nearly full tread-depth all-season tires.
You're in Toronto....You should be running winter tires from October to at least April anyway....
Everything about the A/S 3's were great except Winter traction. Since you're up in Nova Scotia, why would you still consider them? The BFG's have proven themselves so far on Winter, wet, and dry surfaces. Had no noise issues that I could detect.
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Also, I was pretty much sold on the BFG Comp 2 A/S's until I saw how the tread goes into the sidewall. They have great reviews both on AZ and on Tirerack, but to me they look like an aggressive truck tire (from the side.) Great looking tread from end on though
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DMZ do you happen to have any photos of the Comp-2 a/s's on your TL? Tire Rack is showing that they are a wider tread than many other brands for a given size.
I have an 06 Tsx I just purchased, original tires are worn and dry rotted. I am getting them replaced with stock size tires next week. I know they will be quiter because or the horrible condition of the tires currently on the car. I will report back on driving aspects of the tire. I am located in the northeast so I see all seasons.
I did not realize I was in the TL forum. Lead to thread from link on search for these tires on Tsxs. Apologies. I do not have delete capability as I just joined. thanks
I remember reading this thread shortly after I picked up my 2006 TL this last May. Why? When I picked the car up it had what looked like a fairly new set of BFGoodrich G-Force Comp-2 A/S tires on it; this thread (plus the reviews in TireRack) gave me some assurance I wouldn't need to yank the tires in favor of a more known entity like the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All-Seasons I put on our GTI a couple of years ago (they performed wonderfully in the snow on the GTI and I would expect nothing less on the TL). Well, about that...
This last Saturday we had our first snow of any significance and the G-Force Comp-2 tires scared the crap out of me; it was like driving my car on an ice skating rink covered with oil. The base of my driveway is near the top of a long shallow grade; when I got to the bottom of the grade I was moving along at about 30 mph, when I got to the top I was moving along at under 10 mph, and when I tried to slow for my driveway, the car just slid on past (apparently I was moving too slowly for the ABS to even engage).
When I went into the office yesterday morning one of my workmates, an individual with an Audi A4 Quattro Avant (which also runs 235/45 R17 tires), and who had a brand new set of these tires put on the car this last January, told me basically the same story.
Long story short, he and I are going to yank these crappy tires off our cars and throw them in the trash; they are utterly worthless in winter weather.
Last edited by horseshoez; 12-12-2017 at 07:50 PM.
I remember reading this thread shortly after I picked up my 2006 TL this last May. Why? When I picked the car up it had what looked like a fairly new set of BFGoodrich G-Force Comp-2 A/S tires on it; this thread (plus the reviews in TireRack) gave me some assurance I wouldn't need to yank the tires in favor of a more known entity like the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All-Seasons I put on our GTI a couple of years ago (they performed wonderfully in the snow on the GTI and I would expect nothing less on the TL). Well, about that...
This last Saturday we had our first snow of any significance and the G-Force Comp-2 tires scared the crap out of me; it was like driving my car on an ice skating rink covered with oil. The base of my driveway is near the top of a long shallow grade; when I got to the bottom of the grade I was moving along at about 30 mph, when I got to the top I was moving along at under 10 mph, and when I tried to slow for my driveway, the car just slid on past (apparently I was moving too slowly for the ABS to even engage).
When I went into the office yesterday morning one of my workmates, an individual with an Audi A4 Quattro Avant (which also runs 235/45 R17 tires), and who had a brand new set of these tires put on the car this last January, told me basically the same story.
Long story short, he and I are going to yank these crappy tires off our cars and throw them in the trash; they are utterly worthless in winter weather.
Go Conti. I'm on year 3 and still happy with the purchase.
Go Conti. I'm on year 3 and still happy with the purchase.
I had the Continental DWS tires on one car and Pirelli P7 Cinturatos on the other car; both were good, but I felt the Pirellis were just a bit better than the Contis. That said, both of these tires, even after several years of use, have performed FAR better then the BFGoodrich tires.
Just put a set of four 255/40r17 Goodyear eagle sport all season on mine today. After reading this thread, I looked into the bfgoodrich ones but the Goodyear had a $120 rebate if I used my Goodyear card.
We just got snow this morning but no real accumulation. Will see how they fare. Glad I didn't get the bfgoodrich.
Y'all need to drink the winter tire kool aid. All-seasons aren't going to be good in the winter and lack any real good grip in the summer. Winter tires will last about 4 to 5 season, well worth the investment, this will in turn allow your summers to last longer.
Tires are the most overlooked piece of automobiles. They are the four little patches that do all the work, make them count!
Y'all need to drink the winter tire kool aid. All-seasons aren't going to be good in the winter and lack any real good grip in the summer. Winter tires will last about 4 to 5 season, well worth the investment, this will in turn allow your summers to last longer.
Tires are the most overlooked piece of automobiles. They are the four little patches that do all the work, make them count!
Sorry, you're the one drinking the Kool-Aid; there are all season tires which perform wonderfully in pretty much all weather conditions.
horseshoez.....I know the engineer in you likes numbers and spreadsheets....you both are right...and you both are wrong. By the numbers, you can clearly see that the winter tires are superior to the A/S in snow and ice. However, by the numbers, you can see that there are some A/S that come close or at least excel over many of the other A/S tires.
Look at the MXM and DWS columns...that is base-lining the other tires against each of those to show a percentage of change. Green is showing improved performance while red shows reduced.
Look at the PZero.....looks like a rockstar until you get to ice performance. Also note that many winter tires trade dry and/or wet performance for snow and/or ice performance.
Thanks Jackass, Yeah, I really like your chart and have studied it on the occasions you've posted it.
At this point I'm going to hold off for a couple of weeks so I can get a read on if/how much of a bonus my company will be paying early next year. If there's a good bonus I'll probably buy a set of Michelin X-Ice or General Altimax Arctic 12 tires for my factory rims and then splurge on a nice set of Enkei PF01s and the Pirelli Cinturato P7 AS+ tires for them. If there's no bonus in the offing, then I'll probably just get the Cinturato P7s and keep my winter driving to a bare minimum.
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