StealthTL-S

My TL-S has the Aspec kit , so the Aspec OEM suspension. I love the car, but recently the rear tires needed to be replaced because they were cupped. I could hear the road noise while driving, and knew something was up. I then got my car aligned at the Honda Dealer. The rear camber was -3.0 and -2.7 and the mechanic told me he could not adjust the camber, he said they do not adjust. I could not believe my OEM Aspec suspension has problems. He says I need to get SPC adjustable control arms (rear upper), so he can adjust the rear camber. They were asking if I had lots of stuff in the trunk weighing it done, I said no.

Are the rear control arms the same as a SPC rear Camber Kit?

I searched and found the failing of the 04-08 camber bushings, but am not sure if this is the same thing. I also searched the SPC rear camber kit. Please refer to another thread if this is covered all the time. I just wasn't sure if the rear upper control arms he wants to get are the same as an SPC Camber kit.
Thanks.

justnspace

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if the rubber bushings are failing and giving lots of play......

it doesnt matter if its oem or aftermarket or what have you...if rubber bushings give way to play, you'll be out of spec.

whats more important is toe....
toe is what causes tire cupping

justnspace

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if you could post your alignment specs here, that would be great!

StealthTL-S

Toe Adjustments out of Alignment
Rear Camber is - 3.0 and -2.7 in the Red
128,000 miles on my 08 TL-S
I saw some SPC rear control arms on here for $100.00, but they are SOLD!


Thanks man.

justnspace

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but im saying; you might not need the camber kit.....

adjust toe, because toe is what causes tire wear.
then look at bushings or other suspension components for wear.

if totally cannot find worn suspension components, and really really want the camber to be in spec, then buy the camber arms.
I use natural camber, and my camber falls JUST outside of spec, but it does NOT cause tire wear.
my right rear tire is at -2 camber, naturally.
my left rear tire is in spec at -1.7

and alignment guys asked if i wanted camber kit, I declined as its fine

StealthTL-S

The mechanic said he could not adjust the toe because my control arms don't adjust (he showed me). Said I need the SPC control arms that adjust.

Are the camber arms the same as a Camber Kit?

Oh Sickest TL

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the spc will only adjust your rear camber. Camber typically does not shred tires like that but toe does. On non lowered cars without camber kits camber is never usually adjusted but toe can be adjusted.

-3.0 on OEM suspension is crazy, you can't see that your wheels are visually tilted? Your shit must be worn very badly or you've been banging 300 lbs chicks for months in the back seat lol....Im running -3 on my TL but I'm slammed lol

Youll likely need to get toe arms to fix your toe issue as well. You can go OEM or get Ingalls kit for the toe

TacoBello

your car has much bigger issues. Not really sure what they are, though.

being on the A-Spec suspension should not cause your toe to go out. You're right, it's not factory adjustable... Because it isn't normally necessary, even if slightly lowered on A-Spec suspension. You think Acura would sell a car that has unadjustable toe issues from the factory?

you can buy the adjustment kit, but it really is a bandaid solution, as again, your toe should not be out.

there are no bushings out back... I'd be surprised if your front bushings were failing so bad as to cause your rear tires to have issues. If that was the case, your front tires would be completely messed.

me thinks there is something else entirely going on that your mechanic missed.

justnspace

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^toe is adjustable from the factory.
his is seized and the mechanic will have to cut it out

justnspace

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quoting for the truth, because Jeff has it spot on

Oh Sickest TL

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Are you trolling or serious? lol

TacoBello

I should clarify- there aren't any bushings out back known to fail. I've yet to see anyone over the last 2 years have issues with rear bushings on here.

TacoBello

i am full retard this morning

please just ignore everything I've said today.

Oh Sickest TL

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my toe arm bushings when I ripped my whole suspension out for coils and camber kits etc were very degraded, had to cut those bitches right out. OP you need to inspect all of those rear components and replace as necessary

Oh Sickest TL

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StealthTL-S

I'll look for the toe arms, OEM is very expensive at the dealer, I will look at Ingalls. The mechanic suggested eibach or SPC control arms.

Oh Sickest TL

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judging by your first posts the mechanic doesn't even really know what he's doing. If your car is sagging with OEM suspension to the point where your camber is -3.0 then you have other issues IMO. Factory spec is -1 to 0.

