Le7316

All,

I've read a few threads about these two coilovers but still confusing so hopefully someone can shed some lights on it .

For the H&R , it seems like I don't have any options here cause there is only one type for our TLs ( I have 07 Type S 6pd manual). Have to buy the tophats separately ?
For the TEIN, ok this is where I confused there are like 3 4 different types and im not really sure which one is which Flex Z > Street Advanced > Basic . Is this correct ? And also, looks like the Flex Z and the Advanced will come with the topmounts ?

For a guy like me no racing no track ( daily pretty much ) , which one do you pick in this situation ? I only need 1" inch drop or maybe 1.5" max since the S already lowered with the Spec suspensions ?

Thanks in advance .

VisualEchos

iTrader: (1)

I'm sure you'll get more responses, I'll just remind you to not forget about the spring rates. It appears that the companies that make suspensions for the TL think that a.) we want to race the car, or b.) we want to slam it. And for those of us that want NEITHER, it ends up translating to a car that rides like isht.

From the factory, the spring rates are probably 6F/2R, yet you're going to find 12F/6R is common with these after-market coil-overs. Of course, they are thoroughly enjoyed by the "I used to have a slammed Civic" crowd, but really no one else.

Don't take me wrong, I'm all for increased performance, but not at the expense of destroying the ride. So, just keep that in mind when you are making your decision.

BROlando

The Street Advance Z is probably the most street friendly system available overall. Soft ride, good range of damping, the best corrosion resistance out there, and the right amount of features for customization without getting overly complex.

The Street Advance Z does not come with upper mounts. You can order them that way at an extra cost from places like Heeltoe. I believe heeltoe will assemble stock upper mounts on to a set of SA-Z's that you buy from them, at your request.

Otherwise, you just re-use your stock upper mounts.

Every set of SA's I've installed has. either retained s large portion of the comfort from the stock ride quality...or have improved the comfort as compared to stock.

The H&R, and lots of other coilovers do not come with tophats. I assume that heeltoe can install the stock hats and hardware for you on those as well.

I'm not doubting that the quality of the H&R coilovers is top notch. And the shocks are made by Bilstein...so I would assume that the body control is much better than the Teins, which can be a little floaty. But there's no damping adjustment (not always a bad thing), and European setups can be a little hit or miss in terms of comfort. Not a lot of reviews out there on the H&R. The Teins are well liked by a lot of people on this board...so they're a safer bet. I have a suspicion that the H&R's are a hidden gem...but nobody uses them. The big downside to the H&R's is the zinc plating if you plan to use the car in road salt.

I would not recommend the Flex line for your purposes.

Le7316

Thank you for the quick response and looks like the SAZ is the way to go but I will wait for more inputs from our members here.

sockr1

iTrader: (5)

SAZ would be perfect for you. Save money and reuse your top hats, or save time and effort and pay for installed top hats.

Comfort will be almost the same as stock and the handling will be way better than stock!!

agree with Roland the flex is not meant for a plug and play person (I personally use and love the street flex, but took me a little bit to dial in the preload adjustment)

Le7316

Sockr1 I see you comment in another thread ... you work for Heeltoe ? I'm thinking to get a set from Heeltoe with the tophats assembly !!!

sockr1

iTrader: (5)

^ I do not work for heeltoe, but I've been around the forums a long time and have purchased from/met them before, good people!

Buying the tops hats preassembled would be worth it for you!

Mstsxxx

Im also thinking of getting Tein Street Flex for my 2013 TSX. I want a 2" drop. I just don't know what the best spring rates are for my car.
HELPPPPP.

BROlando

Why are you trying to customize rates?

Mstsxxx

I was told that if I lower my car, it matters the type of springs I get for my coilovers. Am I doing too much or should I just invest in the tein street flex coilovers and call it a day ?

BROlando

customization of springs only needs to be done for very specialized purposes...and the dampers then have to be valved to match.

Since you're just lowering the car, you don't need custom springs. Tein already supplies springs that match the car, shocks, and intended use of the coilover.

Street Flexes are a bit complex, though, to set up properly.

Street Advances will ride better if you can live with a 1.5" to just under 2" drop. And they're more simple to set up.

A 2" drop on a 2nd gen TSX is kind of at the cusp of where you need a full body coilover like the street flex. If you can live with a slightly less agressive drop, you can prevent a lot of headaches by just going with the more simple solution.

Weezy2390

I just ordered the flex z for my 08 tl type s. As i just read people seem to not like them? Im lookin to lower about 2 inch for no wheel gap on stock type s rims. But in the near future im gonna get some wide wheels nothing crazy. It seems like i gotta do alot of configuring i just wanna take them out the box lowering them and just install

i thought the flex z was a good set of coils, good dampering settings
i live in northern jersey and road arent the best, what would you guys recommend for dampering settings that you felt was best neutral

BROlando

Flex Z is a good coilover overall. But they take a little work on the setup for comfort. You'll also need to consider wheel travel limits, etc etc.

There isn't any coilover that can be taken out of the manufacturer box and installed, as far as I know. They all take a little bit of setup.

For a 2"+ drop, there aren't any good "simple" choices if you want to do this properly. Big drops just mean more complexity to get it correct.

Tein gives you instructions to get you started, though. So just assemble everything carefully, read the instructions, and install them using a good guide. You'll be fine. This site seems to be a good resource.

sockr1

iTrader: (5)

Weezy send me a PM and I can give you the details on what length to set your preload. I messed around with it a lot and believe I have it dialed in. If you go with tein settings it won't be preloaded enough. The coilovers are excellent though!!

Weezy2390

Ok i just messaged you, help me out

are these all able to be changed easily cause i no the rears have to have the seat removed so how would that work

Le7316

Good infos keep em coming.....

ExcelerateRep

TEIN coilovers are perfect for your daily driving applications! They find a perfect line between keeping driving comfortable, but letting you know you have a set of coilovers.

We've installed many sets, and have heard many positive things. There was a customer who called in looking for new coils a little while ago who had a 3G TL that was lowered on a set of TEINs for 11 years. They were starting to become clunkier and clunkier until he decided they needed to go. He was looking at other options (ksport, K&W, ect.), but after talking on the phone for a while we ended up setting him up with a new pair of Street Advances and everything was back to how it should be!

For the price we're convinced there's nothing better on the market!

Find them on our site here: TEIN - Excelerate's Honda & Acura Store - Japanese Performance Specialist

Feel free to send me a PM if you have any questions. Happy modding!

P.S.: We can get you top hats and bushings too, just ask!

Funmonkey

Have you heard of DGR coilovers? I bought DGR adjustable coilovers to lower the car. They were $959 on eBay and totally worth it, I'm not going to waste my time taking the old shocks apart. I lowered my car about 3 inches and the ride is AWESOME! It drives like a BMW, not bumpy at all just sporty feeling. They have adjustable dampening but I didn't adjust those and left them at their setting they came with. Also I have 20" rims and they don't rub. Look into them, I'm definitely happy with mine.