BlacuraTL-S

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my left rear camber is -1.8(out of specs)
the right rear is -.6(within specs)

everything else is ok...(toe is fine)

do i need a kit?

Jesstzn

Mine is like that but reverse and I have had no tire wear issues at all in 5 months

jbrow117

HEELTOE Automotive
27758 Santa Margarita Pkwy #132
Mission Viejo, CA 92691

Hmmm, great information so I even looked up the shop
I'd have my car done here but..... no franchises close to Michigan.
Thanks for all the info, you've made this thread what it is!

dragonlord

Where are you at? PM me and I can give you a possible source for a custom turbo install.

SPEEDYP

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I am -2 on both rear wheels.

I know -1 is within specs, so i'm guessing -2 is not bad... but I'm only guessing it is still double the amount of camber compared to -1.

my toe is good, was real bad before alignment which scrapped both my rear tires really fast. I hope this is fixed with the proper toe setting.

My question is :

Is there a golden number from which at that point you should or might consider a camber kit?

ifirahse

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I think firestone is the most incompetent (or laziest) alignment shop ever...

Go in there to get an alignment after installing my camber kit (lifetime alignment ftw), needless to say my camber is at -3 in the rear ...

I get my car back and my rears look exactly the same. The idiots only adjusted toe, saying they didn't know my camber was adjustable...

/rant

ifirahse

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I think anything below ~-1.5 you should get a camber kit.

ranger

A friend experienced unbelievable tire wear on his stock 2004 TL and had it inspected and aligned by a really skilled mechanic. The mechanic demonstrated that camber was out of spec on both front and rear and couldn't be fully compensated for. He made major improvements and stated that the body settles with age and suggested that my friend consider adjustable ball joints and links.

This is not the first time I heard this; the same thing occurred with my 1997 CL but not to the same extreme.

I have a 2006 TL - does anyone know if the suspension has been improved or will I be looking at the same kind of problem down the road?

Thanks,

Ranger

UW08TLS

Sorry for asking a question mrheeltoe or anyone else who can help me. but i read your article multiple times and am still unsure if i need a camber kit or not. when i got my alighnment done they gave me the spec sheet. the sheet said front left:-1.5 camber 2.9 caster toe 0.00 Front right:-1.4 camber 2.9 caster toe.01 Rear left:-2.4 camber -0.02 toe rear right: -2.4 camber -0.01 toe. I drive a 2008 tl type s Lowered on Tein SS coilovers lowered about 2 inches. the front doesnt look to bad but the rear does look like they go inward quite a bit. I got my alighnment done at an acura dealership if that helps. please help.

bored7one4

Mr toeheel can you name some good alignment in south orange county? address would help out alot. Also i plan to drop my car with tein s tech spring which is 1.2 inch drop with 235/30/20 real soon. My question is i just got an alignment done like 3 months ago at a local shop. Not sure if it was done correctly but my car does not go left anymore when i let go of the steering wheel.

UW08TLS

where did you get ur alignment done, acura dealer? local shop? you should ask them for an alignment spec sheet. that would help in determining if they did it right or not.

gkr-718

thanks great info i was waiting on putting my suspension because of this ....

ifirahse

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You definitely need a camber kit in the rear.

Take it to firestone and get the lifetime alignment so that everytime you raise/lower your car the alignment is free.

bored7one4

so lets say i got the alignment done correctly will i still need to get one when i lower the car.

UW08TLS

yes, everytime u lower or raise. do what ifirahse said go with the firestone lifetime alignment, sounds like a good deal if u plan on lowering and raising ur car a bunch.

Ka0tik

marcus installed my tein basics at stock length and he said it would be fined after alignment. My tires however did not get their full life due to the rear tires needing a camber kit.

ezland00

Hello, i have a question. Is camber kit=adjustable arm? or there are more parts to the kit?

Is this it?
Link

greco9885

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i heard that a negative camber is sometimes good to a certain extent, makes cornering alittle better and alittle more controllable. it was just interesting to hear that. obviously i know there will probably be tire wear issues, but is this true?

Rob RiL

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Companies like Firestone cannot correctly align cars that are lowered or lifted. The alignment computer used to read the measurements calibrates for stock ride height. I've never seen anything on the machines that you can use to compensate for, let's say, a 2" inch lowered suspension. It will base it on the base or stock height.

...I'm not sure how much it would really matter on such a small decrease in ride height. I know when I changed the suspension on my truck (4" front, 6.5-7" rear) Firestone refused to even attempt. Every shop I called said they can't do anything with lowered vehicles. I finally found a hole-in-the-wall shop to do it, and it helped for close to two years. But then it went out again and I started wearing inners on my front 20" tires.