The only time you should NEED rear camber kit is if you are lowering/slamming the car and need to run a lot of neg camber to fit aggressive offset wheels or you are just anal and want each side to be exactly the same. Otherwise natural camber when lowering is usually fine. But A-spec suspension should not put you anywhere near -3

Your toe arms are likely shot and will need to be replaced by either the ingalls kit or oem hardware.

thoiboi

128K miles on the TL but how many miles on the A Spec suspension?

Oh Sickest TL

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I'm thinking your whole suspension is shot if its causing the camber to do that at stock height

TacoBello

That's kind of what I was trying to get at. In a very stupid, drawn out and unclear sort of way.

It seems something else is fucked to cause the wheels to camber that much. Hell, I'm on a-spec struts paired with lowering springs and my camber is half of that, at the very worst and I'm sitting a bit lower than OP.

Oh Sickest TL

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lets see a side shot of your unit adam. I didnt know you were lowered. OEM wheels?

thoiboi

failing shocks will lead to negative camber, hence my question about mileage.

Oh Sickest TL

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blown shocks = hella sunk

TacoBello

Naw I'm not one to post my car much. Nothing special.

I use my oem 17s for winter. For summer I have 18s. Shouldn't make a difference though, as the overall wheel diameter is still within like 3% or less.

Im not lowered that much. More of a function over form setup. A bit lower, but I'm more interested in hauling ass through a corner instead of looking good. I also have no camber correction stuff on the car. No need. My tires still wear evenly, even with the RE-11A tires (yes, I realize that is more of a toe issue, but I don't have that either)

thoiboi

blowing shocks = somewhat sunk?

Oh Sickest TL

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right on man didnt even really know this lol...

StealthTL-S

128,000 on stock A spec suspension , been on since the beginning. I already ordered the SPC upper control arms from excellerate. I hope it is not my shocks!!

thoiboi

OH so they came stock on the car.. My apologies for not understanding that..


Hate to break it to ya bud but it MAY be.. Camber kit will help if they aren't leaking though!!

ExcelerateRep

The more info you gave us the more it seems your shocks have given up on their job. I would for sure have that looked at. Here are some shock options if it in fact is the case.


Suspension » Shocks / Struts Products for: 2008 ACURA TL TYPE-S 6Cyl 3.5L - Excelerate's Honda & Acura Store - Japanese Performance Specialist

truonghthe

check to see if your shocks is shot, the OEM (Type S) replacement is pretty cheap like $300 for the rear assembly set and about the same for the front set.

StealthTL-S

I spoke to the mechanic again that checked my alignment. I trust him, he is very knowledgeable and he has done lots of work for me. He says my shocks are good. I ordered the upper control arms from Excelerate, and hope that fixes the problem. My alignment from the dealer is attached.

Oh Sickest TL

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man your front camber is extreme for OEM height and suspension as well IMO. Those are basically my specs and my car is pretty low

Your car is sagging badly.

StealthTL-S

We will put the control arms on this week and then align it, and see the results. Man, my car is slammed with me only wanting an Aspec 1.2 inch drop.

nfnsquared

Factory spec is -0.5 to -1.5...

Don't adjust or they are frozen? The OEM toe arms certainly do adjust. And they aren't very expensive online. Cutting them out is a bit inconvenient, but can be done relatively easy with a cut off wheel. Do a search, there is a thread where a few of us have done this.

For some reason I can't open your pdf attachment. Toe does cause cupping, but out of spec toe is exacerbated by out of spec negative camber. The SPC camber arms are great!

StealthTL-S

I hope this is not the case, but it may be. I had an accident where I ran up on a median (no cars involved), going pretty fast. Blew a tire out, and bent several of my wheels, had to get new oem wheels, and a new tire. The wheels were all bent. I have to believe this may have affected my suspension.

cokorote

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If your aspec suspension have 128K then its time to replace. They tend to wear out faster especially on the rear. I replaced my aspec suspension at 78K and solved the rear cupping issue.

Oh Sickest TL

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I think you got your answer

nfnsquared

Doh, now you tell us.....

thoiboi

StealthTL-S

Well, I was not proud of it, it was actually the curbing I ran up on at a high rate of speed. I'm going to another place to get the suspension looked at before I get a whole new A spec suspension.