NAiL05

It depends. Negative Camber will wear the tires but not as fast or as bad as toe. Toe is the main killer in tires. Some neg camber is good depending on what you use the car for. If you like to do some canyon carving or free spirited driving on the twisties the negative camber will help. If not your better off staying as close to stock spec as you can.

ifirahse

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I don't know about that. With the newer alignment machines, firestone can work on lowered cars easily. I know because I take my 2+ inch lowered car there once a month. The only problem they have with lowered cars is actually getting the car on the rack without scraping, which is something I've been turned away for before from a few lazy Firestones before finding what's probably one of the best in LA (encino). Just see if they'd be willing to put the car up on wood blocks if you're THAT low.

TLAdvanced

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I just dropped my car on Tein S-Techs and got it aligned today. I read Marucs' article and I am happy with toe as it is dead nuts perfect. The camber is further out than I expected with only lowering 1.5" in fact Camber is WAY out of specs.
LF -1.0 RF -1.3
LR -2.2 RR -2.5
Is this too far out? Any suggestions??

gerzand

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That's what my values looked like with a 1.2 inch drop (back in the day), and I DID experience pretty significant inside wear on my Cooper Zeon Sports tires within 10k miles. Get a rear camber kit. Front kits arent really necessary as you can see.

TLAdvanced

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You got the wear even with toe set to 0?

gerzand

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That would be correct. Toe has ALOT to do with eliminating uneven wear, but is not EVERYTHING that needs to be fixed to totally eliminate it. Severe enough camber will always wear the inside.

tl_dinhsum84

well i just dropped my car on the super cup kit and just got an alignment this is what i have now what do i need to do ?

please help i got some expensive tires !!

ballerjai

MrHeelToe,

You wrote,
I get how we should get a front camber through your post, but you also wrote on your website:
So, if I was to purchase a camber, do I need rear or front? I'm planning to drop 1.75-2 inches with the tein SS.

Thanks for your help.

Souljah

riiiight on

TLAdvanced

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I answered my own question I guess. 3K miles after lowering (Tein S-Tech) and having alignment done (toe set to zero) the inside of my rear tires are 4/32" and the outside are 7/32". I guess I learned my lesson so I just ordered a rear camber kit...

elusive_tl

marcus, amazing information i was really worried when i got my skunk2 springs today about needing a camber kit...so with a 2" drop infront and 1.8" in the back a good alignment will do just fine?

gerzand

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Yeah man, i wasn't kidding. hehe :rollin:

slipkord

New to the fourm here..

I've got the Neuspeed Supercup kit as well and Ingalls rear camber and Firestone had aligned my car 4 times in two weeks. Finally they found out that my front right camber is -1.2 degrees. Basically I hit a huge pothole and threw my camber off. Only way to fix is to buy a front camber kit I would imagine. Since my front left camber is in spec would it be feasable to just buy camber kit for the front right? My rear camber is at -1 which is in spec, it was around -2.5 before, the outside tread wasnt even touching the road, I like my new $500 tires and don't want to chew them up so quickly.

tl_dinhsum84

so how can you tell if they did a good job or not?????????????

BRIANxJDM

what brand of camber kit is there for the tl?

ZhenyaF

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My car isn't lowered and I'm running RJ Legends 19X8 with 235/35/19 tires.
My friend was driving behind me the other day and told me it looks like I need a camber kit - do I?

odishaw

is it true you can use skunk 2 TSX front camber kit.

otherwise what is the best recommended front and rear camber kits for 06 TL

Thanks

Matt HKD

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I second this motion

moeronn

I know this thread is about camber, but toe angle is a big part of the tech article, so I have a question about toe angle.

My '04 TL was T-boned several years ago and apparently not repaired well enough. I now have uneven and substantial tire wear on the LR tire due to toe angle being out of spec even after maximum adjustments. What would I need to have installed to allow more adjustments to the toe angle to get it back into spec? Thanks!

2Morrow

Good $hit

eluzion

This thread went from "you really don't need a camber kit" to "if your camber is more than -1.5, you need one". What's the consensus?

I went through a new set of rear tires in about 10k miles due to extremely bad wear on the insides. I had the car aligned after I found this out to find the rear toe out of spec (I had it aligned when the tires were put on but apparently some Les Scwabs are retarded). My rear camber is -2.0 and -2.3, but I'm not sure if this will cause extremely premature wear on the tires or if it was primarily the out of spec toe causing it. My front tires looked practically new with -1.2 camber.

Are any of you running roughly a -2.0 rear camber? If so, what kind of tire wear are you seeing?